How To Avoid Overscheduling Anxiety

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A few months ago I posted a summary of a trip we took in early November:

http://www.disboards.com/threads/spontaneity-is-not-dead-a-barebones-trip-report.3359156/

There I listed my suggestions for keeping a trip somewhat spontaneous.

Our trip last week (arrival on Saturday, April 4 and departure on Saturday, April 11) only reinforced my opinion about those suggestions. Last week there were several days that Touring Plans listed as crowd level 10 in each of the 4 parks. Yet, by following the general approach of arriving early and making FP reservations later in the day, we were able to do all of our favorite attractions (most of them multiple times) with a lot of time in the middle of the day for shows, character greetings, and taking breaks from the crowded parks. Because the weather was hotter than normal for early April, we also were able to avoid the hot sun in the middle of the day while taking advantage of the great, more comfortable weather in the early mornings and evenings. The boat rides between the MK and our "home" at the Wilderness Lodge Villas were one of our favorite afternoon attractions.

On this trip, unlike the one in November, we were able to use newly purchased DVC annual passes to make our FP reservations 60 days in advance of arrival, and those came in very handy throughout the trip.

To summarize, my general suggestions are:

1. Don't make too many ADR's unless eating at specific restaurants is a priority for you. We only had 2 ADR's, a lunch at Liberty Tree Tavern on Easter Sunday and a dinner at BOG on Thursday.

2. Make FP+ reservations later in the day. That way those FPs will not dictate what you do earlier in the day. Also, this avoids any concerns about kiosk lines and SDFP availability. We decided ahead of time that we weren't going to be trying for 4th FPs.

3. Related to number 2, get hopper tickets. The flexibility they provide lets you decide the night before or morning of where to start the day. If there is something specific you want to do, you can go to any of the parks, or sleep in a little, without giving up your FPs.

4. See those FP reservations as opportunities, not mandates. If you miss some, or have to change them, it isn't the end of the world. It's better to do what you feel like doing at the time than feeling obligated to make an appointment.

In our case, we ended up using all 15 of our originally scheduled FPs on the 5 full days that we spent at WDW. It helped that there were no weather or other issues that caused us to make major changes to our general plan.

On our arrival day, we used 2 of the 3 FPs we scheduled, but when the time came we opted for something to eat instead of Mission Space (which one of my 2 adult daughters that was with me on this trip doesn't do anyway). On Wednesday, my daughters spent the day at Universal to see the Harry Potter stuff; we had FPs for Epcot that night, but when they got back around 5:30 they opted for Downtown Disney instead, so we cancelled those FPs. On our departure Saturday, we originally made FP+ reservations for the MK but, since we spent a lot of time at MK during the week, and did everything we wanted, we decided to go to Epcot instead to get one last look at the F&G displays and do a few attractions that we didn't do earlier in the week. The night before our FP selections were somewhat limited because we had to leave by 2:30 to get back to catch the DME to the airport. Both Soarin and Test Track were available, but only for times after 4 PM. Mission Space was unavailable, though that ended up being a non issue because when we arrived at the park at 10 AM after checking our bags at the resort, the ride was a walk on. We made FP reservations for LWTL, Figment, and Turtle Talk and ended up using 2 of them.

Anyway, with this general strategy, here is the roundup of what we were able to do with respect to our favorite attractions (this counts the attractions I did alone from 7:30- 10 AM on the day my daughters went to Universal):

MK

BTMRR x4 (3 SB, 1 FP+)
7DMT x3 (1 SB, 2 FP+)
Space x3 (2 SB, 1 FP+)
HM x3 (all SB)
JC x2 (both SB)
POC x2 (both SB)
PP x2 (both SB)
Buzz x2 (both SB)
Splash x2 (both SB) (Would have been 3, but ride broke down as we were about to ride it on Friday morning)

We also used FPs at MK for Anna and Elsa and Wishes and, thanks to my obsessed daughters, we saw the Festival of Fantasy parade 3 times. Throw in standby rides on a number of the lesser attractions and a number of character greetings and we covered a lot of ground at our favorite park.

DHS

TOT x3 (1 SB, 2 FP+)
TSMM x2 (1 SB, 1 FP+)
RNRC x2 (1 SR, 1 FP+)
ST x2 (1 SB, 1 FP+)
GMR x1 (SB)

We also used a FP for the Frozen Sing along.

DAK

KS x3 (1 SB, 1 FP+, 1 FP received when EE broke down when we were 2 cars from boarding)
EE x2 (1 SR, 1 FP+)
Dino x1 (SB)
FOTLK x1 (FP+)
We did not do Kali because we didn't want to get that wet.

Epcot

Soarin x2 (1 SB, 1 FP+)
TT x2 (both SR)
MS x1 (SB)
SE x1 (FP+)

A great time was had by all.

 
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My advice go with the flow...your only going the scheduled things to which you enjoy! Keep thinking of it as things your looking forward to...I'm sure your going to have the best time ever!
 
Thanks for some really good tips. I like #3 the best. So many people seem to think that you can't park hop effectively anymore but we think it's even more useful than ever. We're definitely following the advice for fewer adr's. They're time eaters.

Sounds like your tips worked for you very well, hopefully others can learn from your experiences.
 
Definitely agree with #4. I changed our FP+ times/attractions several times during our trip last year. Unless it was a very hard to get FP, like Anna & Elsa or 7DMT, changing them if we needed/wanted to was never a problem.

I'm excited to try park hopping with FP+ this year. I think it's especially helpful for the parks with tiering; for example, we're visiting Epcot on 2 separate days (one full day and one evening for dinner/Illuminations) so we'll get FP+ for Test Track on one day and Soarin' on the other.

We do like our ADRs though - woohoo, free dining! ;)
 

We do like our ADRs though - woohoo, free dining! ;)

If you do have ADR's, FP+ works well because you can schedule your FPs around them.

For example, we had a reservation at 5:35 PM at BOG on Thursday night. That day, after spending the morning and early afternoon at DAK, we arrived at MK in time to watch the afternoon FOF parade from the train station (comfortably in the shade). Then before dinner we saw Philharmagic, used a FP for 7DMT, and got pictures with circus Goofy and Donald. After dinner and our picture with the Beast, we used a FP to meet Anna and Elsa, browsed through a couple of shops, and then used our FP to enter the Wishes viewing area to relax sitting on the "grass" until Celebrate the Magic and Wishes started. Made for a very relaxing evening and an excellent dinner.
 
You pretty much listed how we plan to use FP+ when we finally give it our first try next year.
 
2. Make FP+ reservations later in the day. That way those FPs will not dictate what you do earlier in the day. Also, this avoids any concerns about kiosk lines and SDFP availability. we decided ahead of time that we weren't going to be trying for 4th FPs.

I could not agree with this more. We've had two trips with "full blown FP+" without the legacy FP system as a backup. Our first was in August 2014. Now, it was dead at the parks and the 4th FP+s were plentiful, but also the SB lines were short. That trip didn't feel stressful at all. Our second was in December 2014. Crowds were moderate to high moderate, but seemingly much higher than August (because it was so dead then). I tried to use our August FP+ strategy--i.e., use the FP+s by early afternoon and pull the 4th+ for evening rides--and it did not work, because in December all the "good" FP+s were taken or the ones available were for really far in the future. It was really, really frustrating to have all afternoon to kill without a FP+ to use because we'd used them all in the morning so that we could book the 4th. Lesson learned: the best FP+ strategy to have is to assume 3 is all you'll get, and anything more is a bonus.
 
If you do have ADR's, FP+ works well because you can schedule your FPs around them.

For example, we had a reservation at 5:35 PM at BOG on Thursday night. That day, after spending the morning and early afternoon at DAK, we arrived at MK in time to watch the afternoon FOF parade from the train station (comfortably in the shade). Then before dinner we saw Philharmagic, used a FP for 7DMT, and got pictures with circus Goofy and Donald. After dinner and our picture with the Beast, we used a FP to meet Anna and Elsa, browsed through a couple of shops, and then used our FP to enter the Wishes viewing area to relax sitting on the "grass" until Celebrate the Magic and Wishes started. Made for a very relaxing evening and an excellent dinner.
Yup, this is my plan almost exactly for our last night. FP+ for Anna & Elsa, do Enchanted Tales with Belle, 6:10 dinner at BOG, FP+ for a last ride on 7DMT, then FP+ for the first MSEP. If I can't get the A&E FP, I'll do either ETwB or Space Mountain.

We also like to do TS lunches. We'll hit rope drop, tour in the morning, have a nice sit-down lunch in the A/C, then go back to the hotel for nap/swim. Then we can go back to a park for the evening and make it through the nighttime entertainment.

I think another key to a more relaxing trip is to accept from the beginning that it's not possible to see everything in one visit. Choose your few "must-do" attractions, make those a priority, and then if you miss something that's not on your must-do list, just let it go. FP+ is also great for this because you can book those must-do rides in advance. Prioritize what's most important to you, and everything else is a bonus.
 
1. Don't make too many ADR's unless eating at specific restaurants is a priority for you.

I would strongly advise the opposite. ADRs are absolutely essential, IMO, unless you don't mind eating at CS restaurants on some nights.
 
Our trip in August will be out first trip using FP+. What you pointed out is how we are using our FP+.

Morning park, midday break, PM park with FP+

We have also cut down our ADR's. We used to do one everyday. Next trip of 11 days I have 6. Basically an ADR everyday for the first half of our trip and then nothing the second half.
 
I would strongly advise the opposite. ADRs are absolutely essential, IMO, unless you don't mind eating at CS restaurants on some nights.

If you don't mind leaving the parks you can definitely find some good TS options in the resorts.

Some places I'm thinking we may make as we go if we want are Via Napoli, Trail End's, Beaches and Cream, Yachtsman, Kona. I check the app often and they seem to have a lot of same day openings. I wouldn't walk up. I would check the app and make the ADR an hour or so ahead of time.
 
If you don't mind leaving the parks you can definitely find some good TS options in the resorts.

Some places I'm thinking we may make as we go if we want are Via Napoli, Trail End's, Beaches and Cream, Yachtsman, Kona. I check the app often and they seem to have a lot of same day openings. I wouldn't walk up. I would check the app and make the ADR an hour or so ahead of time.

Wow, I COMPLETELY overlooked that aspect. You are correct. Maya Grill is another. It was pretty much dead when we ate their last year.

Thanks for the correction!
 
Thank you for your post! I was getting really stressed about having to plan everything down to the minute it seems … this is my first trip to Disney since Fastpass Plus system was fully integrated
 
Honest question - how much time was spent in each park?

I appreciate you listing what you got done overall in each park, but (at least for me), adding the context of over what amount of time it was done is helpful. We usually only get 4 park days, and the split usually ends up being 2 days to MK, 1 to epcot, 1/2 each to DHS and AK. for example, what you list for epcot we have previously done in that 1 day. It sounds like you were there on 2 different days...were they 1/2 days (so 1 day total also), or was it more time than that? Same with MK and DHS.

Being limited to 4 days makes us need to make the absolute most of those days. The timing would help put into perspective what we could realistically do in 4 days.
 
I would strongly advise the opposite. ADRs are absolutely essential, IMO, unless you don't mind eating at CS restaurants on some nights.

I think this is a fundamental difference in approach that a lot of people have.

We have never eaten too many meals at table service restaurants at WDW because, for our tastes, they require a lot of time, a lot of money, a lot of food, and too much advance planning about where to be and what to eat at a given time on a given day.
 
We like to do TS breakfast and then have the rest of the day to do what we want. We are not rope drop people though.
 
Honest question - how much time was spent in each park?

I appreciate you listing what you got done overall in each park, but (at least for me), adding the context of over what amount of time it was done is helpful. We usually only get 4 park days, and the split usually ends up being 2 days to MK, 1 to epcot, 1/2 each to DHS and AK. for example, what you list for epcot we have previously done in that 1 day. It sounds like you were there on 2 different days...were they 1/2 days (so 1 day total also), or was it more time than that? Same with MK and DHS.

Being limited to 4 days makes us need to make the absolute most of those days. The timing would help put into perspective what we could realistically do in 4 days.

I'll try to answer your question without turning this into a full blown trip report, which is not my intention. I am really just trying to make the point that one can accomplish a lot even on very busy days without feeling overscheduled.

We have also had a lot of trips over the years with only 4 full park days, and we approach those somewhat differently, especially if they are at less crowded times of the year. Keep in mind that there were several crowd level 10 days last week, and that inevitably means fewer attractions per hour, especially in the middle of the day.

Here is a rough breakdown of how we spent those days:

Arrival Saturday- Arrived at Epcot at 4:30 PM after checking into WL villas. Left at about 8.

Easter Sunday- Arrived at MK at 6:30 for AM EMH. Did all rides there before 11 AM lunch at LTT. Left MK after noon FOF parade. Arrived at DAK about 1:30 PM and left there about 6:30 PM.

Monday- Arrived at DHS for 8 AM opening. Left after LMA show at about 2 PM and returned to WL for a break. Took boat to MK and arrived about 4:30. Left MK about 8.

Tuesday- Left WL at 7 AM for AM EMH at Epcot. Due to bus issues that I described in another thread, we didn't arrive at Epcot until almost 8. Spent 3 hours in FW doing some rides and viewing F&G displays, then went to WS for lunch. Left Epcot at about 1:30 and returned to WL. Went to DHS at 4:30 to use FPs (Frozen, TSMM, and TOT) then walked to Boardwalk for something to eat and to watch some of the sidewalk shows. Left Boardwalk to return to WL around 8:30.

Wednesday- daughters went to Universal. I spent from about 7:30-10:30 at MK and then left for lunch at Poly and an afternoon of relaxing at WL. Spent evening at DTD after daughters returned.

Thursday- DAK from 8 AM until about 1. Returned to WL. When we got there, daughters decided they wanted to see FOF again, so I tagged along. That was the night of our dinner at BOG that I described above.

Friday- 7 AM EMH at MK. Left there after FOF parade for lunch at Poly, then returned to WL. Went to DHS at about 4:30 to use FPs and see 8:30 Fantasmic; left DHS after show.

Departure Saturday- Epcot from 10 AM-2:30 PM before returning to WL to get DME.

So, I didn't count up the hours, but you get the idea. Almost all of the riding we did came before 11 AM or later in the day with FPs. The middles of the days were for breaks, shows, lunch, character greetings, etc. You will see that we NEVER were in a park after a night show. That is our tradeoff for our early mornings. My normal schedule these days is to go to bed around 11 and get up around 6, so staying at parks until midnight or 1 AM simply isn't going to work for us. Someone who has the stamina to be at the parks from 7 or 8 AM until closing could certainly do a lot more riding than we did. But that kind of schedule would be more of a death march than a vacation for me.

I hope this answers your question.
 
I find the Mission Space observation interesting. It was sort of a throwaway FP+ at a morning in Epcot for us. Spaceship Earth was the other bogus one. We did TT at RD. We were going to do Soarin' SB after TT, but the posted wait was already 40 min. I suspect it was may 10 or 20 in reality. We did MS instead. Posted wait was 20 min, and everyone, SB and FP+, was walking on. My point is that I think people are getting MS and SE just because they have to get 3 FP+, and there's not much else for FP+ at Epcot. I think people really just end up doing them when they want or not all. Otherwise, why would they all be gone, especially if we are walking right in. Epcot needs more rides and needs to get rid of tiering.

Thanks for posting your experiences.
 
I think this is a fundamental difference in approach that a lot of people have (regarding TS or CS restaurants).

We have never eaten too many meals at table service restaurants at WDW because, for our tastes, they require a lot of time, a lot of money, a lot of food, and too much advance planning about where to be and what to eat at a given time on a given day.

I agree with the OP - we usually only schedule a TS ADR about every other day. We don't like being tied to a schedule, and as Wisblue points out, TS meals are time consuming and expensive. I think there are plenty of good CS options at most of the parks (except DHS!), so we usually just go with the flow with CS food, with a couple of ADRs thrown in throughout the week.
 
Of course all of this depends on how busy the parks are. Just like in the past.

As for hopping, we found it pretty useless if you wanted to ride things later in the day anywhere besides MK. We would make out FP+ for midday so we could use rope drop and also hopefully find more FP+ later on. It didn't work well at the other parks. However it is pretty nice at MK which has so much capacity and also at Epcot if you just want to hang out in World Showcase.
 


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