How sad

"Officials: Army suicides at 3-decade high
By PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writer Pauline Jelinek, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 17 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Suicides among U.S. soldiers rose last year to the highest level in decades, the Army announced Thursday. At least 128 soldiers killed themselves in 2008. But the final count is likely to be considerably higher because 15 more suspicious deaths are still being investigated and could also turn out to be self-inflicted, the Army said.

A new training and prevention effort will start next week. And Col. Elspeth Ritchie, a psychiatric consultant to the Army surgeon general, made a plea for more U.S. mental health professionals to sign on to work for the military.

"We are hiring and we need your help," she said.

The new suicide figure compares with 115 in 2007 and 102 in 2006 and is the highest since record keeping began in 1980. Officials calculate the deaths at a rate of roughly 20.2 per 100,000 soldiers — which is higher than the adjusted civilian rate for the first time since the Vietnam War, officials told a Pentagon news conference.

"We need to move quickly to do everything we can to reverse this disturbing ... number," Army Vice Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Chiarelli said.

Officials have said that troops are under tremendous and unprecedented stress because of repeated and long tours of duty due to the simultaneous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The stress has placed further burdens on an overwhelmed military health care system also trying to tend to huge numbers of troops suffering from post-traumatic stress, depression and other mental health problems as well as physical wounds and injuries of tens of thousands.

Yearly increases in suicides have been recorded since 2004, when there were 64 — only about half the number now. And they've occurred despite increased training, prevention programs and psychiatric staff.

When studying individual cases, officials said they found that the most common factors for suicides were soldiers suffering problems with their personal relationships, legal or financial issues and problems on the job.

The statistics released Thursday cover soldiers who killed themselves while they were on active duty — including National Guard and Reserve troops who had been activated.

The previous year's rate of suicides — 18.8 per 100,000 soldiers — had also been the highest on record. But the new pace of 20.2 per 100,000 was the first time the rate surpassed the civilian number, when adjusted to reflect the Army's younger and male-heavy demographics.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the suicide rate for U.S. society overall was about 11 per 100,000 in 2004, the latest year for which the agency has figures. But the Army says the civilian rate is more like 19.5 per 100,000 when adjusted.

The new estimated rate of 20.2 is more than double the 9.8 in 2002 — the first full year after the start of the war in Afghanistan

The new Army statistics follow a report earlier this month showing that the Marine Corps recorded more suicides last year than any year since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

That report said 41 Marines were possible or confirmed suicides in 2008, or 16.8 per 100,000 troops. The Marine rate remained unchanged from the previous year.

Marine and Army units have borne most of duty in the two wars, which have required more use of ground forces to fight the insurgencies.

The numbers kept by the service branches don't show the whole picture of war-related suicides because they don't include deaths after people have left the military. The Department of Veterans Affairs tracks those numbers and says there were 144 suicides among the nearly 500,000 service members who left the military from 2002-2005 after fighting in at least one of the two ongoing wars.

The true incidence of suicide among military veterans is not known, according to a report last year by the Congressional Research Service. Based on numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the VA estimates that 18 veterans a day — or 6,500 a year — take their lives, but that number includes vets from all previous wars.

"The suicide numbers released today come as no surprise to the veterans' community who has experienced the psychological toll of war," said Paul Rieckhoff, director of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. "But we cannot let current trend lines continue. These are preventable deaths for which the Department of Defense and the VA can and must take bold action"





my husband talked with a CO and got my BIL some help although he didn't want it, when he came back he wasn't himself. He did thank him later. He is still very traumatized...
 
I work on an adult psych unit and cannot remember the last time we did not have a member of the military as a patient. :sad1: And no, I do not work for the VA or a military hospital.
 
Officials have said that troops are under tremendous and unprecedented stress because of repeated and long tours of duty due to the simultaneous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The stress has placed further burdens on an overwhelmed military health care system also trying to tend to huge numbers of troops suffering from post-traumatic stress, depression and other mental health problems as well as physical wounds and injuries of tens of thousands.


The new Army statistics follow a report earlier this month showing that the Marine Corps recorded more suicides last year than any year since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

That report said 41 Marines were possible or confirmed suicides in 2008, or 16.8 per 100,000 troops. The Marine rate remained unchanged from the previous year.

Marine and Army units have borne most of duty in the two wars, which have required more use of ground forces to fight the insurgencies.



The true incidence of suicide among military veterans is not known, according to a report last year by the Congressional Research Service. Based on numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the VA estimates that 18 veterans a day — or 6,500 a year — take their lives, but that number includes vets from all previous wars.

"The suicide numbers released today come as no surprise to the veterans' community who has experienced the psychological toll of war," said Paul Rieckhoff, director of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. "But we cannot let current trend lines continue. These are preventable deaths for which the Department of Defense and the VA can and must take bold action





my husband talked with a CO and got my BIL some help although he didn't want it, when he came back he wasn't himself. He did thank him later. He is still very traumatized...


The part I bolded?

DH was in one of those units that were there in March 03. Wikipedia says, of his group, "They were involved from the first night."

And he went back two more times after that. :sad2:
He was set to be deployed a fourth time, for three months until his date of discharge, but by some grace of God... they transferred him to another unit and he got to stay on base in California until he was discharged in 06/06.


I hope that every other Veteran has someone that pushes them to get the help they need. :grouphug:
 
I work on an adult psych unit and cannot remember the last time we did not have a member of the military as a patient. :sad1: And no, I do not work for the VA or a military hospital.

Thanks for what you do. I know it's gotta be difficult, but so important! :blush: :flower3:
 

That's terrible. It's also sick that people think this is the place to make jokes. My family has been in the military my entire life, and we are very lucky so far that we have not had to deal with this aspect of it- but others are not so fortunate. Not only can it be hard to get a proper diagnosis, there is also the issue of the "tough guy" image that some in the military feel they need to maintain. (Note I said some and not all). It can be very hard for somebody to accept that they have a mental illness and to be willing to seek out the help they need. The military culture only compounds that in some ways.

Hopefully they will figure out better ways to help the returning veterans readjust to civilian life and will have better mental health care for veterans. These wonderful men and women risk life and limb for our country every day, it's the least we can do. Thank you to all the veterans and families of veterans who posted on this thread.
 
Sadly, the military also fails in terms of physical health issues. So many of our military officers are afraid of being excluded from serving in their given capacity that they hide or self-treat physical issues rather than seeing military doctors.

Pilots are particularly notorious for fudging physicals, hiding stomach and other pain issues, and bending the rules to pass endurance tests so they won't be grounded.
 
That's terrible. It's also sick that people think this is the place to make jokes. My family has been in the military my entire life, and we are very lucky so far that we have not had to deal with this aspect of it- but others are not so fortunate. Not only can it be hard to get a proper diagnosis, there is also the issue of the "tough guy" image that some in the military feel they need to maintain. (Note I said some and not all). It can be very hard for somebody to accept that they have a mental illness and to be willing to seek out the help they need. The military culture only compounds that in some ways.

Hopefully they will figure out better ways to help the returning veterans readjust to civilian life and will have better mental health care for veterans. These wonderful men and women risk life and limb for our country every day, it's the least we can do. Thank you to all the veterans and families of veterans who posted on this thread.


I know I'm all over this thread, but I couldn't have said this better myself.

This one of DH's biggest issues. Before I was pregnant, he just thought he could stop having "attacks" himself.
I knew he couldn't. I talked to the Air Force Vet down the road (He's a friend, a few years older than DH) and he sat him down and basically said "Brother. You can't get over this by yourself. I tried. I lost my wife. I don't see my kids. You can't do it on your own."

It still took MONTHS of pushing DH... and finally, when I got pregnant, I looked at him and said I wasn't taking the risk. He got help or I left. I'd been trying for a long time, but a baby was the final draw....

Within a few months the VA had put him in an OIF/OEF support group with several other Vets (no counselors) who just talked to each other about their experiences.

Those few hours did so much more for him than all the therapy I'd been pushing him into for months. Just hearing another military member say "I feel the same way."
 
Okay, I asked my friend about this and he said that the VA "has TONS of help for PTSD. They're aware of it. They learned from Vietnam and...there is so much for veterans with PTSD. It's a HUGE thing, especially now..." Recovery groups and something else, therapy, alcohol addiction/recovery, etc. He said they're talking about it all the time and are gearing up for all the soldiers who'll be coming back.

I already knew this, because he's been talking for quite a long time about how much they have to do with suicide awareness/prevention and PTSD. Talks about it so much that once in a while I ask him if anyone has expressed and suicidal tendencies and he teasingly-disappointly says, "No, damn it, but I'm ready for them!!"

He really does want to help. He was in the military himself and had some unpleasant experiences. He is going to transfer into the Psych ward just to do that as soon as there is an opening. He's that into it.

He says that PTSD can drag up other stuff that was latent, like bipolar problems, and make them more pronounced. And that once a person has a PTSD problem, it can be a lifelong problem.

Also said that our VA is in the Top Five, so maybe they aren't all like that. Added that any vet who is having trouble dealing that can't get help should send a letter and someone will get him help, because that isn't the way the VA operates anywhere.

He was also curious about which VAs aren't helping people...if anyone wants to name a specific one.

ETA: I forgot to add this and it was my whole reason for posting. He said most people would already know about this, but for those who don't...

www.ncptsd.va.gov/ncmain/index.jsp

...and that there are videos and booklets and all kinds of stuff people can get in addition to therapy and support groups.

Like a PP said, he thinks the best thing those guys can do is just surround themselves with other veterans...the groups are set up and happy to have new joiners. Some of the guys were in Vietnam, others are brand new. But they help each other out. And if they're addicted to alcohol or drugs - which I guess a lot of them do, "It's an absolute mess," according to my buddy - there's help for that, too. Help with addictions, help with mental problems. Help, help, help.
 


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