How many total points can be sold for a specific resort?

[Kid_@_50]

Is there any direct relationship between the total points sold for a specific “home” resort and the ability or availability to use those points at that “home” resort? Since DVC owners can use their points for cruises, stays at other WDW (value, moderate and deluxe resorts), does this allow the unlimited sale of points at any resort?

If the new 2010 point charts require an additional 5% to 10% points, does this create new points for the developer to sell at older “previously sold-out” resorts?

 

[WilsonFlyer]

New points were not created on the new charts. Points were re-distributed. Take one away from a Sat and add one to a Monday.

The point charts for any given resort remains constant for any given month and only changes if Disney's seasons change.

I would think timeshare laws make the number of points finite for any given resort. They certainly can't "pull points out of the air". There must be units associated with each and every point and once a unit is sold/closed, I doubt it can be re-opened for sale because the points for that unit were "declared" up-front.

 

[RobDoc]

There is definitely a finite number of points at each resort. You can compute this pretty closely by multiplying the number of points needed for each type of villa at a resort for a year by the number of that type of villa at the resort and then adding all of those numbers together. There will of course be some minor variation each year caused by the number of weekend nights and by things like the extra day in a leap year - but that variation will be a relatively small number on a percentage basis. The total will be different at each resort since the number of villas is different at each resort.

As already explained above, we have just seen a reallocation of the points - where point needs for some nights were raised and that was balanced by lowering the point needs for other nights. As long as the total number of points remains in balance DVC can reallocate the point charts whenever they determine the utilization by members is out of balance. In reality, this has happened twice - once for OKW in 1996 and again in 2010 for all DVC resorts except CGV.

When DVC Members use their points for the non-DVC options, those points are used to hold villas at DVC resorts for cash rental directly thru Disney (this is done to "pay" for the non-DVC options).

The 2010 point charts do not reflect an increase of 5 - 10%. When viewed as a whole, there was no change at all (except for the minor variation due to annual fluctuations already mentioned).

 

[Mick West]

There is definitely a finite number of points at each resort. You can compute this pretty closely by multiplying the number of points needed for each type of villa at a resort for a year by the number of that type of villa at the resort and then adding all of those numbers together. There will of course be some minor variation each year caused by the number of weekend nights and by things like the extra day in a leap year - but that variation will be a relatively small number on a percentage basis. The total will be different at each resort since the number of villas is different at each resort.

As already explained above, we have just seen a reallocation of the points - where point needs for some nights were raised and that was balanced by lowering the point needs for other nights. As long as the total number of points remains in balance DVC can reallocate the point charts whenever they determine the utilization by members is out of balance. In reality, this has happened twice - once for OKW in 1996 and again in 2010 for all DVC resorts except CGV.

When DVC Members use their points for the non-DVC options, those points are used to hold villas at DVC resorts for cash rental directly thru Disney (this is done to "pay" for the non-DVC options).

The 2010 point charts do not reflect an increase of 5 - 10%. When viewed as a whole, there was no change at all (except for the minor variation due to annual fluctuations already mentioned).

Your last statement sounds like one a good saleman would make. The 2010 points, combined with my standard travel plans, absolutely reflect an increase of 5-10%. The "Charts", I agree, do not reflect an increase, but for many people, in real life, they do reflect an increase. In most cases, from what I've read on the board, the increase for most have been greater than the decrease for others. Admittedly, this has not been a scientific analysis!

 

[RobDoc]

Your last statement sounds like one a good saleman would make. The 2010 points, combined with my standard travel plans, absolutely reflect an increase of 5-10%. The "Charts", I agree, do not reflect an increase, but for many people, in real life, they do reflect an increase. In most cases, from what I've read on the board, the increase for most have been greater than the decrease for others. Admittedly, this has not been a scientific analysis!

While the points may have increased for the way you have chosen to travel, they did not increase at all based on the total points over the course of a year. Your statement suggests that DVC has increased the number of points at your resort by 5-10% and that is not factual at all.

Your statement sounds like one a politician would make!

 

[crisi]

Your last statement sounds like one a good saleman would make. The 2010 points, combined with my standard travel plans, absolutely reflect an increase of 5-10%. The "Charts", I agree, do not reflect an increase, but for many people, in real life, they do reflect an increase. In most cases, from what I've read on the board, the increase for most have been greater than the decrease for others. Admittedly, this has not been a scientific analysis!

That's true, but its sort of biased.

While I suspect most people here did have their vacation points go up, that's because DVCers and DISers in particular are masters at maximizing their points. Fly in on Sunday and leave Friday morning. If you have to stay a weekend night, stay one - and maybe even book it on cash at Pop. Avoid high point weekends. That behavior left DVC with too many free Friday and Saturday nights and too much demand for Wednesdays.

All this was perfectly fine under the rules of the system, but created problems for other members with much spottier mid-week availability earlier in the booking period than I suspect will happen with the rebalance.

 

[drusba]

The law provides the following:

"A developer or seller may not offer any number of timeshare interests that would cause the total number of timeshare interests offered to exceed a one-to-one use right to use night requirement ratio.

" 'One-to-one use right to use night requirement ratio' means that the sum of the nights that owners are entitled to use in a given 12-month period shall not exceed the number of nights available for use by those owners during the same 12-month period."


What that means is that they cannot sell more points than it would take to fill all DVC rooms in the resort for one year.