How many DVC members do you think there are?

[WilsonFlyer]

It would be interesting to resurrect prior threads on this same topic. I seem to remember the 250k number being bantered around several times over the years. And over several threads at that. It's hardly a new topic on the board.

 

[drusba]

It would be interesting to resurrect prior threads on this same topic. I seem to remember the 250k number being bantered around several times over the years. And over several threads at that. It's hardly a new topic on the board.

For the numbers themselves, what would also be good is for members on this site who bought directly from DVD to provide from the Multi-Site Public Offering Statement they received the total number of memberships shown and the date provided for the list (the applicable page listing total memberships actually states it is current through a certain date). For example, when I bought AKV in 2008, the total number of memberships for existing resorts in the applicable Multi-Site POS was 85,264 as of August 14, 2006. When I did a small add-on to BWV in mid-2,000, the total was 43,562 as of 2/10/2000.

I have one other set of figures. When Riviera first went on sale in 2019, which I did not buy, its Multisite POS provided the total number of memberships as 220,744 as of 9/30/2017. Thus, between September 2017 and May 2024, DVC added about 32,000 memberships.

 

[atthebeachclub]

For the numbers themselves, what would also be good is for members on this site who bought directly from DVD could provide from the Multi-Site Public Offering Statement they received the total number of memberships shown and the date provided for the list (the applicable page listing total memberships actually states it is current through a certain date). For example, when I bought AKV in 2008, the total number of memberships for existing resorts in the applicable Multi-Site POS was 85,264 as of August 14, 2006.

The link to find this is here, in case anyone else struggled to find this: https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/collateral-docs

I am struggling to find this info in my VDH packet of info though.

 

[Genie+]

It would be interesting to resurrect prior threads on this same topic. I seem to remember the 250k number being bantered around several times over the years. And over several threads at that. It's hardly a new topic on the board.

I can’t find the BW resort specific document but remember it had an owner count including the number changed from previous year (maybe it was 2023/24?). The owner count had actually gone down.

Makes sense?

If more BW owners pick up additional BW contracts than:
how many contracts rofr picks up and ends up selling smaller than original size, or cases when a BW owner has multiple contracts then sells each to new and different owners.

 

[Girlstar30]

The link to find this is here, in case anyone else struggled to find this: https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/collateral-docs

I am struggling to find this info in my VDH packet of info though.

Thank you, I was just about to ask this, because they dont mail me this

 

[Girlstar30]

Our three memberships, some with both of us, one with only one, is def skewing the statistics

 

[drusba]

The link to find this is here, in case anyone else struggled to find this: https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/collateral-docs

I am struggling to find this info in my VDH packet of info though.

That site address given in your post takes you to a section on the Disney Vacation Club Membership site that provides the actual POS for the sites you own, updated currently to 12/2024. In essence, you can actually go to that site and review the POS documents, but only for the sites you own.

The most amazing thing about that DVC website address that takes you to the POS's is that if you simply go online to the existing DVC site where you can see updates, make reservations, and do anything else with DVC, there appears to be no place on the site that you can click on to go to that section which provides your POS (at least after spending time searching I was unable to find any way on the DVC site to go to the POS's). In other words, something as critically important as the entire POS is hidden away somewhere on the site and you can get to it only because someone figured out you need to add "/collateral-docs" to your site search on the DVC site.

And, of course, the site actually has an easily findable choice for you to go to "Membership Documents," and if you click on it, you go directly to what DVC calls "Important Membership Documents." Absent from the list of such documents is the POS, including the Declarations which by law are considered the most important document that exists for a timeshare condominium. The only two "Important Membership Documents" given are: (a) a document laying out Membership Extras and telling affected resale purchasers they cannot get them, and (b) the Home Resort Rules and Regulations. Kind of creates the impression that DVC really wants to avoid having members actually reading the POS and learning what rights they actually have, but DVC definitely wants resale purchasers to know how screwed they are.

 

[Genie+]

That site address given in your post takes you to a section on the Disney Vacation Club Membership site that provides the actual POS for the sites you own, updated currently to 12/2024. In essence, you can actually go to that site and review the POS documents, but only for the sites you own.

The most amazing thing about that DVC website address that takes you to the POS's is that if you simply go online to the existing DVC site where you can see updates, make reservations, and do anything else with DVC, there appears to be no place on the site that you can click on to go to that section which provides your POS (at least after spending time searching I was unable to find any way on the DVC site to go to the POS's). In other words, something as critically important as the entire POS is hidden away somewhere on the site and you can get to it only because someone figured out you need to add "/collateral-docs" to your site search on the DVC site.

And, of course, the site actually has an easily findable choice for you to go to "Membership Documents," and if you click on it, you go directly to what DVC calls "Important Membership Documents." Absent from the list of such documents is the POS, including the Declarations which by law are considered the most important document that exists for a timeshare condominium. The only two "Important Membership Documents" given are: (a) a document laying out Membership Extras and telling affected resale purchasers they cannot get them, and (b) the Home Resort Rules and Regulations. Kind of creates the impression that DVC really wants to avoid having members actually reading the POS and learning what rights they actually have, but DVC definitely wants resale purchasers to know how screwed they are.

Yeah it’s funny. If you go to ‘Membership Documents’, there is hardly anything there:



But if you go to “My Profile’:



And on to Collateral Documents, you get the Real membership documents:

 

[drusba]

Yeah it’s funny. If you go to ‘Membership Documents’, there is hardly anything there:

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But if you go to “My Profile’:

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And on to Collateral Documents, you get the Real membership documents:
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One wonders what went into the IT management thought and discussion process that decided it was important for members to easily find the most "Important Membership Document," which is one mainly telling resale purchasers that you are out of luck with Membership Extras, while the POS and its declarations were merely unimportant "Collateral Documents" that can only be gotten to by going to "My DVC Profile."

 

[Genie+]

One wonders what went into the IT management thought and discussion process that decided it was important for members to easily find the most "Important Membership Document," which is one mainly telling resale purchasers that you are out of luck with Membership Extras, while the POS and its declarations were merely unimportant "Collateral Documents" that can only be gotten to by going to "My DVC Profile."

I can understand what you mean because the first few times I went in looking for them and came up empty. Only while doing something else did I stumble across where they actually put the full set of documents. ‘Membership Documents’ is where most people would expect to find their membership documents lol.

 

[atthebeachclub]

That site address given in your post takes you to a section on the Disney Vacation Club Membership site that provides the actual POS for the sites you own, updated currently to 12/2024. In essence, you can actually go to that site and review the POS documents, but only for the sites you own.

The most amazing thing about that DVC website address that takes you to the POS's is that if you simply go online to the existing DVC site where you can see updates, make reservations, and do anything else with DVC, there appears to be no place on the site that you can click on to go to that section which provides your POS (at least after spending time searching I was unable to find any way on the DVC site to go to the POS's). In other words, something as critically important as the entire POS is hidden away somewhere on the site and you can get to it only because someone figured out you need to add "/collateral-docs" to your site search on the DVC site.

And, of course, the site actually has an easily findable choice for you to go to "Membership Documents," and if you click on it, you go directly to what DVC calls "Important Membership Documents." Absent from the list of such documents is the POS, including the Declarations which by law are considered the most important document that exists for a timeshare condominium. The only two "Important Membership Documents" given are: (a) a document laying out Membership Extras and telling affected resale purchasers they cannot get them, and (b) the Home Resort Rules and Regulations. Kind of creates the impression that DVC really wants to avoid having members actually reading the POS and learning what rights they actually have, but DVC definitely wants resale purchasers to know how screwed they are.

I only found the link because I was searching my emails trying to find all the links from the documents I recently signed. Surprisingly difficult to find, and I haven't even closed yet. I assumed my signed documents with all the disclosures I previously saw would be obviously found in my docusign or proof accounts, but surprisingly not.

 

[CarolynFH]

Interesting stuff. Thanks for pulling this together. One question, though. Are these numbers unique members or unique contracts? If I own three contracts, am I counted once as a member, or three times in the 252K?

My thought is that the first time a person’s name appears as an owner on a deed, that person is issued a Club ID, and that Club ID remains the same no matter how many contracts or memberships that individual eventually has. IOW the Club ID identifies “a” member. For any given condo association, DVC could count the number of Club IDs attached to that condo association. @drusba, would that give the same results as the method you cite above?

 

[VGCgroupie]

I envy the comma club for many months of the year but not when it is Annual Dues time

Yeah and that time is creeping up rather quickly. For sure not looking forward to it. My dues are over 10k

 

[VGCgroupie]

Im going to work my way up to the comma club. After the next purchase ill be at 740 and from there i plan to take a breather lol.

I dont picture myself buying anything resale with restrictions or any more direct than minimum for perks. That kind of limits where else I would want to buy. It would be bwv in a heart beat if it weren't for 2042 expiration.

I would probably add to poly for more points at PIT, but then I mine as well go direct at the cost. This brings me back to more SSR or if this next trip to VGF is a hit then perhaps there.

Talk to me after you visit Aulani. Im willing to bet you will be hunting for sub contract from the poolside.

 

[VGCgroupie]

The link to find this is here, in case anyone else struggled to find this: https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/collateral-docs

I am struggling to find this info in my VDH packet of info though.

I found the numbers in my VDH POS page 56-57. The numbers are the same as what @Genie+ posted in mine

 

[Girlstar30]

Talk to me after you visit Aulani. Im willing to bet you will be hunting for sub contract from the poolside.

My wife already said what if we like aulani more than poly we should buy there

 

[drusba]

My thought is that the first time a person’s name appears as an owner on a deed, that person is issued a Club ID, and that Club ID remains the same no matter how many contracts or memberships that individual eventually has. IOW the Club ID identifies “a” member. For any given condo association, DVC could count the number of Club IDs attached to that condo association. @drusba, would that give the same results as the method you cite above?

Any owner of two memberships -- I have two and each has an ownership interest in BWV but with different use years --has two different membership numbers on separate ID cards for each membership, and thus, at least in that case, the Club ID is not the same and each membership would be treated separately if such ID numbers were used in counting total number of owners at a resort.

The total member numbers (actually membership numbers) for each resort shown in the BVTC Disclosure Document of the Multisite POS are designed to show total memberships per resort, not total memberships for all of DVC. The Document does not assert that the actual total number of all DVC members equals the addition of the numbers shown per resort. It phrases the total per resort as the total of "Club Members" and the Disclosure Document defines Club Member as “the owner of record of an Ownership Interest in a DVC Resort.” A member that owns two resorts in the same membership is included in the total number shown for each such resort regardless of having only one member Club ID card. Somewhat more than 20 years ago, I actually asked a DVC officer if the counts provided were designed to count an owner of two resorts in the total for each resort and was told that is the case, although, for the owner numbers, joint owners in a membership, such as husband and wife, count as one.

There is an importance to counting any owner of two resorts as an owner of each in the total members counts given for each resort. The count given is in a document that says what BVTC does and what members can do to make reservations at 7-months out through the DVC Reservation Component. Member owners of a resort are charged dues per point for the service, but, as asserted in the BVTC Disclosure Document, there is also one set charge, in that the association of each DVC Resort must pay a fee to BVTC that equals $1 per Club Member that has an ownership interest in the applicable DVC Resort, and that $1 is part of the dues then charged to the Club Member, and thus the Club Member needs to be counted at each resort the member owns, despite the member having only one membership and one ID number..