How long to get from 7DMT to Biergarten?

[mikedoyleblogger]

I doubt you'll make it. I'm pretty sure you'd get to Epcot by 5:20 but I doubt you'd have the time to get over to the restaurant by that time. More than likely, you're looking at an arrival of 5:30 to 5:40.

You didn't tell us when you're going but if it's soon, it would be hard to switch ADR times at Biergarten. If it's in the distant future, I'd push the ADR time back to 6pm. You'll make your afternoon/early evening much less stressful.

Biergarten is usually the easiest ADR to get and change at Epcot, especially the later seatings, though. During Pop Warner earlier this month we made a last-minute ADR two hours in advance with no problem.

 

[Pacolovestacos]

Biergarten is usually the easiest ADR to get and change at Epcot, especially the later seatings, though. During Pop Warner earlier this month we made a last-minute ADR two hours in advance with no problem.

No way is it the easiest. I can think of many that are easier to change starting with Marrakesh.

 

[mikedoyleblogger]

No way is it the easiest. I can think of many that are easier to change starting with Marrakesh.

There aren't even "many" ADR restaurants in Epcot. There's basically a dozen. Marrakesh is as unpopular as Biergarten. If you can get into one, you can get into the other.

 

[mitsukoshi samurai]

just pay for the express transportation

 

[mikedoyleblogger]

just pay for the express transportation

The express transportation buses only run every half an hour, so they may not save any travel time if OP just misses one. They won't save much walking, either. OP would still have to make it from 7DMT to the far side of Tomorrowland at MK, and then from almost the front of Future World to the far side of World Showcase.

 

[bumbershoot]

I feel that most of the "time to get from A to B" estimates are for a briskly walking, able to maneuver, person. Which has nothing to do with a group, and especially not a group with someone using a scooter. While they can go fast on a straightaway, they are anything but maneuverable in crowds, and I think we need to add on some time for the A-to-B times b/c of that.

 

[mitsukoshi samurai]

The express transportation buses only run every half an hour, so they may not save any travel time if OP just misses one. They won't save much walking, either. OP would still have to make it from 7DMT to the far side of Tomorrowland at MK, and then from almost the front of Future World to the far side of World Showcase.

either that or stand in security and entry line again

 

[1m1b]

Hi friends, thank you for the replies! Sorry I'm so late at this. I can toss the 7DMT FP, no problem. We'll (hopefully) have the DAS, and I just think it's not essential. So now I'm thinking through your advice on moving Biergarten to later or stacking it with a longer Epcot day. I'll try to give my overall plan so far and you can critique.

day 1-fly in, dinner at BOG, do part of MK focusing on Fantasyland and Tomorrowland.
day 2-guys drive to coast while I have girl time solo at Epcot. Meet for dinner at 1900 Park Fare
day 3-MK, option of Biergarten/Epcot in evening
day 4-AK, then dh and Gramps go to rehearsal dinner while ds8 and I do whatever we want in the parks
day 5-sleep in, putt putt, lunch at Disney Springs, go to wedding
day 6-BOG ppo for MK or do whatever calls to us (Epcot?), dinner at HS for Fantasmic and SWG fireworks
day 7-Boma breakfast and fly out

So that's what I've got. And I don't know how it is that I can have 5 day tickets and not feel like it's enough, but if feels like it's not enough! And I think part of it is breaking up things for the wedding events and part of it is just not knowing where we'll want to spend our time. Like if park attendance is really low (end of January, coming up!), then we could conceivably knock out most of MK by mid-day on day 3. When I put things into the Touring Plans app, between what we're hitting day 1 and what we hit by 1-3pm on day 3, we're DONE with MK. That's all the stuff at MK that we'd want to do with Gramps. That doesn't really allow for like 7 repetitions of one ride. That would make things take longer, lol. And maybe ds won't do that? I have no clue.

I think I scheduled a pirate makeover for day 3 at MK. Need to look in my notes to find when that was. That will push things a bit. I could cancel it or move it to day 6 or try to do it myself. But even with that, according to the touring plans app we're done in MK by like 1-3 pm. And Gramps will need a nap. And we'll already have eaten dinner at BOG on day 1, so there's not really anyplace where I'm like wow lets eat dinner at MK, kwim?

So that's kind of how I got to oh let's commute over to Epcot while Gramps naps. We could move Biergarten to later. I was thinking Biergarten, because I thought it would be fun. I don't know, I've read so many contradictory reviews of the food at Disney that I'm just not expecting anything of quality anywhere. I live in an area where I can get AMAZING food of any ethnicity at any time. I don't know, I just kind of gave up and figured we'd pick something and call it good. Doing something still (quiet restaurant) with ds wouldn't be easy. Of course noisy is bad too, can't win.

Anyways! Um, I really wanted to do the Epcot fireworks (whatever they call the show now) and Fantasmic/SWG with my dh, and I only have two nights essentially to do that (day 3 and day 6). All the other days are scratched. I was thinking Fantasmic/SWG for day 6, because it would be a pretty wow way to finish out our trip. But I agree that if we scratch the BOG ppo at MK on day 6 and do Epcot instead (entirely conceivable), then it would make sense to be staying there for dinner. Of course it's also not terribly inconvenient to go over to HS for dinner and the fireworks around 3pm after a morning at Epcot. And it's possible Gramps would sleep in (probable in fact) and just meet us at HS.

So I would have to move Fantasmic/SWG to day 3, and that's too much. MK is pretty upbeat, and Fantasmic is over the top for my group, lots of stimulation. That needs to be the last day.

Sorry, I think I'm talking that through out loud.

So either we day 3 entirely at MK *or* we do MK till say 3-4 pm (flexible, hang 7DMT) and commute over to Epcot. We would stay in Epcot (open till 11pm that day) and catch some rides that Gramps can do, do dinner, stroll two countries only (Mexico and Norway), watch the fireworks. Ds8 cannot do the countries. I made some plans in the Touring Plans app, and the basic idea was hit part of the front half of Epcot, take the ferry across the lake, dine, stroll out past Mexico and Norway. Something like that. This is the park that I'm least likely to do well in with ds, because of his autism and extreme ADHD. I mean it's a nice theory to think oh go do Epcot with him, but pretty much not reality, lol. But I hear you when you're saying it's HUGE! I believe you. Sigh.

So we could do Epcot on day 6 the whole day. I could do Fantasmic/SWG on day 4 while Gramps and dh go to the rehearsal dinner. I think that kind of sucks for them, but it's fine by me. Is it even practical to do Fantasmic and SWG on the same day? I actually have the Fantasmic dinner reservations for both day 3 and day 6. I *can* flip them. I don't know how Fantasmic is with the ECV. Where will it park? Like if we have to park an ECV, do Fantasmic, then recover the ECV and go over to SWG, how does that work? Is the ECV going to be in the wrong direction/location compared to where we're trying to go? Gramps *can* walk. It's just for the miles of Disney he needs to be on an ECV. But you're right, I don't know where we're parking it or how that affects exiting or going to the next thing.

Can I *Uber* from MK to Epcot? Like if it's just me and ds8, we could Uber over to Epcot while Gramps and dh nap at Shades. If we're going to lose a ton of time in the commute, that would be an option.

Does any of that make sense? I agree, I've never been there and have no clue what I'm doing, lol. Thanks for reading this far and for any more help!

 

[Robo]

Can I *Uber* from MK to Epcot? Like if it's just me and ds8, we could Uber over to Epcot while Gramps and dh nap at Shades. If we're going to lose a ton of time in the commute, that would be an option.

Not easily.
The car can't pick you up "at" MK gates.
It can only get you at TTC or in front of the Contemporary.
(I'd choose the latter.)

 

[Robo]

Anyways! Um, I really wanted to do the
1. Epcot fireworks (whatever they call the show now) and

2. Fantasmic/SWG with my dh, and I only have two nights essentially to do that (day 3 and day 6).

1. IllumiNations.
2. It will be unlikely that you would be able to see BOTH on the same night.
Disney is generally scheduling the two shows in a way to make it difficult to impossible to see them both.

 

[1m1b]

1. IllumiNations.
2. It will be unlikely that you would be able to see BOTH on the same night.
Disney is generally scheduling the two shows in a way to make it difficult to impossible to see them both.

Thank you! For some reason I thought they had changed the show and that it had a new name. And yes, that's what I was wondering. So then I should break it up and do SWG one night, Fantasmic another. I have the time in the parks with ds. It's just a matter of which one dh and Gramps want to see, since they'll have to choose.

 

[1m1b]

Is it true that the change in the opening show and the way they're letting people in at MK has eroded the value of the ppo breakfast at BOG? I specifically wanted it to be able to take in Gramps and ds before the crowds. If we're going to have to walk through crowds, not get that in front of the castle quiet shot, etc., then it's less worth it. The breakfast itself at BOG seemed really odd.

And a totally side question. Ds wants to do the Jedi Training at HS. Is that definitely something where you have to get there early in the morning to get signed up?

 

[Robo]

1. Is it true that the change in the opening show and the way they're letting people in at MK has eroded the value of the ppo breakfast at BOG?
2. I specifically wanted it to be able to take in Gramps and ds before the crowds.
3. If we're going to have to walk through crowds,
4. not get that in front of the castle quiet shot, etc., then it's less worth it.
5. The breakfast itself at BOG seemed really odd.
And a totally side question. Ds wants to do the Jedi Training at HS.
6. Is that definitely something where you have to get there early in the morning to get signed up?

1. The answer is unclear (and likely on a sliding scale.)
2. Arrive at MK gates by 7:40 and be ready for entry. ADR guests might be admitted early.
3. "Walk through crowds," in this instance, is not necessarily an apt description,
even if you only get to go in with the rest of the group.
4. Depending on a lot of factors, the castle area may or may not be too busy.
5. I have to say that Disney is only offering you a reservation for breakfast.
The rest of what you want may or may not be the case, but it is not advertised as such.
6. The short answer is yes.

 

[Lehuaann]

If I have a 3:45 FP for 7DMT and a 5:20 res at Biergarten, will we make it? Group of 4 with an ECV. I've never been to Disney before, so I have no clue!

Hi friends, thank you for the replies! Sorry I'm so late at this. I can toss the 7DMT FP, no problem.

It will be tight, because of the ECV.

Early Dec we had a 12:45 pm 7DMT (boarded early at 12:40) with a 2:55 pm Biergarten and made it via monorail with time to spare to grab a Starbucks and watch a few songs of 2:25 pm performance of Joyful! along the way. However, we had an extra 30 minutes on you with no ECV.

If we had had an ECV this past trip (and we have traveled with them several times), I would have booked 2-2.5 hrs minimum travel time to be safe.

Perhaps move Biergarten an hour later? Biergarten is much more flexible to secure than 7DMT.

 

[1m1b]

Thanks Robo, I'll chill out about it.

Lehuaann, thanks for sharing! Definitely will be moving Biergarten.

 

[DisAuntie]

I may have missed it, but you haven't answered the question on whether you have park hopper tickets.

 

[1m1b]

Sorry, yes! I got them through SOG, and they're 5 day park hopper. I'm working on stuff right now, trying to see if I can streamline this. Any more advice? It's really concerning to me that I've underestimated the amount of time/difficulty going from one park to another. On the other hand, a bit of a break can be good.

Tuesday is set in stone (BOG dinner, part of MK). My days I'm thinking through, trying to streamline, are:
Wednesday-I may go solo to Epcot while they do water/gator guy stuff on the coast.

Thursday-all 4 of us for the whole day. Planning to hit MK. Have the Biergarten res but obvious am happy to move/cancel.
Friday-the 4 of us half the day, then me and ds to finish the day. Think I might ax my original AK plan for that day and switch to HS. Ds is desperate to do the Jedi training. It would give me a chance to do either SWG fireworks or Fantasmic, since y'all said I probably can't stack them.
Sunday-all 4 of us, though odds are Gramps will sleep in. It would make the most sense to do Epcot that day.

So I wasn't listing Saturday, because I thought that day we'd do laundry, putt putt, sleep in, relax before the wedding. Technically with our 5 day tickets we could go into the park, but I'd have to skip my solo day Wednesday. And I sort of had this idea that after our Park Fare dinner at 5:30 we could send ds and Gramps back to Shades of Green, maybe with a Fairy Godmother, and dh and I could go do a date night, late night. But I think the guys will be tired and won't want to, lol. Which is to say, either we use that extra ticket on Wed (solo and dates) or Saturday (half day). Either way. But someone told me to plan Saturday off, so I just was.

So my days I'm streamlining are Thurs, Fri, Sunday, and in those days I'd like to see Illuminations, SWG fireworks, and Fantasmic. As in my trip will be ruined and I'll be crushed if I don't get to see them. I've been watching Fantasmic over and over online. I'm kind of obsessed.

I don't want to get into the crowds from the Pro Bowl, which is why I was putting MK to Thurs.

Do you see anything there? I'm sort of iffy on AK. The Yeti/exped everest looks really fun. Gramps and dh won't do it. With park hoppers, we could start HS and go over for yeti and then go back to HS for SWG, but that seems nuts. AK closes so early, it seems like you have to start there. Right now my Friday FPs are for AK early in the morning. We could do those then go over to HS. But then what if we miss the Jedi Training? I saw on FB where someone said they were still signing up at 11 this month, that it wasn't filling super fast. But even if we did AK in a couple hours, we still might miss that.

 

[Robo]

I'm sort of iffy on AK. The Yeti/exped everest looks really fun. Gramps and dh won't do it. With park hoppers, we could start HS and go over for yeti and then go back to HS for SWG, but that seems nuts. AK closes so early, it seems like you have to start there. Right now my Friday FPs are for AK early in the morning. We could do those then go over to HS. But then what if we miss the Jedi Training? I saw on FB where someone said they were still signing up at 11 this month, that it wasn't filling super fast. But even if we did AK in a couple hours, we still might miss that.

I see that you are referring to Expedition Everest as "Yeti."
Just making sure that you are aware that the much-promoted yeti is no longer a working/moving animatronic character.
The yeti has a structural problem that has rendered it to "standing there, motionless" for many years.
(EE is still a very entertaining coaster attraction.)

There is no guarantee that you will be able to sign up for Jedi Training late in the morning on the specific morning you are there.
Maybe yes. Maybe no.
As always, if seeing (or signing up for) a particular performance is IMPORTANT to you, it is much
safer to arrive far too early than to arrive one minute too late.

 

[1m1b]

I'm looking through this. Some of the EMH hours have changed. They now having evening EMH at HS on Friday. So if ds and I go to HS that evening and do either SWG or Fantasmic, that could be really cool. Then we could stay and be wild and re-ride rides, hehe. Oh, then it would be ok to be doing like 1/2 day somewhere else, because we could bang out more into the evening! He's a night owl, so he'd be fine with that. And we'd sleep in Saturday.

So evening on Friday at HS. But then how do we make Jedi Training? Surely the WHOLE day there would be overkill.

 

[1m1b]

Ok, weird question. Can we split up and send say dh to HS to sign ds up for Jedi while the rest of us go to a different park? Then we could hop from that other park over to HS when we were done with the first park. Does ds have to be present to sign up for the Jedi Training?

And good point about the broken yeti. I think ds will just like the sensory input of the fast ride. I doubt he cares about the story particularly.