HOw does Podcast team feel about DVC at Poly?

Jennygt

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I know that this was mentioned a while back on the show, but since the team was at the Poly last month and enjoyed it, I am wondering how they feel about the current,"rumored" plans for extensive DVC expansion. I am not against DVC at all, I just think that the plans that I see now are just too much? Pete, Dustin, Corey, Shaun, Craig, you were just there, what do you think? Love to hear what the whole team thinks of this expansion?

Chime in here also
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3110774

Thanks!!:thumbsup2
 
As someone who is constantly pondering a DVC purchase, I'm kind of happy to see there may be a Poly DVC. We've rented points many times, at almost all of the DVC resorts, and always enjoy our stays. However, I always felt that, being DVC, I would just feel I should stay where I'm already paying to stay. So, Poly would be out as an option. And I would love to stay there. This would probably push me to buy in.
 
My usual response on this is somewhat split. Apologies to those who have read my previous responses about DVC that are very similar.

I like that DVC may potentially be offered at more locations, more variety is generally good. But, that's where the positives just about end for me. I will admit that I have stayed at a few of the DVC locations and enjoyed it. But, overall, I'm not a huge fan of DVC additions to existing resorts, because I think it erodes at the overall guest experience at the existing property. In most cases, it adds more guest capacity with only limited addition of amenities; to the extent any new amenities are added, it is often a one-way street with the rest of the resort. Let me explain...

In the case of VWL, BCV, and BWV, there were no new restaurants, and only limited additional pools added; a majority of guests probably use the main feature pools at those resorts anyway.

AKV was something of a change in this pattern on the Jambo House side, where it didn't actually increase total guest capacity; in fact, it actually decreased it slightly. The opening of the Kidani side was something more interesting as well, where it added a new pool that rivals (even beats I'd say) the existing feature pool, as well as a new restaurant. This was good. I am not sure what is the official policy, but the typical rhetoric I hear about the new pool and who can use it is somewhat disconcerting. Many feel as though the Kidani pool should only be used by those who are DVC members, staying on points, or otherwise in a DVC room, and that anyone staying in a classic hotel room at Jambo side shouldn't be allowed there. (The whole "it's our dues paying for the upkeep" mantra.) Of course, however, Kidani guests are welcome to use the pool at Jambo, for instance. This is the whole one-way street kind of mindset I alluded to above that sort of irks me.

This same thing got taken to a whole new level at BLT. Anyone not a DVC member can't access the pool, or even the building. The bridge between the new building and existing tower is effectively one way only. I don't know what's in store for GFV, but given the trend, I'd be surprised if it wasn't something along the same lines.

Wtih each new resort, price point has also increasingly climbed to new peaks, eventually destined to call into question whether or not any real value proposition still exists. Though I'm not at all qualified to offer analysis, I have to also wonder from a business standpoint how long Disney can continue to make money adding more and more DVC properties. The initial buy in costs sure make their bottom line look great, but that can't continue forever, so what happens next?

With all of that said, I suppose I'm interested to see what they might do with a Poly DVC. I'm hopefully that maybe they could do something new and interesting, but not exactly confident either. Recently, the recipe seems to be to simply find a popular and expensive location, and build rooms that have a location even more preferential than the existing hotel, and collect the money. Will Poly rooms have easy view of the MK fireworks, and basically just be BLT rooms with a different theme? I hope not, but would not be surprised.
 

My usual response on this is somewhat split. Apologies to those who have read my previous responses about DVC that are very similar.

I like that DVC may potentially be offered at more locations, more variety is generally good. But, that's where the positives just about end for me. I will admit that I have stayed at a few of the DVC locations and enjoyed it. But, overall, I'm not a huge fan of DVC additions to existing resorts, because I think it erodes at the overall guest experience at the existing property. In most cases, it adds more guest capacity with only limited addition of amenities; to the extent any new amenities are added, it is often a one-way street with the rest of the resort. Let me explain...

In the case of VWL, BCV, and BWV, there were no new restaurants, and only limited additional pools added; a majority of guests probably use the main feature pools at those resorts anyway.

AKV was something of a change in this pattern on the Jambo House side, where it didn't actually increase total guest capacity; in fact, it actually decreased it slightly. The opening of the Kidani side was something more interesting as well, where it added a new pool that rivals (even beats I'd say) the existing feature pool, as well as a new restaurant. This was good. I am not sure what is the official policy, but the typical rhetoric I hear about the new pool and who can use it is somewhat disconcerting. Many feel as though the Kidani pool should only be used by those who are DVC members, staying on points, or otherwise in a DVC room, and that anyone staying in a classic hotel room at Jambo side shouldn't be allowed there. (The whole "it's our dues paying for the upkeep" mantra.) Of course, however, Kidani guests are welcome to use the pool at Jambo, for instance. This is the whole one-way street kind of mindset I alluded to above that sort of irks me.

This same thing got taken to a whole new level at BLT. Anyone not a DVC member can't access the pool, or even the building. The bridge between the new building and existing tower is effectively one way only. I don't know what's in store for GFV, but given the trend, I'd be surprised if it wasn't something along the same lines.

Wtih each new resort, price point has also increasingly climbed to new peaks, eventually destined to call into question whether or not any real value proposition still exists. Though I'm not at all qualified to offer analysis, I have to also wonder from a business standpoint how long Disney can continue to make money adding more and more DVC properties. The initial buy in costs sure make their bottom line look great, but that can't continue forever, so what happens next?

With all of that said, I suppose I'm interested to see what they might do with a Poly DVC. I'm hopefully that maybe they could do something new and interesting, but not exactly confident either. Recently, the recipe seems to be to simply find a popular and expensive location, and build rooms that have a location even more preferential than the existing hotel, and collect the money. Will Poly rooms have easy view of the MK fireworks, and basically just be BLT rooms with a different theme? I hope not, but would not be surprised.

Great post, many things I did not even think about. Thanks for posting!
 
DVC at Poly would be the one to push me over the edge, I think. I would have to stop hemming and hawing and finally buy in. GF does nothing for me, theme-wise, and neither does Contemporary. The Poly is the only monorail resort I love -- so I'd love to see DVC there.
 
I'll add to the post above talking about the hidden downside of DVC additions... and one that to me is the REAL worry with the latest round of additions.


The DVC resorts built added onto the existing Deluxes don't really contribute much to the upkeep of the existing resort or amenities. With the Monorail resorts, this is something that is a MUCH bigger deal than at some of the other deluxe resorts.

DVC is using the Monorail access to help push, and justify, the sales and cost of staying at these DVC units. This is on top of the HUGE premium these monorail Deluxe resorts already charge for the "priviledge and convenience" of staying at a Monorail resort.

But DVC is not contributing ANYTHING to the monorail system. All these DVC Additions are doing is increasing the demand on the Monorail system (BLT, GF-DVC, Poly-DVC), which is only going to further the decline of the system since Disney has been neglecting it for so long in the first place.

So my real question is how are these "premium Deluxe" resorts, with the increased DVC capacity, Going to be able to move everyone staying at the properties (DVC and Regular traditional deluxe guests) to the MK? The Monorail is already having issues because of the existing demands put on it due to the age of the trains, the age of the infrastructure, the neglected maintenance, and the increased guest capacity and operational hours.... And the Watercraft from the Poly and GF to the MK won't be able to absorb the increased guest numbers easily as it currently stands.

DVC isn't contributing anything to new Monorail Trains, or new watercraft to move these guests. And I'm not sure the powers that Be realize how big an issue this will turn out to be, especially since BLT's impact on the transportation system to MK is likely largely mitigated by the fact it's quicker and easier for most guests staying there to just walk to the MK. The Grand Floridian and Poly guests however won't have any other option other than to take the Monorail or Water Launch.


(And if Disney's "Answer" to the "OH SH*T" moment of realizing they have increased resort guest capacity beyond their existing transportation system's ability to handle the crowds is to put the Monorail Resort Bus's to MK in regular service [instead of just a temporary patch when the monorails are down as they do currently], I'd find myself EXTREMELY pissed off as someone paying to stay in the most expensive [and oldest] onsite resorts.)
 
In the case of VWL, BCV, and BWV, there were no new restaurants, and only limited additional pools added; a majority of guests probably use the main feature pools at those resorts anyway.

Good points. Quick correction- the boardwalk inn and villas opened together in 1996 so their pools and dining were designed to accommodate both resorts from the beginning :thumbsup2 I find it interesting that the main pool is on the villas side, not inn side. However, having worked there myself, I found that most Inn guests were VIP or convention and therefore unlikely to utilize a feature pool.
 
I would love to see DVC at the Poly, but the previous posters have some valid points.....the monorails are crowded (at best) at any given time...and if I am staying at the Poly, I do expect the monorail to up and running.

We all know that someone at Disney reads these boards...maybe this will put some ideas where they need to be.:confused3
 
Good points. Quick correction- the boardwalk inn and villas opened together in 1996 so their pools and dining were designed to accommodate both resorts from the beginning :thumbsup2 I find it interesting that the main pool is on the villas side, not inn side. However, having worked there myself, I found that most Inn guests were VIP or convention and therefore unlikely to utilize a feature pool.

Thanks for correcting that, I totally missed that detail. With that said, the main pool being on the villas side does nonetheless hint at another hidden preference towards the DVC guests. (Though I don't know that the distance is large enough to worry about.)
 
To make a correction DVC Contributes to the transportation system as much as a non dvc resort in equal proportions to the space it occupies it is listed in the dues. This actually takes some of the burden off the resort allowing them to keep prices lower.
Being that the transportation system can be used by any one with a park ticket the concern should be more on what is contributed from ticket sales.
Years ago you could not ride the resort monorail with out showing you were a guest of a monorail resort.....
 












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