How Can This Be Defended?

[Peter Pirate 2]

Iger's salary package up 30%. Co. profits up 54%. But they can't come to an equitable and fair solution for their CM's??? Something is wrong in Mudville and worse yet, there will be many who WILL defend it.

 

[nytimez]

I won't defend this. But I will say this: Whatever solution they ultimately come to -- and I believe they will come to one -- will be neither fair nor equitable to the CMs.

 

[Figment632]

Well some of the CM demands are unreasonable. Most of them are thempark jobs that aren't worth that much so the rates should not be increased. Thus is something that is wrong with this country.

People shouldn't be trying to raise families off of theme park jobs. They are worth a certain amount and then no more. It's like someone trying to raise a family off if minimum wage. MW should not be constanly raised because people are trying to raise a family off of them. Don't try and do this with this type of job no one should get 20 bucks an hour to drive a monorail or push a button on space mountain.

With that said it is an absolute joke that Iger is getting a raise!!!!

 

[ChrisFL]

Too bad also that their main competitor down the road pay on average more per hour (from what I've heard) and also gave out $200 bonus checks to their employees recently.

 

[Disco]

I say offer all the employees a dollar raise only if they dump their Union. Raises and no union fees equals a double win.
Eh, the problem with society is all the money goes to the top. Reform needs to be passed on these bonuses that execs get. Company bonuses should be doled out only if equally to all the employees company wide.
Prior to the market meltdown all these A-holes on Wall Street were getting huge bonus payments on profits that were basically made up. So all the execs get millions of dollars and all the common employees, not to mention the investor and tax payer, get a stick shoved their ****.
Another bad example is American Airlines. They convince all their unionized employees that the only way they can keep the company from going under is to have all the employees give up some of their wages and benefits. When they agree the execs all get millions in bonuses for saving the company 100 of millions of dollars. It's not just immoral IMO it's criminal. All the rules and regulations in the world can say it's legal but guess who those laws are protecting?
While I agree entry jobs like this shouldn't carry an entire family you should either be able to work up to a position within the organization that can or two people working at this level should be able to provide for an entire family.
It's easy to say entry level jobs are not meant to pay much but when 90% of the jobs in America are these positions they need to pay more. Every year the job pyramids gets fatter at the bottom and skinnier at the top while the pay pyramids does the opposite.
Hate it when I'm compelled to rant....

 

[OKW Lover]

There's no need to defend this. Its a company's duty to make money for its shareholders. They do this by controlling costs and prices they charge. Its just good business.

As long as Disney is offering total compensation thats equivalent to that being offered to similarly skilled employees at other companies in the area I don't see what the issue is. If the CM's don't want to work for the amount that Disney offers to pay them (pay = money and benefits) then its up to them to find a better deal.

 

[Figment632]

Agreed if you don't like what your company pats find another job don't whine and complain an strike to force a company to give you something that you might not deserve.

 

[Oglet]

I noticed a huge change in people at work today in regard to the contract negotiations. Recently people had pretty much come to terms with probably just accepting the contact at the next vote and moving on. Today it was much different, there is a real feeling of anger towards both Bobs nice little payday and the announcement of the Q4 earnings in regard to our situation. I am reasonably sure that the company would have liked the contract negotiation to be over with before these things were announced.

While I don't anticipate anything major will change, I do believe that this will give the people a will to fight on and things will probably end up getting pretty ugly. Disney might not end up paying any more money to its workers at the end of the day however if it wants a good old nasty fight with lots of negative publicity and airing of dirty laundry it might have just have got its wish.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

There's no need to defend this. Its a company's duty to make money for its shareholders. They do this by controlling costs and prices they charge. Its just good business.

As long as Disney is offering total compensation thats equivalent to that being offered to similarly skilled employees at other companies in the area I don't see what the issue is. If the CM's don't want to work for the amount that Disney offers to pay them (pay = money and benefits) then its up to them to find a better deal.

This is just a lovely rationalization. As long as you can sleep at night...

 

[OKW Lover]

This is just a lovely rationalization. As long as you can sleep at night...

Thanks! Oh, and I sleep just fine.

 

[Figment632]

Thanks! Oh, and I sleep just fine.

Don't listento that some people think every single person should make the same amount of money. So a fry cook should be paid 20 dollars an hour stuff like that.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

Thanks! Oh, and I sleep just fine.

Oh, I knew you did.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

Don't listento that some people think every single person should make the same amount of money. So a fry cook should be paid 20 dollars an hour stuff like that.

Some people would like America to give everyone the chance to make their way ... You know, the American Dream? But then others are lemmings who follow the corporate mantra of greed and 'me first'. Tell me, why aren't you supporting Iger's raise? Everything else you say indicates that you would think he's earned it because he works so hard...

 

[Oglet]

I'm sure the increased ticket prices that everyone was complaining about helped with profits. Maybe they should do it more often since its the duty of the company to make as much money as possible.

 

[OKW Lover]

Thanks! Oh, and I sleep just fine.

Oh, I knew you did.

Ok, I think my post was a bit to flip and I apologize for that. However, I do not apologize for my take on things. I'm just expressing my opinion, as I'm sure you are.

 

[Figment632]

Some people would like America to give everyone the chance to make their way ... You know, the American Dream? But then others are lemmings who follow the corporate mantra of greed and 'me first'. Tell me, why aren't you supporting Iger's raise? Everything else you say indicates that you would think he's earned it because he works so hard...

Read what I write Iger deserves to be fiered not a raise.

My view of the American dream is tha fry cook working his way up to a high level or finding a better job not demanding mire money for a job that isn't worth that much.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

Read what I write Iger deserves to be fiered not a raise.

My view of the American dream is tha fry cook working his way up to a high level or finding a better job not demanding mire money for a job that isn't worth that much.

I'm sorry but you seem to be speaking in a contradictory manner to me.

 

[Figment632]

I'm sorry but you seem to be speaking in a contradictory manner to me.

No I don't think Iger deserves a raise and I don't think that the CMs should get huge raises either that doesnt seem to contradict to me?

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

No I don't think Iger deserves a raise and I don't think that the CMs should get huge raises either that doesnt seem to contradict to me?

Iger makes 30 million. CM's barely survive. You don't think it'd be nice for fry cooks or ticket takers to make 10-15.00 per hour? You throw out statements like "a minimum wage earner shouldn't raise a family on that job" or "a fry cook cook shouldn't make $20.00 an hour" - Which is interesting to me because I have an employee who works for me, as a "lowly" landscaper and he makes $27.00 per hour. Now, that's currently more than I myself am taking home (in my own business) but it's fair. The downturn of our business wasn't his fault and I do need him to survive. I could reduce his wage, meaning his daughter would have to quit college or I could fire him and employ cheaper labor, but in the long run I'm better off with a happy employee who can count on me and whom I can count on. We'll get by and my business is now starting to recover.

With regard to the 'work your way up' angle. It's a nice philosophy that the current business models just ignore. What chance in today's world does a guy have to work his way from entry level at WDW to CEO??? Disney has no path to the top.

Wall St. has skewed what's right and wrong, black or white in the name of profit and greed.

 

[Figment632]

The themepark jobs are not worth 20 dollars an hour I'm sorry there is no justifying it. I am a part time CM because I love it but I have my own company because I wasn't making tsar much as a full time CM. It would be nice to get paid 20 an hour as a CM but it's to much for what we do.