How Can the Government Let These Things Happen?

Virgo10

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That really wasn't a question but I am filled with such anger and disbelief over these two stories.

Thousands Of FEMA Trailers Sit Empty

POSTED: 7:50 pm EDT September 29, 2005
UPDATED: 8:18 am EDT September 30, 2005

VENICE, Fla. -- Hundreds of thousands of victims of hurricanes Katrina and Rita remain homeless, but the WESH 2 I-Team has discovered thousands of temporary Federal Emergency Management Agency homes that could be put to use.

Instead, they remain unused in staging areas or tied up by victims from storms that hit more than a year ago.

The trailers sit silent in abandoned industrial parking lots around the country. There's 10,000 of them in all by FEMA's own count.

Despite four hurricanes in Florida last year and hurricanes Katrina and Rita this year, the trailers are currently not being used.

The reasons why includes local building codes and a lack of appropriate sites to put the trailers. Whatever the reasons, the trailers remain in Florida, sitting empty in four different staging areas while 300,000 victims of Katrina also sit waiting without a home.

"We know that when it comes to response and recovery, it's never fast enough," said FEMA spokeswoman Frances Marine.

The WESH 2 I-Team has also learned that when it comes to moving storm victims out of these temporary homes, the process can be just as slow.

Immediately after hurricanes Charley, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne hit Florida, more than 16,000 families moved into FEMA trailers. Now, more than a year later, nearly 7,627 families in Florida still remain in those trailers.

In Virginia, more than two years after Hurricane Isabel hit, 20 families still have FEMA trailers next to their still damaged homes.

The cost taxpayers is $1.3 million a month, just to maintain occupied FEMA trailers nationwide.

FEMA typically leases the trailers for 18 months after a storm. Residents usually pay only for utilities. Most live in these trailers rent free.

Some critics say that flexibility creates room for abuse.

"I think there's some of that. I think it's basically that they're paying utility bills but they're not paying any rent or anything like that," said Bob Hebert, Charlotte County's recovery administrator. "And I think there's no push other than to just to get into any sort of permanency."

FEMA rules require proof that residents are actively looking to find permanent housing, but government officials stress that in cases of victims who've lost their homes, patience is necessary.

The FEMA spokeswoman was asked if FEMA has ever kicked somebody out for staying in a trailer too long.

"Ever is a long time. I'd have to research that. But I can tell you it hasn't happened in Florida unless someone has violated the terms of their lease agreement," she said.

Even so, FEMA admits there are probably people who are abusing the system and staying longer than they have to, tying up trailers that could be used by victims of other storms such as Katrina or Rita.

Because of last year's four hurricanes, FEMA spent more than $560 million just to provide housing assistance in Florida.

The WESH 2 I-Team broke down those numbers and discovered FEMA spent $136 million for housing assistance in Central Florida alone.

While this story is dated late September, a local station had an update on it just two days ago. Close to a thousand trailers are and have been in an area about 50 miles from the people who need them. When the TV station tried to get in touch with FEMA, there was no one who would discuss it.

You might want to take a deep breath before you read the next story.

Wounded soldiers being asked to pay for lost gear
an ABC Action News report 11/11/05

TAMPA - Soldiers who lost equipment in combat, even if they were injured in the process, are being told they owe the government for that missing gear. But that's not sitting well with two high-profile veterans.

Sen. Bill Nelson and retired Gen. Wesley Clark offered their support to veterans at the VA Medical Center in Tampa on Friday.

"This is the wounds of war," Sen. Nelson said, choking up as he looked around the hospital. "They just get you. Look at this fella. At least he's going to be able to work. But look at the lance corporal there."

Nelson's tone turned to outrage when he started talking about debt collectors being sent by the Pentagon after soldiers wounded in combat, charging them with losing equipment from rifles to canteens to helmets in combat.

Gen. Clark chats with a Tampa veteran.
"The Secretary of Defense's office is telling me they put a stop to it. Well, they better have. Because the United States Senate isn't going to put up with this nonsense," Nelson stated.

Gen. Clark, who himself was shot four times in Vietnam, said that's no way to treat veterans.

"They volunteer and they put their lives on the line. The least we can do is keep the debt collectors away from them when they get home," the former NATO commander and presidential candidate said.

Clark added that, back in Vietnam, all kinds of equipment got lost, but soldiers were not held accountable for it. He wants to see the same policy in place now.

This just screams WRONG on every level. Inexcusable!
 
It's the government - 'nuf said..
 
It's the government - 'nuf said.

What she said!

But I really don't really understand the anger and disbelieve.

Even at private companies, the leanest, meanest, most competitively nimble of them out there make mistakes, every day, over and over again. I'm sure every single one of us can give examples from their own personal experiences. I know I sure can.

Why do people think our giant, sprawling, inefficient beauracracies of government, with absolutely no competitive incentive to improve, are going to do better?
 
The first story is somewhat of a double-edged sword for the government. On one hand, those empty trailers should absolutely be put into use. It's ridiculous that they aren't. The other side, however, involves those already residing in those shelters. I'd imagine that most of the people still using those shelters truly don't have a better option available. I mean, if you lost everything you owned, including your place of employment (think of the casinos destroyed during Katrina, for example), it is likely to take quite a bit of time for a lot of people to get on their feet. So, while the government should absolutely be held accountable for those trailers that are sitting empty, I don't fault them for not kicking people out that may actually depend on that housing for their survival.

As to the second story...there is NO excuse. Period. That is just absolutely pathetic.
 

wvrevy said:
The first story is somewhat of a double-edged sword for the government. On one hand, those empty trailers should absolutely be put into use. It's ridiculous that they aren't. The other side, however, involves those already residing in those shelters. I'd imagine that most of the people still using those shelters truly don't have a better option available. I mean, if you lost everything you owned, including your place of employment (think of the casinos destroyed during Katrina, for example), it is likely to take quite a bit of time for a lot of people to get on their feet. So, while the government should absolutely be held accountable for those trailers that are sitting empty, I don't fault them for not kicking people out that may actually depend on that housing for their survival.

As to the second story...there is NO excuse. Period. That is just absolutely pathetic.

Apparently, this is the excuse:

At the root of the problem is an outdated Defense Department computer system, which does not automatically link pay and personnel records. This creates numerous pay errors -- and overpayments become debts, said Gregory D. Kutz, the GAO's managing director for forensic audits and special investigations. "They've been trying to modernize it since the mid-1990s," he said. "They have been unsuccessful."

From a larger article here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/13/AR2005101302166.html
 
wvrevy said:
The first story is somewhat of a double-edged sword for the government. On one hand, those empty trailers should absolutely be put into use. It's ridiculous that they aren't. The other side, however, involves those already residing in those shelters. I'd imagine that most of the people still using those shelters truly don't have a better option available. I mean, if you lost everything you owned, including your place of employment (think of the casinos destroyed during Katrina, for example), it is likely to take quite a bit of time for a lot of people to get on their feet. So, while the government should absolutely be held accountable for those trailers that are sitting empty, I don't fault them for not kicking people out that may actually depend on that housing for their survival.

As to the second story...there is NO excuse. Period. That is just absolutely pathetic.

I agree with most of this, but I would like to add a thought regarding the empty trailers. As was noted by the story, local building codes and lack of sites are huge problems Many local governments are throwing up as many road blocks as possible to keep the trailers out of their towns, fearing increased crime and strained social services. This leaves the Fedsa in bad situation. Everyone is yelling at them that they need to make the trailers available, but no one wants them in their backyard.
 
But I really don't really understand the anger and disbelieve.

The anger and disbelief was in regards to the format of the story I saw about this not because I couldn't believe the government could be so inept. That story was just aired again a couple of minutes ago. In it they interviewed a Veteran who was on oxygen laying in the middle of a school gym on a cot. It was heartbreaking.

75 miles up the road are trailers that are fully equipped with furniture, appliances, etc. They were brought in for hurricane Charlie and have been sitting there since last year. This news station spoke with someone at FEMA but they refused to comment on the situation.

Everything else I'd like to say about the whole homeland security part of this government would be blanked out by the censors.
 
Virgo10 said:
The anger and disbelief was in regards to the format of the story I saw about this not because I couldn't believe the government could be so inept. That story was just aired again a couple of minutes ago. In it they interviewed a Veteran who was on oxygen laying in the middle of a school gym on a cot. It was heartbreaking.

75 miles up the road are trailers that are fully equipped with furniture, appliances, etc. They were brought in for hurricane Charlie and have been sitting there since last year. This news station spoke with someone at FEMA but they refused to comment on the situation.

Everything else I'd like to say about the whole homeland security part of this government would be blanked out by the censors.

What does homeland security have to do with either of these stories? :confused3
 
bsnyder said:
What does homeland security have to do with either of these stories? :confused3

From FEMA's Website:

The Federal Emergency Management Agency - a former independent agency that became part of the new Department of Homeland Security in March 2003 - is tasked with responding to, planning for, recovering from and mitigating against disasters.

If you can to read my post, it was clear that I was only referring to the article about the trailers.
 
Virgo10 said:
From FEMA's Website:

The Federal Emergency Management Agency - a former independent agency that became part of the new Department of Homeland Security in March 2003 - is tasked with responding to, planning for, recovering from and mitigating against disasters.

If you can to read my post, it was clear that I was only referring to the article about the trailers.

I read it and it wasn't clear to me. But I guess I see your point now. Maybe.

Was the veteran on the cot part of the FEMA story, or part of the wounded soldiers story?
 
There was a story on one of the major nightly news stations several weeks ago (I'm losing track of time - it was a couple weeks after Katrina) - a man who owned a mobile home manufacturing business wanted to bid for the mobile homes that would be used for the Katrina victims. He was told "no" , that the contract was already given out - well, it was given out to a company who charged double what he would have charged AND to a company that didn't have the mobile homes built (he had them built and ready to go at 1/2 the price) . BUT NOOOOOOOO. Our Republican government has to give the contract to one of the "favored" businesses so they can pad some more pockets while the hurricane victims sit and wait for a mobile home that never comes. Now, which party is it that wastes the tax payers money??
 


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