How can I tell If this is a scam or Not?

[ellie05]

*sigh* Yes, you get a hearty pat on the back for rescuing cats, but there is nothing wrong with paying for a pure bred animal. I have a Standard Poodle and 2 Japanese Bobtail cats, all of which I purchased from breeders.

When 1.2 million animals are being put to sleep because they can't find homes, breeding is just adding to the problem. There is plenty of pure breeds in rescues and shelters. Considering most dogs and cats come from backyard breeders and puppy mills there is a lot wrong with buying pets.

 

[tkitty]

We had a similar situation selling an ATV to someone out of state. I told my husband to just tell the guy no, but he wanted to see what would happen when we got the cashiers check. We did get a cashiers check (for more than we were selling the ATV for because his "friend" was going to pick up the extra money to deliver the ATV to him). We took the Wells Fargo cashiers check straight to Wells Farga and asked them to check it out for us, they kept trying to deposit it into our accout. We said No, we just want you to check it. Had to get the branch manager, explained the situation, and he took the check and was on the phone for a while. He came back and told us that the check was a real Wells Fargo cashiers check, from something like 10+ years before, with a signature of someone who no longer would be on a cashiers check. We handed everything over to their fraud dept.
The sender hopes you'll just deposit that check which can't be traced back, and it comes out of your own acct in the end.

 

[robinb]

When 1.2 million animals are being put to sleep because they can't find homes, breeding is just adding to the problem. There is plenty of pure breeds in rescues and shelters. Considering most dogs and cats come from backyard breeders and puppy mills there is a lot wrong with buying pets.

No they don't. MOST cats and dogs come from "oops litters" and are mixed. Here's some interesting information from 2012: http://mypositivedogtrainingblog.com/2014/06/05/where-do-all-these-shelter-dogs-come-from/ . 75% of the dogs in shelters are mixed breeds and not purebreds. The hobby breeders and the puppy mills are not the main problem. It's the people who do not spay and neuter their pets. My guess would be that in cats that number is even higher as cat breeds are not as recognizable and desirable and as dog breeds.

The key to lowering the number of animals that end up in shelters is not to shame people into adopting, but to provide FREE spay and neuters to everyone.

 

[ellie05]

No they don't. MOST cats and dogs come from "oops litters" and are mixed. Here's some interesting information from 2012: http://mypositivedogtrainingblog.com/2014/06/05/where-do-all-these-shelter-dogs-come-from/ . 75% of the dogs in shelters are mixed breeds and not purebreds. The hobby breeders and the puppy mills are not the main problem. It's the people who do not spay and neuter their pets. My guess would be that in cats that number is even higher as cat breeds are not as recognizable and desirable and as dog breeds.

The key to lowering the number of animals that end up in shelters is not to shame people into adopting, but to provide FREE spay and neuters to everyone.

You miss my point completely. Most purebred dogs come from puppymills and backyard breeders. Still 25% of those homeless animals are pure breed, in fact it is probably more than 25% as sometimes they add the mix at the shelters even though they are not (we worked with a few shelters that they will add the mix to any dog no matter what). I totally agree with spay and neutered laws. I will never purchased a dog when so many are being put down, specially with all the purebbreed rescues out there. As the article points out it is hard to get real numbers since there are no central data. The problem still too many animals not enough homes. As the article also points out it depends on the area, there are rescues and shelters were a good percentage of the dogs come from puppymills so that is still a big problem not to mention the conditions those poor dogs live. That is why puppymills keep going because people who buy dogs. We can thank backyard breeders and puppymills for the quality of dogs in America genetics diseases are becoming so common now a days, so it is still a big problem. No one is trying to shame anyone if that is how you are feeling that is completely on you, but to say there is nothing wrong with buying a pure breed dog that just supports the industry(aka puppymills and backyard breeders) is far from the thruth.

 

[robinb]

You miss my point completely. Most purebred dogs come from puppymills and backyard breeders. Still 25% of those homeless animals are pure breed, in fact it is probably more than 25% as sometimes they add the mix at the shelters even though they are not (we worked with a few shelters that they will add the mix to any dog no matter what). I totally agree with spay and neutered laws. I will never purchased a dog when so many are being put down, specially with all the purebbreed rescues out there. As the article points out it is hard to get real numbers since there are no central data. The problem still too many animals not enough homes. As the article also points out it depends on the area, there are rescues and shelters were a good percentage of the dogs come from puppymills so that is still a big problem not to mention the conditions those poor dogs live. That is why puppymills keep going because people who buy dogs. We can thank backyard breeders and puppymills for the quality of dogs in America genetics diseases are becoming so common now a days, so it is still a big problem.

You don't want to buy a pet? Good for you. You also get a nice pat on the back . FWIW, poor genetics is exactly why I did not adopt my standard poodle from a shelter. There is too much that can go wrong with the breed. I went to a reputable breeder that ran multiple tests on the parents and selected my puppy. Puppies from her litter competed in the show ring. The same with my Japanese Bobtail cats. With only about 2,000 of them in the US, it is very difficult to find them in shelters that are close by and there is no real breed rescue. I got all three of mine from breeders and my last one is a retired Grand Champion.

No one is trying to shame anyone if that is how you are feeling that is completely on you, but to say that puppymills and backyard breeders are not a problem is just not true.

I said they were not the MAIN problem as you indicated in your previous post when you claimed that "Considering most dogs and cats come from backyard breeders and puppy mills there is a lot wrong with buying pets.". However, I do agree that indiscriminate backyard breeders and puppy mills are a problem (but again, not the MAIN problem) because they do not improve and maintain the breed. Sadly, we won't know if the OP is a reputable breeder because she was chased off back in September and has not been back.

 

[ellie05]

You don't want to buy a pet? Good for you. You also get a nice pat on the back . FWIW, poor genetics is exactly why I did not adopt my standard poodle from a shelter. There is too much that can go wrong with the breed. I went to a reputable breeder that ran multiple tests on the parents and selected my puppy. Puppies from her litter competed in the show ring. The same with my Japanese Bobtail cats. With only about 2,000 of them in the US, it is very difficult to find them in shelters that are close by and there is no real breed rescue. I got all three of mine from breeders and my last one is a retired Grand Champion.
I said they were not the MAIN problem as you indicated in your previous post when you claimed that "Considering most dogs and cats come from backyard breeders and puppy mills there is a lot wrong with buying pets.". However, I do agree that indiscriminate backyard breeders and puppy mills are a problem (but again, not the MAIN problem) because they do not improve and maintain the breed. Sadly, we won't know if the OP is a reputable breeder because she was chased off back in September and has not been back.

I was typing in my phone what I already explain that what I meant by that was most dogs and cats that are pure breed. I still don't see why you feel the need to excuse your actions.

As the op stated she only breeds the cat a couple times a year, that doesn't scream reputable breeder.

 

[robinb]

I was typing in my phone what I already explain that what I meant by that was most dogs and cats that are pure breed.

Do you mean that most purebred dogs come from puppy mills and back yard breeders? You are probably right but those animals are also less likely end up in a shelter according to the article I linked earlier.

I still don't see why you feel the need to excuse your actions.

Which actions are those?

As the op stated she only breeds the cat a couple times a year, that doesn't scream reputable breeder.

She also said she was a new breeder so we really don't know how many litters she has bred. In fact, we really don't know much about her breeding operation since she's left the DIS and she's not here to defend herself. Because of that, I'm not willing to simply assume the worst of her.

 

[sibesx2]

Do you mean that most purebred dogs come from puppy mills and back yard breeders? You are probably right but those animals are also less likely end up in a shelter according to the article I linked earlier.

Not sure what you mean here and I didn't read the article. There are more mixed breed dogs in shelters but there are plenty of purebred's also. And I think if a purebred dog is in a shelter it probably came from a puppy mill or back yard breeder. Reputable breeders take their animals back if you can no longer care for it no matter the reason or how old it is. Puppy mills certainly don't and most back yard breeders don't. Just because someone pays money for an animal doesn't mean they will take care of it for the rest of the animals life. In 10 years of rescue I have fostered pure bred puppies, pure bred 12 year old dogs and every thing in between.

I think if you want to buy a dog you need to do your homework. Find a good breeder who is active in the breed and tests the parents for defects. If you are just looking for a companion please consider a rescue.

 

[robinb]

Not sure what you mean here and I didn't read the article. There are more mixed breed dogs in shelters but there are plenty of purebred's also. And I think if a purebred dog is in a shelter it probably came from a puppy mill or back yard breeder. Reputable breeders take their animals back if you can no longer care for it no matter the reason or how old it is. Puppy mills certainly don't and most back yard breeders don't. Just because someone pays money for an animal doesn't mean they will take care of it for the rest of the animals life. In 10 years of rescue I have fostered pure bred puppies, pure bred 12 year old dogs and every thing in between.

I was responding to ellie, so maybe that's why it seemed disjointed. I know that there are purebred dogs in shelters. The article I posted said that about 25% of the animals are purebreds as opposed to 75% mixed breed "opps" dogs. It also said that people who buy purebreds are more likely to keep them.

Nothing is guaranteed when it comes to people. People suck when it comes to animals. My neighbor set free her daughter's pet rats one October because the girl didn't want to take care of them. Imagine being a pet who has lived inside your whole life and you are suddenly dumped outside in the cold? A week later the poor things were hiding in her garage and she called me to see if I could take them because my DD had rats. It took me 2 hours but I caught them and they lived their lives out with me. I even neutered one when his companion died so he could live with the girls. They are very social creatures.

I think if you want to buy a dog you need to do your homework. Find a good breeder who is active in the breed and tests the parents for defects. If you are just looking for a companion please consider a rescue.

Yes, I completely agree with you. I actually have one of each: a standard poodle from a reputable breeder and a rescue that was advertized as a "Maltese". I have no idea what he is, but he's not a Maltese!