Housekeeping and Check In

The problem is that it gets to be a hotel when you want it to be a hotel, and a timeshare when timeshare better suits your dialog. Same with Disney. Both of you need to pick one position and stick with it.


This is correct. Disney sells it as deluxe resort and accommodations, not a timeshare.
 
Hi do you need trash and towels? No? Ok, I just need to come in and out real quick. Have a nice day. Rather than a 5 minute back and forth.

Then don't be part of the back and forth. Invite them in and do your thing while they do theirs. Easy.

Also it's a 1 bedroom villa.... what's the point of the theater behind walking into and out of just the kitchen?

We all had these conversations in 2017. No point in doing it again.

Does this mean check out just begins at 11? They should be consistent with their rules.

They are.

Checkout at 11.

Check in starts at 4. Since they are short on space, remember that the "If you select" part is separate from the first sentence.

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People should expect that rooms be ready around 4:00 pm because technically checkin is done by most online anyway.

I don't see the connection.

That was not advertised on my DVC tour.

Did you...believe what a salesperson said? And worse, they are timeshare salespeople.

When doing split stays is when I’ve felt the most inconvenienced by not having a room at check in time. It’s just hard when you’ve been in the heat and crowds all day and are ready for a minute to cool down and decompress but there’s nowhere to go.

Pack a bag and either take it with you or leave it at your intended resort. Have swimsuits, sunscreen, etc in it or if it's too cold to swim pack sponges or wipes to help make you feel human, and new clothes (down to underwear and socks). Go back to your resort when you wish, retrieve that bag from bell services if you didn't bring it with you, change in a lobby or pool restroom, and go forth refreshed.

Many of us aren’t 15 years old and have stayed in hundreds of hotels over decades and know how it works.

Timeshares aren't hotels.

It is but between this, the IT fiasco beforehand, the IT fiasco during (this trip), the service provider actually needs to help create that fun.

At some point you need to throw your hands up and say "I paid a lot of money for what you are advertising as deluxe (hotel) accommodations. Fix it."

Disney IT has been awful since at least when I first went to Disneyland as an adult in 2007. It's not going to change. We need to deal with that.

Salespeople are salespeople. See the above sentence.

we certainly should be expecting that rooms be ready 99% of time by 4:00 pm.

I've had that experience, but I never expect it. When I've gone with family who expects it, I'm happy and they aren't. I recommend my way LOL.

And see the above screenshot, because it's clear that it starts at 4.

Whenever I stay in the 1 bedroom or larger Villas I always start the Dishwasher before I checkout so it's already washing the load whenever they get into the room to clean and will just need to be emptied when done.

I'm not convinced that doing this helps them.
 
We have been generally pleased with both check-in and housekeeping

Vero in Dec, and just got back from HHI (first time at both... scouting)

Check-in was great at both.

Vero: We didn't get to hotel till 5 got text room was ready at 3.

HHI: Arrived at 1, room not ready, walked to pool, (got a dole whip 😀) walked out on pier, got text room was ready!

I honestly haven't had an issue with housekeeping... I view it more as on demand... Just push the housekeeping button on the phone and whatever you want ( coffee, towels, plates, personal care items, trash service, ice bags... Etc) comes with a smile in minutes!

We had a longer stay at Aulani in Sept.... They told us for used towels we should just put them in the hallway outside the door...

( We were at WDW a year ago, was fine then too... Actually got early room and upgrade at BWV 😀 ... But could be worse now at WDW, seems the trend on the boards/talking heads etc. .)

Have fun!

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Expecting “deluxe” at DVC is going to be disappointing. The linens, the check in, THE WEBSITE, the mattresses, the toiletries are all worse than any business hotel I would be willing to stay in. I’d change to another brand, honestly.

The banging on your door at 9:30AM the day you check out grinds my gears still, but I’ve accepted the rest of this. Well, no the website. I am so fed up with the website.

When I put normal people who have stayed in nice hotels in DVC I have to explain all of this ahead of time.
 
The banging on your door at 9:30AM the day you check out grinds my gears still, but I’ve accepted the rest of this. Well, no the website. I am so fed up with the website.

Try 820 this trip... a new record for me!
 
Then don't be part of the back and forth. Invite them in and do your thing while they do theirs. Easy.



We all had these conversations in 2017. No point in doing it again.



They are.

Checkout at 11.

Check in starts at 4. Since they are short on space, remember that the "If you select" part is separate from the first sentence.

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I don't see the connection.



Did you...believe what a salesperson said? And worse, they are timeshare salespeople.



Pack a bag and either take it with you or leave it at your intended resort. Have swimsuits, sunscreen, etc in it or if it's too cold to swim pack sponges or wipes to help make you feel human, and new clothes (down to underwear and socks). Go back to your resort when you wish, retrieve that bag from bell services if you didn't bring it with you, change in a lobby or pool restroom, and go forth refreshed.



Timeshares aren't hotels.



Disney IT has been awful since at least when I first went to Disneyland as an adult in 2007. It's not going to change. We need to deal with that.

Salespeople are salespeople. See the above sentence.



I've had that experience, but I never expect it. When I've gone with family who expects it, I'm happy and they aren't. I recommend my way LOL.

And see the above screenshot, because it's clear that it starts at 4.



I'm not convinced that doing this helps them.

The connection is that check in is already done for most well before the day you arrive.

So, check in at the desk when you get there is no longer required. Therefore, that 4 pm time really is about room ready tied to check in.

People can be okay with not having a room within any certain timeframe.

But the rules for our timeshare state that it starts at 4 pm and that should mean we, as owners should expect that to be adhered to 99% of the time within reason.

No one should be waiting hours beyond 4 pm for a room except in emergencies and the reports here are too often to be that. I have been very lucky to only have it happens once that it wasn't ready on time, and I shared we were comped dinner for the 7 of us.

Again, after 5 hours of cleaning, at 4 pm, no one who is there should not have a room to go to unless they are holding it for a later arrival. On a side note, they did tell me that the system does see the arrival time and while it is not used for cleaning per se, it is available to them.
 
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Check in starts at 4. Since they are short on space, remember that the "If you select" part is separate from the first sentence.

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I still read that as reasonably you can expect your room at 4pm. For people making an argument that it just starts then and goes on after that, I want to know what your stop time is then? No one has answered that for me yet.

If I have a reservation for Jan 15th, when can I reasonably expect my room baring emergencies?

Is it Jan 15th at 4:30pm? 5pm? 7pm? 9pm? 11:59pm? Jan 16th at 2am? Maybe for you it's Jan 20th at 8am? Because TECHINCALLY Jan 20th IS after 4pm on Jan 15th. How about a year later? Do you think that would hold up in court? "Oh yes sir. We told you check in begins at 4pm on your date of arrival, but we never said how long it goes on for. We are like Congress, as long as we don't gavel out, it's technically the same business day".

So far I have had a few of you admit it's not 11:59pm. So it's somewhere after 4pm and before 11:59pm. Tell me when.
 
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I still read that as reasonably you can expect your room at 4pm. For people making an argument that it just starts then and goes on after that, I want to know what your stop time is then? No one has answered that for me yet.

If I have a reservation for Jan 15th, when can I reasonably expect my room baring emergencies?

Is it Jan 15th at 4:30pm? 5pm? 7pm? 9pm? 11:59pm? Jan 16th at 2am? Maybe for you it's Jan 20th at 8am? Because TECHINCALLY Jan 20th IS after 4pm on Jan 15th. How about a year later? Do you think that would hold up in court? "Oh yes sir. We told you check in begins at 4pm on your date of arrival, but we never said how long it goes on for. We are like Congress, as long as we don't gavel out, it's technically the same business day".

So far I have had a few of you admit it's not 11:59pm. So it's somewhere after 4pm and before 11:59pm. Tell me when.

You are correct. Terms and conditions and member agreements are both things that are always left vague in the corporation’s best interest, never the consumer. By stating “begins at 4”, they are attempting to limit liability and give themselves wiggle room because real life circumstances can and do pop up preventing rooms being ready by 4 PM. If DVD is acting in good faith and something happens and you don’t get your room until 6, you really have no recourse and it’s why they will pixie dust you to make you happy. That’s how it should work. There is never a defined time because that is a liability. If it were my room and it wasn’t ready until 5 and they gave me a gift card, I’d accept that. If it weren’t ready until 8, or if a large number of people had no rooms at 5, it’s a much bigger issue. For some, they don’t care at all and go with the flow. That’s fine and their choice, but don’t listen to them when they tell you “you agreed to the terms” because that’s just wrong legally and ethically.

If they are shown to be acting in bad faith and it’s a pattern of behavior where they don’t have adequate staffing, have fallen behind on maintenance causing check in issues with rooms in disrepair, etc. and it’s happened 30 times in the past few months, you can bet your bottom dollar they are 100% liable and will lose in court. It’s the same issue with the “daily crack checks”, it’s only not an issue because nobody wants to see a lawsuit through to the end and accepts the bribe money. The minute they see a room occupied sign, knock and immediately barge in on someone naked they have lost the court case if it proceeds. You can’t sign away your rights in terms and conditions, rights are inalienable and contracts can be deemed invalid if they violate them.

Some travel with kids and need a room ready at a certain time, for them it’s a big deal. For others, they don’t and it’s not a big deal either way. It doesn’t negate that “check in begins at 4” is vague on purpose and can certainly be litigated because there is reasonable and unreasonable scenarios with that vagueness.
 
On my last two trips my rooms were never ready at 4, always 5 or even later. I’d say it’s a problem that out of four hotel check in’s they were never ready on time. It didn’t seem to be a one off, rather a trend.
 
The reasonable interpretation of “starts at 4pm” is that your room is ready anytime you arrive after 4pm. You arrive at 4, your room should be ready. You arrive at 430, your room should be ready bc checkin already started at 4. You arrive at 330, then don’t expect the room to be ready because checkin doesn’t start til 4. Check-in starts/begins at 4 doesn’t mean that they “begin making rooms available at 4pm but it could be hours later for your particular room to be ready”. Of course there are exceptions. But generally rooms should be ready at 4 and guests should be able to count on that. Anything else is unreasonable and borders on false advertising etc. And I’m an attorney so please spare me the apologists arguments. Anyone can turn a phrase of words into a forced meaning but generally when dealing when consumers your disclosures need to mean what they “seem” to say to a reasonable person.
 
They are.

Checkout at 11.

Check in starts at 4. Since they are short on space, remember that the "If you select" part is separate from the first sentence.

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If Check in starts at 4 p.m., when do they have to have check in completed by? Could they do it at 11:59 p.m.? What about 5 a.m. the next day?

Also, don't members technically reserve a Use Day, which is supposed to be a 24 hour period? Now that's unrealistic without some turnover period. However, I think it does lend credence to the fact that check-in time shouldn't be delayed much past 4 p.m. (especially since there's already a 5 hour lag).
 
Obviously, posters here will be mostly intractable on her/his given points, so I don't present the following as further argument on either side of the "they should" vs "they try" tit-for-tat. I do present it as a behind-the-scenes look and in no particular order.
Phones: Disney policy is to not have your personal phone visible anytime you're "on stage." No doubt some do, but the overwhelming majority are on company-issued cell phones loaded with apps that show which rooms are ready for which service.
Check in: As rooms come available, they are released so that guests can check in. There is no slow-rolling the rooms.
Housekeeping: Work their tails off to get rooms ready. If guests don't mind a quick wipe down, sweep, and new sheets, then yes rooms could be ready 99% of the time by 4 p.m. That's not what happens. The cleaning is quite thorough to include sanitizing all hard surfaces, vacuuming, steam mopping, running the dishwasher, running the clothes washer, scrubbing toilets, wiping down all showers and tubs, stripping old linens, putting on new linens, checking/wiping out bedroom drawers, replacing missing amenities or broken items, gathering trash, cleaning balcony, unfolding sleep sofas/murphy beds for cleaning, sanitizing bathroom sinks and faucets, cleaning mirrors, and more. Yes, sometimes areas/items are missed or not cleaned properly, but given the thousands of rooms flipped daily, human error will occur.
Inspection: Once cleaned, the rooms must each be inspected by a second person who comes in and attempts to make sure the room is up to standards. This process includes, but is not limited to, rechecking all the areas listed above for housekeeping. If something amiss is found, the room can't be flipped until the issue is resolved. For example, say there is a missing mug or dish detergent (or choose any number of dozens of items), then a request is made via a phone app for the item. Somewhere on property, there are a few runners whose job it is to secure said item(s) and take them to the proper room. The runner may be delivering a new cutting board to a cabin on the opposite side of the property where the room is located, and then he/she has to leave there, go to the warehouse, find the item(s), and head over to the room in question. Multiply that act by 10, 20, or more depending on the size of the resort.
Room Ready: Many guests do not want a ready room--they want their requests, and the room assigners attempt to match requests to guests. Obviously, not everyone gets what they want. Frequently, guests who say "yes" to a ready room then call or come by the front desk to complain that they don't like the room. Often, in fact, guests who get the type room they requested don't like the actual location: "I know it's a 1BR on a high floor with a view of the pool, but it's not as close to the elevator as I'd like."
Check out: Check out time is 11 a.m. While many/most guests do leave by 11, a significant portion of them don't, or they leave at, say, 11:20 because "that's close." Housekeepers can't start on a room until the guests have gone. Further, unless the guest stops in at the front desk on the way out (most don't) or calls the front desk to say they've left (again, most don't), the only way to know if a guest is gone is to knock...or wait until 11 at the earliest. If everyone were to stay as late as between 10 a.m. and 11 a.m. (which many do), then many rooms open up all at once. However, housekeepers can only take one room at a time, obviously. So, if Housekeeper A is assigned three 1BRs for cleaning that day, and she/he can't start on any of them until after 10 a.m., then the housekeeper's 8-9 hour day is pushed back, as well. So, yes, they do go around knocking on doors to see if guests have left so that they can get started cleaning sooner.
Trash Service: As noted, Disney began this daily check/service soon after the Las Vegas mass shooting. It's not always consistently applied though it is supposed to be done to every room, every day. Policy is these checks (called visuals) can't begin until 11 a.m. In a perfect world, they're done while guests are out of their rooms...obviously, that can't always happen. At a smaller resort, there may be as many as 60 visuals on one day, rarely fewer than 40. Housekeepers, as a general rule, do not do visuals, at least not those assigned to clean rooms that day. The visuals are done by a dedicated person (or two) who must follow the same procedure: knock and announce yourself; wait a few seconds; knock a second time and wait again; then knock a third time, wait, then if no one has come to the door, proceed to enter. The presence of a Room Occupied sign is not a deterrent. Technically, the person doing the visual/trash collecting should have the front desk call your room before proceeding if a Room Occupied sign is on the door, though I realize that doesn't always happen. Sometimes, the guest asks the visuals/trash person to come back at another time. Fair enough, but when you get that request from 8-10 different guests, then the timetable for completing these visuals becomes jumbled, often pushing the last one until the evening. Sometimes even, guests will engage this CM in a discussion about how stupid the policy is, that they don't like it, asking why it has to be done, etc., all the while talking to someone who has zero input on the policy and simply wants to do his/her job in a timely manner. Doing visuals does not in any way slow down the process of getting rooms cleaned--two different tasks by two different teams. Oh, and for the record, you might be amazed at the frequent instances when unsavory or illegal items have been discovered doing these checks during trash removal.
Issues affecting room readiness:
Dogs. Service animals are allowed. Any time a dog has been in a room, that room must be deep-cleaned with vacuum, carpet shampooer, steam mops, rolled with a giant lint roller, and often the couches/chairs must also be steam-cleaned. Sometimes areas have been soiled by the dog. All of that extra cleaning takes time, a lot of it, especially since they should allow for extra drying time.

Untidy guests. Most guests do a reasonable job of leaving the room in decent shape: dirty linens, towels, typical trash, dirty dishes. However, you might be surprised at the number of guests (DVC and non-DVC alike) whose room looks like a bomb went off in it. Food in the refrigerator, sinks and counters full of dirty dishes, paper strewn on the floor, sand and dirt in numerous locations where shoes were left haphazardly, overflowing trash cans, stains on couches/chairs, cushions of said couches and chairs on the floor (sometimes used as a bed for a "service" dog), dried food on the dining table and chairs, left behind air mattresses, dirty pack-n-plays, and more. Again, imagine the housekeeper who has three 1BRs on his/her schedule, and the first one doesn't come free until 9:30 a.m., and said housekeeper walks into a room as described above. The day just got longer.

Late check outs: Many guests request late check-out, and even if for an understandable reason such as a departure character breakfast reservation at 9 a.m., housekeepers can't get into that room until the guest leaves. Many others won't leave until right before or right after 11; some don't even leave until noon and Disney can't very well kick them out. In a small 120-room resort, and you have 40 people arriving on a particular day, if just 10 of those rooms leave between 10-11 or 11:30, then that creates a cascading affect on how soon rooms can be handled and cleaned.

Broken equipment. It happens. A dishwasher will leak, a leg on a table is loose and unstable, a refrigerator runs warm, and so on. These have to be fixed--if at all possible--before releasing a room to a guest.

All of this very long tome to say that while it may be "reasonable" to expect your room to be ready by 4 p.m., the reality is that if you have a room by 4 p.m. on most of your trips, that is due to the sheer tenacity of the CMs at any given time. Think about the times you have guests coming over to your house and you want to pick up, clean, and make things look good for them. Now, imagine that housekeepers have to not only do that but make sure the clean is as spotless as humanly possible since people get freaked out by a single hair in the shower at a hotel or timeshare. It's a tall task. If you wish to take Disney to task over their level of hiring, their pay structure, their organization of the housekeeping force, how it's run from the top down, the wording in the POS about room availability, what should constitute a reasonable expectation for the room to be ready, their IT, and other such issues, I say go for it. That is reasonable in itself. However, please don't focus any ire or disapproval or attitude about company policy on the actual CMs--they're just trying to do their jobs as best they can, day in and day out, servicing thousands of guests and their rooms each year.

If you've read this far, thank you. If not, I don't blame you! pirate:
 
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I read this far and basically everything you described sounds like a Disney problem aside from people choosing not to leave by 11am.

If they can't handle the scale of their own operation and the logistics of staffing and deployment, that's on them. I paid the amount of money they told me was needed to get this done.
 
I read this far and basically everything you described sounds like a Disney problem aside from people choosing not to leave by 11am.

If they can't handle the scale of their own operation and the logistics of staffing and deployment, that's on them. I paid the amount of money they told me was needed to get this done.
And people being lazy, slovenly pigs…
 
While we'd like to loll about more on checkout day, usually Saturday for us, we make every effort to get out before 9:00 a.m.

Doesn't kill us to be considerate of people who do a job you couldn't pay me Bob Chapek's income to do and get the hey out earlier than we actually prefer.
 
If you've read this far, thank you. If not, I don't blame you!

I haven’t seen a single person blame the front line staff or housekeeping staff for this. If they did, they were wrong and out of line. Your post is well informed and I’m guessing you worked as a CM or in hospitality in general. With that said, what you’ve described is quite literally the procedure of the hotel business that many, many thousands of hotels have successfully managed for almost a century. None of the challenges are unique to Disney, but I do appreciate you outlining the behind the scenes processes. I’ve stayed in many hotels during the pandemic. I’ve seen poorly cleaned rooms at high end hotels, spotless rooms in moderates, so that aspect is not unique to Disney, but I’ve never seen an issue with late check in that seems pervasive at Disney. I’m platinum and elite status at several chains and am usually given early check in and late check out. If they can manage it, why can’t Disney?
 
I haven’t seen a single person blame the front line staff or housekeeping staff for this. If they did, they were wrong and out of line. Your post is well informed and I’m guessing you worked as a CM or in hospitality in general. With that said, what you’ve described is quite literally the procedure of the hotel business that many, many thousands of hotels have successfully managed for almost a century. None of the challenges are unique to Disney, but I do appreciate you outlining the behind the scenes processes. I’ve stayed in many hotels during the pandemic. I’ve seen poorly cleaned rooms at high end hotels, spotless rooms in moderates, so that aspect is not unique to Disney, but I’ve never seen an issue with late check in that seems pervasive at Disney. I’m platinum and elite status at several chains and am usually given early check in and late check out. If they can manage it, why can’t Disney?

I agree. And to add, if requests being met or guest complaints are delaying other guests to have a room available at the 4 pm time, then that need to no longer be allowed and guests who are there get a room ready even if it was assigned to someone else.

Emergencies aside, I just don’t believe there should be as many rooms being that late as are reported.
 
We usually arrive fairly early in the day, so we are prepared for the room not being ready. We drop our things off with Bell Services and head out. I'll stop by the front desk and let them know that we are there, but that we'd rather have our room request met than getting the room earlier. We typically will spend the day at a park and then eat dinner there before heading to the resort for the night. Doing it this way eases the possibility that we start the vacation on a wrong note. I try really hard not to get myself upset at things on vacation.
 
I haven’t seen a single person blame the front line staff or housekeeping staff for this. If they did, they were wrong and out of line. Your post is well informed and I’m guessing you worked as a CM or in hospitality in general. With that said, what you’ve described is quite literally the procedure of the hotel business that many, many thousands of hotels have successfully managed for almost a century. None of the challenges are unique to Disney, but I do appreciate you outlining the behind the scenes processes. I’ve stayed in many hotels during the pandemic. I’ve seen poorly cleaned rooms at high end hotels, spotless rooms in moderates, so that aspect is not unique to Disney, but I’ve never seen an issue with late check in that seems pervasive at Disney. I’m platinum and elite status at several chains and am usually given early check in and late check out. If they can manage it, why can’t Disney?
Thanks for the kind words, and you are correct that no one specifically blamed CMs in this thread, and I should have made that clearer. It's also true that, in person, some guests do tend to adopt an attitude that since a CM is a representative of Disney, he/she is fair game. Obviously, that colored my comments.

I agree with most of what others have said on here that Disney should be able to do a better job. Totally believe that as well. However, one aspect that is different is that most hotel chains do not have suites with full kitchens, and those require an inordinate amount of time to clean and prep for arriving guests. Not an excuse, but it is a factor. I would also point out that while we DVC members believe we have an elite status that's not actually the case. Yes, we have a system set up just for us but mostly speaking, all DVC members are treated the same...as are cash guests who have no connection to DVC.

There is no reward for Disney, in general, or DVC, in particular, to ensure rooms will be ready by 4 p.m. We're locked in to our points. Disney could attempt to hire more CMs, and if they raised pay, likely could. Once more CMs were on board, Disney could set up a system that kept the number of rooms for each housekeeper to a minimum so that they could do a great job cleaning yet still finish on time. Disney could be stricter about the checkout time, could be stricter about service dogs, could actually play hard ball with guests who smoke in their rooms (which requires extra cleaning, too). They won't. They never will. As long as the percentage of rooms that come available by 4 p.m. remains high enough that an extensive apology, a small comp of a meal, or some other minor compensation will mollify a particular guest, Disney has no incentive to change.

Again, thanks for the positive feedback. :thumbsup2
 












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