House votes for Iraq Pullout

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US House votes for troop pullout

Some Republicans have broken ranks with the President on Iraq
The United States House of Representatives has voted in favour of pulling most combat troops out of Iraq by April next year.
The new legislation calls for the Pentagon to begin withdrawing combat troops within four months.

The vote comes despite President George W Bush's threat to veto any timetable.

Both the House and the Senate must pass separate legislation and then reconcile their two versions for a measure to be passed to the president.

Correspondents say the House of Representatives, controlled by the Democrats, is hoping to pressure the Senate to approve a similar timeline.

It is the third time this year the House has voted in favour of legislation to end US military involvement in Iraq.

One previous legislative push was vetoed by Mr Bush, while a second failed when the Senate voted twice against imposing a withdrawal timetable.

The latest attempt would allow some US forces to stay in Iraq to train the Iraqi army and carry out counter-terrorism operations.


Not even the White House can conclude there has been significant progress

"It is time for the president to listen to the American people and do what is necessary to protect this nation," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Democrat.

"That means admitting his Iraq policy has failed, working with the Democrats and Republicans in Congress on crafting a new way forward in Iraq and refocusing our collective efforts on defeating al-Qaeda."

Earlier, President Bush presented an interim report on Iraq which said there had been only limited military and political progress following his decision to send troop reinforcements earlier this year.

The security situation remains "complex and extremely challenging", the report said.

It added that the economic picture was "uneven" and political reconciliation lagging.

Mixed results

The report said the Iraqi parliament had failed to debate crucial legislation for the country's oil industry.

It also warned of "tough fighting" during the summer, saying al-Qaeda was likely to "increase its tempo of attacks".

KEY BENCHMARKS
Amend constitution to tackle regional issues
Give jobs to former ruling party members
Pass new law on sharing oil resources
Security forces to be even-handed


Benchmarks in full
Politicians ponder move

"The report makes clear that not even the White House can conclude there has been significant progress," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat. "We have already waited too long."

But Mr Bush rejected calls for a withdrawal of US forces, saying it would be disastrous.

He said troops would only be withdrawn when conditions were right, "not because pollsters say it'll be good politics".

The Iraqi ambassador to Washington, Samir Sumaidaie, told the BBC that the US had set an unrealistic timescale to solve Iraq's problems.

"The Iraqi government is working under extremely difficult conditions, not all of which were created by them. To say that we have failed and we are doomed to fail is defeatist," he said.

The BBC's James Coomarasamy in Washington says the most eagerly awaited reaction is yet to come - that of wavering Republicans who could determine whether or not Congress will try to force the president's hand.

Three Republicans in the Senate have broken ranks with the president and called for a phased troop withdrawal.

Several others have signed on as supporters of a bipartisan bill to implement a series of changes recommended last December by the Iraqi Study Group.

The Democrats will need support from the Republicans if they are to push the legislation through in a final Senate vote expected next week.
 
Blah blah blah, vetoed by Bush, "stay the course", lie to Americans some more, thousands more lose their lives, January 2009 - New President, insanity ends.
 
As happy as I was to hear that yesterday reality soon hit. I just don't think we will be leaving anytime soon. If we stay or leave there will be chaos. The decider will just sit at his big desk and say na na I'm not gonna sign anything. This man won't change course because he has never had a plan.He is buying time so that the next president will have to deal with the entire mess. We will be there for years. I'm sorry if this all sounds so negative but, I have had enough of the lives and money that has been lost on his venture.
 
I say We should do a SWAP. The whole Bush Admin for the Troops!:thumbsup

Bring the troops home, and send the whole Bush Admin there!
 

As happy as I was to hear that yesterday reality soon hit. I just don't think we will be leaving anytime soon. If we stay or leave there will be chaos. The decider will just sit at his big desk and say na na I'm not gonna sign anything. This man won't change course because he has never had a plan.He is buying time so that the next president will have to deal with the entire mess. We will be there for years. I'm sorry if this all sounds so negative but, I have had enough of the lives and money that has been lost on his venture.

I know it sounds negative, but sadly I think you're right. As long as he has veto power, he can just "stay the course" until January 2009. I don't envy the next President, that's for sure.
 
Good. And I thhink they should keep voting and keep voting and keep voting. And Bush can veto it every damn time until he gets blue in the face.
 
Yes, he will veto it again. And maybe one day his left over supporters will finally get it. This administration owns this debacle..No one else.
 
Why do even have the House of Represenatives vote on issues like this if the President can whatever he wants?:confused3
 
Yes, he will veto it again. And maybe one day his left over supporters will finally get it. This administration owns this debacle..No one else.


While he'll indeed veto this every time it comes up, keeping the pressure on him does send a message and it shows the world that we Americans are reaching our tolerance limit with this man.
 
While he'll indeed veto this every time it comes up, keeping the pressure on him does send a message and it shows the world that we Americans are reaching our tolerance limit with this man.

Until recently, I was a registered Republican. I finally got around to changing my affiliation to Independant about a month ago. I just got a phone call from the national republican something or other and I told the caller that I was no longer a republican because of the actions of this administration. Poor thing had NO idea how to respond to that! :lmao:
 
While he'll indeed veto this every time it comes up, keeping the pressure on him does send a message and it shows the world that we Americans are reaching our tolerance limit with this man.

Agreed, except one thing. This American reached my tolerance level well before the last election. ;)
 
Until recently, I was a registered Republican. I finally got around to changing my affiliation to Independant about a month ago. I just got a phone call from the national republican something or other and I told the caller that I was no longer a republican because of the actions of this administration. Poor thing had NO idea how to respond to that! :lmao:


Must have been a newbie! I would think by now the RNC would have a standard response answer to that in their FAQ book! :rotfl:
 
I say We should do a SWAP. The whole Bush Admin for the Troops!:thumbsup

Bring the troops home, and send the whole Bush Admin there!

Can't. Amnesty international would have a fit - cruel and unusual punishment.
 
Until recently, I was a registered Republican. I finally got around to changing my affiliation to Independant about a month ago. I just got a phone call from the national republican something or other and I told the caller that I was no longer a republican because of the actions of this administration. Poor thing had NO idea how to respond to that! :lmao:

To funny! I used to be an independant and have switched to democrat. After this administration and watching CSPAN everyday, I will never vote for a republican again. I NEVER voted for this ding bat.
 
Rice to Iraq policy critics: Give us a chance

Secretary of state pleads for time a day after House votes to pull out by '08


'WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice exhorted congressional critics of Iraq war policy Friday to give the Bush administration and the fledgling government in Baghdad until September to “make a coherent judgment of where we are.”

On the morning after the House voted 223-201 for a Democratic proposal to force a U.S. troop withdrawal by next spring, Rice acknowledged in a round of television interviews that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s government hasn’t achieved as much progress as the administration would like.

“But we shouldn’t just dismiss as inconsequential the progress that they have made,” the secretary said.
'...BLAH BLAH BLAH

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19742871/

I believe the American people HAVE MADE A COHERENT JUDGEMENT. Unfortunately this Admin has not.:guilty:
 


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