*** Homeschool List ***

Just started a thread to start the ball rolling.

The intent isn't to purposefully clog the boards--but when new topics come up, to try and post on a new thread (I placed OT-Homeschool and then what the topic was).
 
Does anyone know what it takes to get your own board? Is it the number of posts? Is it the number of request for a sepertae board? Is it everyone else not interested in your topic complaining about the space your taking up talking about it? I have never asked the mods for a seperate forum, so if that's what we have to do then I'll start doing that....or whatever it does take. When I read bear74's comment I didn't take it as a put-down to gays and lesbians. I believe I made a similar comment regarding the forum for dancing when your trip gets close. I don't have anything against them, I just couldn't believe that they qualified for a sub-forum and we don't. Hey I did the dance when my trip got down to single digits too. But when Teresa posted her comments, I went back and read it and undertsood how it could be taken that way. I think it was just an honest mistake on bear74's part. People do still make those right? Not everything is intentionally done.
 
We have homeschooled since day one. It would be nice to talk to other homeschoolers, but there are other forums for us, so it won't be the end of the world if we don't get one started.

It's nice to have Disney and homeschooling in common! :earsboy:
 
Personally, I decided to send an email to one of the webmasters making my request, explaining why I would like to see our own board. Have others done the same?
 

FWIW--I like the idea of having a board here among friends who can tip me off to other places.


I have not sent an e-mail as I personally haven't figured out how to do so who to whom to direct it.
 
heart4dis said:
...there are other forums for us...

Could someone direct me to another forum? I checked out Yahoo groups and looked at the one for Pennsylvania and just a couple others. None of them have very much "action" on them. I like that there are quick responses here. Anyway, is there another forum out there that is good (quick responses, lots of posts, kind and considerate, etc)?
 
I have posted an inquiry on this board before, because I am thinking about hsing DS for 1st grade next year. The other day I received a letter from his K teacher that she is planning to reccommend that he repeat Kindergarten!!! The reasons; he is having trouble sounding out middle sounds of words and writing these words. What!? He has a word list of about 30+ words he should know. Oh, his "math" skills are also not where they should be. I spoke with a hsing mom, her K student hasn't gotten a single word to WRITE yet, and wont for another 20 days or so. This teacher has 8 students in her class, and she has told me several times that she has had to work one on one with him. Isn't that the point? Argh.
 
ebarj1098 said:
This teacher has 8 students in her class, and she has told me several times that she has had to work one on one with him. Isn't that the point? Argh.

Boy, I bet there's lots of teachers out there that would LOVE to have only 8 kids in their class.

Do you know anyone who has a child in 1st grade? Or can you go to the school and request to see the 1st grade curriculum? Either way, it would be good to know what a K needs to know to be prepared for 1st grade. If it's something you feel comfortable with and you're want to stick with ps, then you could tutor your DS over the summer to prepare him if you think he needs it.

How does your husband feel about hsing? If it's really an option, then you could give it a try for this next year. What's the worst that can happen? Your DS would go back to ps and be in 1st grade - that's the same as if he stays in ps K next year.

IMHO, you may find that your DS needs to learn math differently than how it's being taught in ps. Are they using a lot of manipulatives? My DS loves to count (and add and subtract) skittles and m&ms and then, of course, eat them as he subtracts them :) Anyway, we started there and moved on to Math-U-See. I really like that program for young children.

I like to focus on making learning fun for my kids and help instill in them a true love of learning. It may be possible that your DS just isn't "into" school this year. Maybe it's the tests. Maybe too much sitting and not enough doing. For many kids, the workbook environment of ps just isn't the way they need to learn.

What type of problems is he having in math? Maybe we can give you some suggestions on what do to with that?

Does your DS know the sounds of all the letters? I like the Leap Frog videos and Leap Pad books as a supplement for that. There's also some really good computer games out there. Jumpstart computer games come to my mind. We have some Elmo/Sesame Street phonic games, too. All of these start with just the letters, but then moves into words. I also really like the "Bob" books. They are VERY simple reading, but it is reading.

Post more information and/or questions if you want. BTW - are you still possibly moving to another school district? They might interview or test your DS to see where he would fit.
 
Nuzmom--can you tell me more about math u see. Kind of a "this is what we do each day/this is how our lesson goes" type of thing? I am debating between that and Moving with Math.

Regarding getting our own forum--please please email the webmasters! Maybe we just need to harass them more. I have emailed twice and not ever received a response of any kind, which is kind of disheartening. FWIW, the moderator of this board did say that she felt there was room for all kinds of posts on this board when someone who is not a homeschooler was complaining about all the homeschooling posts awhile back. So, we have tacit approval to leave this thread and ask our questions on the Family Board itself.

ebarj--unfortunately in a lot of school systems, there is no room for learnign at your own pace or in a different way. My answer beyond that to you would be very homeschool biased, so that is about all I can tell you. :wave2:

Oh, that and that if DS was supposed to be writing words at this point in Kindergarten he would fail. He can write his name and I am quite pleased with that. When Kindergarten was created, it was not supposed to be academic in nature. But again, I really can't go any further........

As a funny note--I just got back from a visit with my 5 sisters, 6 of whom work in the school system in CA. They all think I homeschool because the schools in MN have such a silly set up, but what they don't know is that I would most likely homeschool if I lived there too! :rotfl:
 
Thanks!
Yes, we're still planning a move. We're looking everywhere from central WI to central MT, but hope to find a place by next fall. It is unlikely that we will be in this same school district, but I thought I'd address this holding back issue just in case we are.

I am thinking about trying hsing next fall anyway. Like you said, what's the worst that can happen? He goes back to ps. As far as my husband's position on hsing, he's been asking me about doing it since before the kids were born! I've dragged my feet about it, thinking I'd start training horses again once they were both in school.

The teacher said in her note (we have an appt Thurs to chat) that my son's math problems were his number identification and 'basic beginning principles'. We play crazy 8s though and he knows all the numbers. His other troubles are with writing words and getting the middle sound of these words. He does well with the initial sounds and I've had him write words like dad and dog. She also said he'd probably be doing better if he had gone to 4K. Sorry, but I don't believe you should send a 4 year old to school all day, 5 days a week unless they are very ready. And its not OK that the K curriculum should be based off what the kids learned in 4K, but that's exactly what this school does. 4K is not required, they can't expect every child to go. (Of course mine was the only one in his class that wasn't in 4K.)

I know that the way they are teaching is not the way he learns best. But he IS progressing. He's also terrified of "tests", and freezes when they tell him he's taking a test. I get many notes saying what he needs to work on, and that's great. But I don't think he should have to go to school all day, then Mom spends two hours doing school at home. Then he'd have supper, take a bath and go to bed. When would he play? Getting off the subject here, but he also won't wear tie shoes to school because he was "yelled at" for tying them wrong. He says everyone gets mad at him for tying too slow, or incorrectly. He does tie them, but does it his own way, and I guess that is not acceptable.

Is there separate curriculums for math, language, history, etc? Can you get one program that combines more than one? I'll have to go back through here to check for web sites listed that may help me find something. Thanks again!
 
Some of us here also post at sonlight.com. Sonlight sells a curriculum but you don't have to us it to go on their boards (though most posters use at least some of their stuff.) It is a predominately Christian group, although people still have many differences. You can stick to the academic stuff or get into all kinds of other discussions/debates if you like. We are new to hsing after many, many unhappy years in the ps system. My kids are all bright, the oldest two are gifted, but if you learn or think in any way "outside the box" they really can't accomodate you with so many kids in the class, and we were always in "great" school district. My oldest may go to a small Christian school next year but the younger 3 are happy at home for now. My ds10 hated school, he is smart but struggles with fine motor skills but no school we were in ever helped him. He was drowning in the paper work there, and don't get me started about the hours and hours of homework they ALL had from first grade on. YUK! I agree, it is nice to have hsing and Disney Love :love: in common!!!
 
Somehow I just lost my post. Sorry if this ends up being a duplicate.

ebarj1098 - You seem so "primed" for hsing. ::yes:: I totally agree with "when do they get time to play?". IMHO, you son seems like a totaly normal kindergartener to me. Really.

I also can understand thinking that you'd go back to training horses when they both went to school. Hsing TOTALLY changed our life. I am a mechanical engineer and made twice as much as my husband. Something major happened in our lives that caused me to quit, however, I was going to go back after my DS would be in 1st and 6th grades (we only have 1/2 day kindergarten). Now, I'm planning to work again after the youngest goes to college. We miss the money (our mortgage is based on both incomes) and I miss the adult interaction, the praise for a job well done, the "super woman" image, and the general intellectual challenges. It also surprised me at how differently people react when I answer the "what do you do" question with "I stay home (and homeschool my kids)" than when I would say "I'm a mechanical engineer". But, I would NEVER go back to the way it was. NEVER, EVER.

Also, just a thought to pass on. We have hsing friends that board horses. They started when the kids were 14, 12, 11, and 9. If you decide to hs, then maybe horse training is something you could still do?

Curriculum - for 1st grade, we used Konos and supplemented with MCP Plaid Phonics and Math-U-See math. Konos is unit studies focused on character building and covers science, reading, and history quite well. It is christian based, but you can leave out the bible studies if desired. I'm sure you'll get lots of different responses to the curriculum question.
 
:)
disneymom3 said:
Nuzmom--can you tell me more about math u see. Kind of a "this is what we do each day/this is how our lesson goes" type of thing? I am debating between that and Moving with Math.

Sure. I used Math-u-see for 2nd and 3rd grade with my DS9 and am now using it for my DS4. For DS9, I had the "old" Math-u-see (foundations). Best I can tell, it covered grades 1 through 3. Even though my DS had done very well in ps 1st grade, I started at the beginning of the book so he didn't miss anything. I was very glad I did because it's a very visual way of learning math. The big thing I noticed is that it teaches to NOT use your fingers to add and subtract. It teaches a more "adult" way of thinking - you learn certain fact's (doubles, 10's) and then everything else is related back to what you already know. For instance, we know that 8 wants 2 to become 10 (first introduced as 8 having 2 vacuum cleaning nozzles that sucks 2 over), so 8 sucks 2 over and becomes 10 and there's still 2 units left, so that's 1 ten and 2 units, that's 12. You use blocks to help SEE this happen.

I'm off track - With DS9 (2nd and 3rd grade), We would watch the teaching DVD together (only 2 to 5 minutes long and it covered 4 workbook pages). The he'd get his workbook while I glanced at the teachers manual. We'd get out his blocks and I'd make sure he understood what the video had introduced (there's a fair number of creative ideas in the teaching book for each lesson). I'd watch him do his workbook page. One workbook page usually took no more than 5 or 10 minutes. I'd have him do from 2 to 4 pages at a time.

At the beginning, they are taught how to "build" each problem with the blocks and then answer the problem. Only after completely understanding math with using the blocks did I let him start not using them. Oh, a great thing with Math-U-See is the skip counting CD. Kids learn to skip count by learning skip counting songs. We'd play the CD in the car - it was amazing how fast he learned to skip count. This laid a GREAT foundation for multiplication!!! Anyway, because of MUS, my DS can skip count by 4's, 9's, 7's, etc. It's great. Anyway, there's skip counting practice on the bottom of the workbook pages, so he'd fill in the missing numbers there. IMHO, MUS really forces kids to completely learn addition and multiplication and basically really understand that numbers represent something. They're not just funny looking letters, they represent quantities.

With DS4, I am using the Primer edition of math-u-see. My DS and I watch the DVD together (every 6 workbook pages, so about once per week) and then do the workbook. He has learned what 3 digits numbers mean and can say them properly (632 means there are 6 living in the hundreds castle, 3 living in the tens, and 2 in the units - ie, 6 hundreds, 3 tens, 2 units - pronounced 6 hundred 3 "t" 2). He has learned that adding means to "smush" blocks together and see what they match (equal). Because he's gone through that process to understand what's going on, he can now do all the +1's, 2+2, 3+3, 4+4, and 5+5 without blocks. He can count to 100 quite easily and I believe he could go to 999, but I'm usually wiped out listening to it by then :) . He can look at blocks that represent 3 digit numbers and tell me how many there are. He writes numbers sequentially up to 20. Remember, the numbers between 10 and 20 are a challenge because they aren't named in a way that makes sense. If 41 is four T one, and 61 is six T one, then why is 11 pronounced eleven and not one T one? When my DS4 has school (about 3 times a week), he usually does 2 pages. I really try to make him stop before he wants to, to keep his interest up. My DS has learned all of this with MUS and he's only just over 1/2 way through the primer edition.

A final comment, after DS9 completed MUS foundations (middle of 3rd grade), I switched to Saxon Math 54. I wanted more challenging word problems and a more textbook approach. It was difficult to switch from "workbook" to "textbook" and my DS struggled with having to rewrite so many problems. But, he's doing great and I attribute it to him having such a solid foundation from MUS. Truely, multiplication and division has been a breeze for him!!!!

I know I put a lot of information in this post. Hope it helps anyone who is interested.

disneymom3 - if you have questions about any specific area, let me know.
 
With disneymom3 asking about math-u-see, it reminded me of what my DS4 has said during these last few weeks that made me smile. I'm sure you all have heard the same, but it's still fun to share.

Here they are:

"mommy, can I pleeeeaaaase do school work today?" My reply - "well, I guess that's ok." To which he said "oh, THANK YOU mommy, THANK YOU!!!" and gave me hugs and kisses. :teeth:

"please can I do another page of math? Please, oh, please? Just one more, please?" My reply - "well, I guess just one more, but then that's it!!!!"

Hee, hee, hee, sometimes they just make you laugh.


laceemouse - thanks for the heads up about the sonlight forum. I'll check it out.
 
ebarj1098 said:
Thanks!
Yes, we're still planning a move. We're looking everywhere from central WI to central MT, but hope to find a place by next fall. It is unlikely that we will be in this same school district, but I thought I'd address this holding back issue just in case we are.

I am thinking about trying hsing next fall anyway. Like you said, what's the worst that can happen? He goes back to ps. As far as my husband's position on hsing, he's been asking me about doing it since before the kids were born! I've dragged my feet about it, thinking I'd start training horses again once they were both in school.

The teacher said in her note (we have an appt Thurs to chat) that my son's math problems were his number identification and 'basic beginning principles'. We play crazy 8s though and he knows all the numbers. His other troubles are with writing words and getting the middle sound of these words. He does well with the initial sounds and I've had him write words like dad and dog. She also said he'd probably be doing better if he had gone to 4K. Sorry, but I don't believe you should send a 4 year old to school all day, 5 days a week unless they are very ready. And its not OK that the K curriculum should be based off what the kids learned in 4K, but that's exactly what this school does. 4K is not required, they can't expect every child to go. (Of course mine was the only one in his class that wasn't in 4K.)

I know that the way they are teaching is not the way he learns best. But he IS progressing. He's also terrified of "tests", and freezes when they tell him he's taking a test. I get many notes saying what he needs to work on, and that's great. But I don't think he should have to go to school all day, then Mom spends two hours doing school at home. Then he'd have supper, take a bath and go to bed. When would he play? Getting off the subject here, but he also won't wear tie shoes to school because he was "yelled at" for tying them wrong. He says everyone gets mad at him for tying too slow, or incorrectly. He does tie them, but does it his own way, and I guess that is not acceptable.

Is there separate curriculums for math, language, history, etc? Can you get one program that combines more than one? I'll have to go back through here to check for web sites listed that may help me find something. Thanks again!

That's a shame you guys are going through all that. :(
Especially knowing your DS is progressing. I'm sure it's really frustrating.

Have you heard of, "Brain Quest"?

If not check out: www.brainquest.com. It's cards grouped according to age, it's a little system that is entertaining and portable. I found out exactly what my children know from using it. And it wasn't a chore. We're hooked!

It's a hodgepodge of bright fun pictures, stories, letters, sequencing, and "surmising" cards that are bound together. (that's for the younger ages, they have a host of products) Children answer questions or point out different aspects of stories. The answers are provided on the following "page". It's really cute!

Hope this helps in some small way. Sorry for what you are going through. Keep us posted. Good luck! :wizard:
 
(I was going to post this on the general board, but I chickened out.)

We are seriously considering getting rid of our son's gamecube. I'm beginning to think that my DS9 is actually addicted to playing. We've had the thing for about 1 year and previously had avoided the "gaming" thing completely. Well, now it seems like it's the only thing he really cares about.

Here's what we do: I have a chart for him where we use push pins to keep track of the gamecube time that he has earned. If he starts school work early, he can ask to play earlier. He is given 1/2 hour per day with extra time needing to be earned. 1/2 for changing kitty litter, 1/2 for folding white clothes, 1/2 for 1 hour of extra reading, etc. I can also take time away for bad behavior (he actually lost 3 days of playing today - it was a VERY bad day - he was going to get to play early if he got finished up early so that we could go get groceries early, well, he had to redo some work and got mad and did POOR work just to get to gamecube - poof, 3 days without gamecube). He can save his time from day to day and week to week. My DH and I retain VETO power and we can reward him with extra time and delete time as punishment.

At first, my DH and I thought that the gamecube would be a great tool for punishing and rewarding. More so as a reward. My DS9 is one of those "compliant" children. Always has been. He's just a good kid and doesn't need to be punished often. This was a way of rewarding the "extra" stuff he does.

Well, we have noticed a continual increase in his deep desire to play it. We kept thinking it would wear off, or it was because he had a new game, or he's "into" it with a friend, it's Christmas time, etc. But he has begun wanting to do nothing else unless it's tied to the gamecube. For instance, he loves going squirrel hunting with his dad (no flames, please) and gets very few chances to go. DH asked him if he'd like to go this past Friday because he had an unusual day off and it was warm. At first DS said no. When DH realized it was because he thought he'd get to play gamecube if he didn't go, DH made it clear that DS would need to help him with some outside work if he didn't go and that gamecube wasn't an option. Well, DS changed his story fast and then really wanted to go. The same thing happened with baseball lessons. He likes taking lessons (which are pretty pricey) and we were talking to him as to whether to splurge on them again this year or not. Well, he thought they were going to cut too much into his playing time and at first said no. After we talked a while and he realized that it wasn't that much time, he wanted to take them.

Does anyone have any experience with this?

We're actually becoming very concerned with this and have spoken to him about it. I don't know if we're overreacting. We may have accidentally given the gamecube more "power" than we should have, but now what?

Oh, btw, my DS (almost 5) plays a little but it's just another toy to him. He's more "take it or leave it".

Any help out there?
 
I am not sure why you feel so concerned about this. These games are designed to be very appealing to kids. They provide them with ever-increasing challenges, so they have a sense of mastery and accomplishment as they work through the levels. Most require strategy and skill development, and many have interesting and imaginative storylines as well. It's not at all surprising to me that a child would find them interesting and want to play them! To be limited to 30 minutes a day would be very frustrating, I think, because of the way the games are structured - he might just be getting to an exciting part, and stopping at that point could mean having to go back to the beginning of the level.

I do not use punishment, rewards or "consequences" in raising my children, but what I see happening here is what the research on using rewards says is typical. The "thing" given as a reward increases in value, and the activity that is being rewarded is decreased in value.

What if you tried just being more relaxed about the gaming - in other words, treating it as "just another toy?" If he has responsibilities that he needs to do, such as household chores or some specific school assignments, or personal needs such as outdoor exercise, then he would need to complete those, but the rest of the time would be his free time to use how he wants. If he chooses to play games in that time, then that is his choice.

Teresa
 
You know what Teresea? The previous poster was voicing an honest and heartfelt concern and needed encouragement and helpful advice- not a condescending dissertation on how you raise your children. You make it sound like you have finally attained what we can all only hope and dream for - being the perfect parent. Whatever your area of expertise, we are ALL still amateurs in this arena. Let's be a little more encouraging! You could have given the same advice without being so snotty.
 

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