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The last 2 times we've been to Disney we've gotten the DDP because we thought it was a better deal and for ease of use.

Based on how we've eaten the past few times we've gone and the prices on allears.net I finally priced out What it would be to pay OOP. Even with a $300 cushion for extra snacks and adult beverages (which I've been known to enjoy from time to time) paying OOP was LITERALLY $1000 less for the five of us. I thought it might be less, but I never thought it would be THAT much!
 
I go to WDW several times a year and have used the DDP or DxDDP every single trip, since the DDP has been introduced. I haven't paid OOP in years. However, for my upcoming solo Sept trip I'm thinking about getting out of my comfort zone and paying OOP:scared1:, just so I can eat at some restaurants that are not on the DDP. Besides wanting to eat at restaurants that do not accept the DDP, my problem is that neither the DDP nor the DxDDP really fit the way I eat. I'm not much of a snacker so always have snack credits left over to use up on my last day. I like very few CS restaurants, really preferring to relax in a TS, but the DxDDP is too much. I'm not a breakfast eater, but do not want to have to eat at a signature restaraunt every night just to use up the credits plus some meals I'd just rather have two appetizers rather than an appetizer and an entree.

As an AP holder I qualify for the TiW card, but since most of my trips are solo, don't know if it'd be worth it.:confused3 I'm leaning toward just using my AP discounts where I can and not worrying about the rest of them. I refuse to skimp when I'm dining out on vacation and plan to order whatever I'm in the mood for. I've been using the DDPs so long that I don't even look at the prices. Paying OOP I'm afaid I might be tempted to.:rotfl:
 
It really didn't fit the way we were eating last trip either. There were some days where we just weren't hungry enough to eat lunch or dinner, but because we've already paid for them we felt like we HAD to eat them. Whereas if we paid OOP we could skip the meal, have a snack instead, or have something in our room when we got back. That would, I think, save a ton of money, stress, and belly aching of the literal and figurative type.

And when I did the math I had us eating breakfast in the room unless we have a character breakfast (which is what we normally do) and one TS and one CS per day on average. On average because I'd rather eat at two TS restaurants at Epcot and two CS restaurants at MK. So I'd probably save even MORE money that that $1K because I didn't account for meals we'd likely skip due to simply not wanting to eat them!
 
The last 2 times we've been to Disney we've gotten the DDP because we thought it was a better deal and for ease of use.

Based on how we've eaten the past few times we've gone and the prices on allears.net I finally priced out What it would be to pay OOP. Even with a $300 cushion for extra snacks and adult beverages (which I've been known to enjoy from time to time) paying OOP was LITERALLY $1000 less for the five of us. I thought it might be less, but I never thought it would be THAT much!

The dining plans are way overrated IMO and have diminished the dining experience at WDW since they was introduced. We have never used any of the plans and have never spent as much money on food as we would have to if we had the DDP. Glad you found a better alternative. I'm amazed at how many people swear they are getting a deal with that plan. I personally think it's way too much food, way too many cheap desserts, and just not worth the time.
 

I'm really blown away. I mean we go every other year for 2 weeks (or make every effort to). That extra thousand dollars basically pays for week two in the hotel!
 
I found for us we pretty much break even with the DDP (unless we go during free dining). I've save my receipts and have been within $25-$50 of what we would have spent paying out of pocket. We've had multiple trips so we prefer to tour at a slower pace and really enjoy at least one TS meal a day. For me, its the convenience of having the majority of the food paid for upfront.
 
I would never pay for any dining plan. We just don't eat that much food. FD is fun but after a while you just can't eat any more desserts or snacks.
 
It really didn't fit the way we were eating last trip either. There were some days where we just weren't hungry enough to eat lunch or dinner, but because we've already paid for them we felt like we HAD to eat them. Whereas if we paid OOP we could skip the meal, have a snack instead, or have something in our room when we got back. That would, I think, save a ton of money, stress, and belly aching of the literal and figurative type.

And when I did the math I had us eating breakfast in the room unless we have a character breakfast (which is what we normally do) and one TS and one CS per day on average. On average because I'd rather eat at two TS restaurants at Epcot and two CS restaurants at MK. So I'd probably save even MORE money that that $1K because I didn't account for meals we'd likely skip due to simply not wanting to eat them!
Glad that you found this out :). It's always best to do what works best for you, rather than trying to fit your trip into one of Disney's plans.

I toiled for awhile over the math before last year's trip, and with what I wanted to do, I did see that I'd be coming out ahead on DxDDP. During the trip, I input the actual amounts into the same spreadsheet, and by day 7 of my 9 day trip, I had broken even and then some (I stopped at that point ><). The difference between what I'd do OOP and on DxDDP was in the range of $250, which I felt was worth it for the enhanced experiences I'd be doing on Deluxe.

The dining plans are way overrated IMO and have diminished the dining experience at WDW since they was introduced. We have never used any of the plans and have never spent as much money on food as we would have to if we had the DDP. Glad you found a better alternative. I'm amazed at how many people swear they are getting a deal with that plan. I personally think it's way too much food, way too many cheap desserts, and just not worth the time.
I say it all the time, the plans work if, and only if, you already plan on dining (at least almost) that way to begin with. If you are booking and eating just to burn up credits, then you're letting the plan take control. In other words, pick the plan that fits your trip, rather than fitting your trip to the plan. They do work well (especially DxDDP) if your trip is already aiming in that direction, not so much if it's not your style (which is absolutely fine!)

As I mentioned above, math is really needed now a days to figure out what is the best deal, and that does include comparing different itineraries. Would you get dessert if it wasn't included? If not, then it's not really a savings. However, there's a point where experience trumps raw numbers. Would you prefer to get a dessert, but you normally wouldn't simply due to cost? If so, add that dessert to the savings.

I think a lot of the real proponents of the different plans really try very hard to get that point out to people as well (ok, not the "official" proponents, but those on boards like this one). I know more than a few of us here try to use the reality ("Are you really going to eat that?") rather than just the potential savings to steer people in the right direction.

For myself, both last trip (that I mentioned above) and this trip, I know that DxDDP is saving me over what I'd do on the same exact schedule. I could get off for quite a bit cheaper (~$350 this year) if I went full OOP, but I'd also be missing out on quite a bit (my OOP itinerary this year was a bit more frugal than last year's). Once again, I believe that the extra $350 is worth it for the upgraded experiences (my DxDDP should be costing me around $1000 total (incl. tips and extras), if I went OOP on that schedule, I'd be paying ~$1,146 incl. tax and tip).

Regarding quality, I believe that the decline in quality and the dining plans are both effects rather than the plans being the cause. The cause of reduced profitability suggested that Disney increase volume, the effect of this was the dining plan. The profitability was still too low (in their eyes), so they cut back on the entitlements (loss of app and tip on DDP) and trimmed the fat off their menus (loss of some of the more "exotic" dishes) and ingredients (general reduced quality all around).

Of course, that's my personal speculation and since I was not around Disney for 17 years, it's simply based on anecdotal evidence ("Pre-DDP I could just walk in anywhere I wanted" suggests low volume), logic ("What would I do if I were faced with low profitability from restaurants?" "Try to get more people in the seats"), and my speculation (combining the two above, as well as treating quality as the "last resort"). I do understand that some restaurants did cut back based solely off the dining plans (I know San Angel was complaining of this and pointing to the reason their quality took a dive a couple years ago), but again, faced with walk-in status 90% of the time, they'd likely be doing the same cutbacks anyway (no increased volume means they'd have to cut elsewhere).

The sad fact is that the end result is the same though, and I think we can both agree on that (it's just the route it took to get there that differs). We now have super-busy restaurants with less than stellar quality (although, from my own experience, I have (almost) no complaints).

At any rate, I'm chatty today, so apologies for the huge block of text there :p. I guess it's just my long winded way of saying "Do the math!", "The plans CAN work", and the strange need to get my personal speculative beliefs on the perception of reduced quality, and actual reduced offerings in the restaurants.
 
Great points from posters on this thread! The dining plan only works with certain vacation "styles".

For us, we enjoy, and get value from, the deluxe plan, but only have two meals a day. We arrive early the first day and leave late our last, so the extra credits (since you get them "per night") come in handy on those days.

We use snack credits for breakfast, and then do a 1 credit and a signature restaurant just about every day. We always have tons of snack credits left over, but we look forward to shopping in "Germany" before we leave as that store has some great take-home snacks, especially the many Haribo varities!

Anyway, this thread is very useful and it's nice to see that people take the time to actually work out what benefits their family instead of blindly forking over money for a dining plan! For us, we love to experience, and take a relaxing break at, the restaurants (especially the signatures) at WDW but, obviously, not everyone feels the same way.
 
I've read so many of these posts and they all seem to have good points for the pros as well as the cons, that I can see both sides! LOL However, because of my personal dietary restrictions and eating habits of our family, I wouldn't do the DP because I don't (can't) do desserts (generally, we all don't much WITH a meal) it would be more of a snack dessert and I would do fruit or something else. The perfect plan for me would be 2 snacks, 1 CS instead of two then I would OOP a TS meal. (One can dream, can't they?)

As one PP said, I'd feel tied to a "plan" and wouldn't enjoy that feeling. If you have boys (grown or teenage) who can devour a lot of chow, then I can definitely see the benefit, to be sure. I can also see the benefit to making your vacation nearly "all-inclusive" w/deluxe wine & dine. Only thing would be gratuities. Sometimes people just want to pay for convenience and it isn't necessarily 100% value. I try to fly between the two!

**Edit, also my DD7 would be tired of the child's menu after 2 days. She's not a chk finger, mac n cheese, etc kid. It would be tough on her.
 
The dining plan is great if you have kids under 10 and are eating a lot of expensive table service meals or you just eat a LOT of meals. I don't know how people do 2 table service meals a day. I'd explode. Then again I'm 6'1", 145 pounds and very healthy. I don't eat dessert so thats just where the DDP goes poorly for us.
 
I can definately see both sides of the dilemma. I have gone to WDW without any DP, with a basic DP and with DlxDP. Although we choose to do the DlxDP, I often think it would be nice to just not deal with deciding where to go ahead of time...but then I would never eat at a TS restaurant as most require ressies anyway.

As a single mom, I prefer the ability to pay for all our meals upfront...it just feels more comfortable. I also like not having to worry about every single snack my dd9 wants. I am definately the type to look at every penny being spent and not really enjoy myself.

Additionally, I usually take my mother who prefers sit-down meals and a break out of the heat. That coupled with the fact that everyone looks to me to make all the decisions anyway, its kind of nice having made the decisions of where ahead of time (a little mini vacation with a vacation :laughing:)...that leads me to the DlxDP once again.

If it were just me and DD9, I would probably try no DP or QSDP as we could definately move at a faster pace (I would probably do beach club too...but that's another story!). However, as we enjoy my mothers company and want the trip to be comfortable for everyone, we do the DlxDP.

I just think you need to weigh your personal Pros and Cons to find what works best. No matter what you choose, you will have chosen what is best for your and your family.
 
It can work for certain families and not for others. When my sister and I started to plan this trip with kept going back and forth if we should get the dining plan or not.

We had already planned to go to Mickey's BBQ, Hood Dee Doo, CRT, Crystal Palace, Biergaten and 50's Prime time. So when free dining came up and it was the time frame we had booked already - we jumped right on. But that is what works for us since we were already doing all these dinner shows.
We upgraded to Deluxe and it really is short money for our food. So it works out great for us. If they did not offer the free dining then I am not sure which way we would have gone.

I guess we would have done the math and if we at least broke even or ahead then it would have been a no brainer.
This way we are going to be way ahead just because of the dinner shows we were doing anyway. I booked everything yesterday (my 180 day mark) and got everything I wanted - so we are all very happy and looking forward to our magical vacation!!!
 
It's definately a better deal for those with under 10's. I know for us, most of the dinners we have planned are more expensive than the cost for the meal plan that day for our DS. So we not only save a few $$ on his dinner but lunch and that day's snack are pure savings. We are doing mostly buffets and family style because we have an under 3 as well. The DDP fits what we like to do quite well. We fall into the category of wouldn't buy desserts or drinks at every meal due to cost but would like them. So paying up front gives us the freedom to "live it up" so to speak by ordering whatever we want without looking at the price, getting drinks and dessert too. It feels like a real vacation. And I suppose I'd even pay a little more for that feeling, however, I know we are saving money especially because of our under 10. Everyone has different priorities and for us the DDP is perfect. I can see how it isn't a great deal for some. Once my 4 yo is 10, I might feel very differently because he's a light and picky eater.
 
The Dining Plan works for us right now too for 3 reasons:

We primarily do Character Meals and things like Ohana and LeCelier.

My DH eats a lot and really likes 1 TS a day.

I am extremely budget-minded and I am able to relax a lot more knowing that things are mostly paid for. Then, if we want it, we get it. If it's on the DP-great. If not, we pay OOP for it. If we didn't have to DP, I would be counting every penny. It makes it much easier for me to completely relax on vacation!
 
I'm currently running the numbers and I did it twice under the old plan when app and gratuity was included but have not done it since. I think I might feel pressured to eat at certain places instead of just eating where I really want.
 
We save a LOT of money by using the dining plan. But that is really only because we usually go in August/September when it is crazy hot/humid and we all really value the time spent inside in air conditioning and enjoying a good meal. My wife and I do not eat desserts, but our DSs (8 and 5) do. As for snack credits - we tend to use them for pastries in the morning or ice pops or smoothies as a mid-day cool-down snack. We usually end up with zero remaining credits.

As far as the concern that you won't get to eat where you want - let me say that the main reason we get the dining plan is so that we can eat exactly where we want. There are a ton of great dining options available on the DDP. I like knowing that I will enjoy one relaxed meal a day, plus having flexibility to grab a counter service meal wherever we feel like.

All this said, if we were to go another time of year when the weather is not so uncomfortable, I would probably not pay for the DDP (as we would prefer quick meals for the most part).
 
We have used it only once, and at the time both kids were still considered kids and after the trip we figured it up and actually saved almost $1000 by using the plan. That being said, the past 3 trips we have paid out of pocket and if we manage it right, can still come out to the good, mainly because we stay at the campground and have breakfast and snacks there so the only real meal we eat is dinner. We have reservations to go in July and have the Delux Dining Plan this time only because we got a pin for Free DP. Looking forward to the meals and seeing how much it actually saves us. I agree with previous post, it depends on your family's eating habits. We always used the CS for a mid morning brunch and then TS for dinner that night, I think we used a couple for a Character Dining but, to each his own.
 
We've done the regular DDP and OOP with me, DH, DD (when she was 5) and DS (when he was 2)...we spent about the same on DDP vs OOP. We ate a little too much on DDP since the desserts are pre-paid and I ate them a bit too often, but we were a little more relaxed on DDP whereas OOP it hurt to pay the high prices when I actually did want the dessert or extra bottled drink, etc., even though the total amount spent was about the same. Now that DS is 3, the DDP is most likely the best way for us. The cost of character meals which we like with the kids is very pricy so that alone makes the DDP a deal for the kids since they also get a CS and snack basically free for the day...which helps to offest the cost for DH and me. DD's CS is also more expensive when we pay OOP because she needs gluten free meals and not all CS locations have gluten free meals (like pizza, mac & cheese) in child size portions, so several locations charged us an adult price such as $8-10 for her CS meals...on the DDP they just counted as a credit. I can't see the DDP working for us when they are 10+, but I guess we will see how big their appetites are by then :)
 
The dining plans are way overrated IMO and have diminished the dining experience at WDW since they was introduced. We have never used any of the plans and have never spent as much money on food as we would have to if we had the DDP. Glad you found a better alternative. I'm amazed at how many people swear they are getting a deal with that plan. I personally think it's way too much food, way too many cheap desserts, and just not worth the time.
I'm amazed that someone who has NEVER used the Disney Dining Plan can give a critique of the Disney Dining Plan and say they are overrated? Also, I really don't understand the statement that Disney Dining has been diminished becuase of the Dining Plan. We have been eating at Disney for years, pre and post Disney Dining Plan and the food was good then and it's good now.

I agree that the DDP is not for everyone, but it has always saved us money when we have purchased it. Usually about $300.00 vs. out-of-pocket and we also like the convenience of it.
 

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