Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

["Got Disney"]

Oh, and if any of you really think McCain is this great uniter who will work both sides, will take no actions that will not be for the good of all of us regardless of which party we are on, and will only appoint moderate federal judges, then why the heck are you not just supporting him now?

Uniter ? I did not read that....and who said moderate judges? and can we not think someone is not the devil in carnet because their issues are different? Is that not what we keep telling the REP about Hillary and Obama?

I have not read anyone say any of what you said.... I'm confussed?

 

[wvjules]

me too-especially when I saw how the vote broke down in PA.

Side note-I really was upset to hear that 7/10 Hillary voters in PA said race was a factor in their selection. Everyone has a right to the candidate of their choice, of course-but it makes me sad that in 2008 race is still a factor. I don't know if they asked Obama voters if gender was a factor-I'd be interested in those results.

Of course race is an issue. One of the exit polls last night on CNN (maybe) said that 92% of blacks voted for Obama. I think there are more black voters voting FOR Obama because he is black than white voters NOT voting for him because he is. Whether we, as open-minded DISers, would like to think race and/or gender isn't an issue, IT IS and thats the reality.

ETA: I'm going to regret ever posting this but here it goes....if Obama were a white man, he would be a candidate that RAN for President.

 

[chobie]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24673909]Uniter ? I did not read that....and who said moderate judges? and can we not think someone is not the devil in carnet because their issues are different? Is that not what we keep telling the REP about Hillary and Obama?

I have not read anyone say any of what you said.... I'm confussed?[/QUOTE]


Yes, there has been comments that Obama will do more harm to the country then McCain if POTUS because McCain has shown he can work with both sides. Yes, people have said they are not concerned about McCain's appointments to the federal bench.

Yes, there are people here trying to convince themselves that McCain would be a better choice than Obama and are not worried about the courts, McCain's veto power or the fact that McCain is against everything that their candidate is for.

You should be confused.

 

["Got Disney"]

Yes, there has been comments that Obama will do more harm to the country then McCain if POTUS because McCain has shown he can work with both sides. Yes, people have said they are not concerned about McCain's appointments to the federal bench.

Yes, there are people here trying to convince themselves that McCain would be a better choice than Obama and are not worried about the courts, McCain's veto power or the fact that McCain is against everything that their candidate is for.

You should be confused.

What I meant by confusion is that I did not read all that. Lets just Face it we all have our likes and dislikes of all 3 candidates...some stronger than others. But remember right or wrong on what we think the other should think does not make it that we are right. WE are honest with how we each feel about it ourselves. WE stick to our power of thought and beliefs not anyone else's and we like to hang with those that agree with us because it makes for less conflict and a warm comforting feeling that someone else feels as we do.

That does not make what we believe right or wrong...it only makes it "what we believe" to be true..

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

Side note-I really was upset to hear that 7/10 Hillary voters in PA said race was a factor in their selection. Everyone has a right to the candidate of their choice, of course-but it makes me sad that in 2008 race is still a factor. I don't know if they asked Obama voters if gender was a factor-I'd be interested in those results.

I'm a little more upset that someone posts a 'fact' on a message board and other people accept it as fact without looking it up.

80% of people in the CNN exit polls said race wasn't a factor.

But 5 out of 7 Obama supporters believe in human sacrifice.

 

[chobie]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24674284]What I meant by confusion is that I did not read all that. Lets just Face it we all have our likes and dislikes of all 3 candidates...some stronger than others. But remember right or wrong on what we think the other should think does not make it that we are right. WE are honest with how we each feel about it ourselves. WE stick to our power of thought and beliefs not anyone else's and we like to hang with those that agree with us because it makes for less conflict and a warm comforting feeling that someone else feels as we do.

That does not make what we believe right or wrong...it only makes it "what we believe" to be true..[/QUOTE]



No, its a fact that McCain stands against every thing your candidate stands for. It's almost 100% certain he will nominate conservatives to the bench and that he will veto legislation that clearly is liberal leaning.


Sure people can "beleive" otherwise --and they can also "believe" in the tooth fairy. But there is a right and a wrong and supporting a Republican over a Democrat because you don't think he will act like a Republican once in office, is wrong, and short-sighted and basically cutting off one's nose.

 

["Got Disney"]

No, its a fact that McCain stands against every thing your candidate stands for. It's almost 100% certain he will nominate conservatives to the bench and that he will veto legislation that clearly is liberal leaning.


Sure people can "beleive" otherwise --and they can also "believe" in the tooth fairy. But there is a right and a wrong and supporting a Republican over a Democrat because you don't think he will act like a Republican once in office, is wrong, and short-sighted and basically cutting off one's nose.

Of course he will and would expect no less...same goes for Hillary or Obama. And your right and that is why I am for a DEM in office and not a REP.
and as for your second paragraph....just because you feel the way you do makes it no less true than how I feel or anyone else feels. It is what it is...you may like Chinese food and I like Mexican food. If you hate Mexican and I hate Chinese does not make it right or wrong just difference in taste.

WE all have our likes,dislikes and thoughts depending on our parents , friends and way we are brought up and where we grew up and so on and so on...one doesnt not make right the others opinions.

An opinion is an opinion a fact is in the eyes of the beholder. Just like the Bible. It is said to be fact yet everyone interprets it's words differently.

 

["Got Disney"]

New SD today....http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/apr/23/rep-tanner-endorses-clinton/

Also...we need to so something about FL and MI.

More People Have Voted For Hillary Than Any Other Candidate: “After last night's decisive victory in Pennsylvania, more people have voted for Hillary than any other candidate, including Sen. Obama. Estimates vary slightly, but according to Real Clear Politics, Hillary has received 15,095,663 votes to Sen. Obama's 14,973,720, a margin of more than 120,000 votes. ABC News reported this morning that ‘Clinton has pulled ahead of Obama’ in the popular vote. This count includes certified vote totals in Florida and Michigan.”

 

[LuvDuke]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24675544]New SD today....http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/apr/23/rep-tanner-endorses-clinton/

Also...we need to so something about FL and MI.

More People Have Voted For Hillary Than Any Other Candidate: “After last night's decisive victory in Pennsylvania, more people have voted for Hillary than any other candidate, including Sen. Obama. Estimates vary slightly, but according to Real Clear Politics, Hillary has received 15,095,663 votes to Sen. Obama's 14,973,720, a margin of more than 120,000 votes. ABC News reported this morning that ‘Clinton has pulled ahead of Obama’ in the popular vote. This count includes certified vote totals in Florida and Michigan.”[/QUOTE]

From RealClearPolitics.com:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)** 14,993,348 47.4% 15,116,076 47.8% Clinton +122,728 +0.4%

**(Senator Obama was not on the Michigan Ballot and thus received zero votes. Uncommitted was on the ballot and received 238,168 votes as compared to 328,309 for Senator Clinton.)

I'd say that cuts through the BS and makes it real clear.

 

[DISUNC]

Obama Disputes Clinton's Popular Vote Count


"Barack Obama says it's an "abstract measure" to count votes in Michigan and Florida, whose contests were essentially nulled by the Democratic National Committee when the states violated party rules and moved their primaries ahead of others in the election calendar.

"There have been a number of different formulations that the Clinton campaign has been trying to arrive at to suggest that somehow they're not behind," Obama told reporters following a town hall meeting in New Albany, Indiana, "If you want to count them for some abstract measure, you're free to do so. But, you know, the way that the popular vote is translated is into delegates, that's how these primaries and these caucuses work."

"At his earlier event in Indiana, Obama responded to a question on superdelegates saying, "I do think that these elections that we've been doing should be counted for something, and if we've won the most delegates from the voters, seems to me that it might be a good idea to make me the nominee."

he also said ""Nobody has complained more about the press, about questions at debates, about being mistreated than Senator Clinton has or President Clinton," the candidate said, quickly adding, "I've always believed that if you're tough you don't have to talk about it."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/obama-disputes.html

Its a good thing barack Obama knows how too count too, so he can tell us what WE need to do!
Now I just wish he can understand what a Superdelegate is suppose to do.....He dont seem to GET THAT!

SD is suppose to vote BEST for the Party, NOT who has the most votes. If the latter was true...Why have the SD's too begin with?

Isnt he the one who when finally asked some tough questions, took his sand pail and went home?

 

[Hound 109]

I would say they are both equal to me. Ineffective does not always equal harmless.

Now on to a mini-rant.

I am so tired of hearing about how Hillary needs to drop out for the good of the Democratic Party. I think they mean for the good of their candidate. If they were really interested in the good of the party - we would be looking at a Clinton/Obama ticket that after 8 years would lead him straight into another 8 years at the top of the ticket with another up and coming Dem as HIS VP. And so on...

And could someone please detail for me how Hillary has been SO negative? I have been a student of politics since - well since I was a Poli Sci major in college. This primary has been TAME as far as the campaigns themselves. Where I am seeing a difference is in the supporters. Part of what I do not like about Obama is how negative and nasty his supporters are - isn't he supposed to be all about Hope and Change? Somehow the OS didn't quite get that memo. Talk about tearing down a fellow Dem - where was I when Bill Clinton was the worst president ever? I remember him being pretty darn good. I remember other Dems agreeing with me! I can't even read over on DU anymore. Makes the OS here on DIS look like fuzzy little puppies. If negativity and nastiness is what his leadership inspires - well no thanks.

Another thing - what is he going to change again? Oh yeah - how they do politics in DC. I am assuming that since he was a constitutional law professor - he should know a little about how that works. And that much of that is handled by the legislative branch of our government - not the executive. So - how many Senators and Representatives does he have on board for this change? He is going to need a large majority to not only agree but to actually participate in this change. With that - he will need some kind of leverage - a way to hold their feet to the fire so to speak (I mean why would they just voluntarily give up a golden goose?). I know - he could use the threat of them being voted out of office by their constituencies! That is if he can get the American people to 1) learn who their people in Congress are in the first place and 2) pay as close attention to the mid-term elections as they do the presidential (mini-snort here). Then find someway to stop the multi-million dollar ad campaigns from influencing them. (Huge snort - major chuckle - totally )

Whew! Wiping my eyes and trying to get my breath back. Yeah - I know. I will stop here. I will never have much of a career in writing fantasy novels - will I?

Nice post.


hound <---took a month off of the community board, but wanted to check back in with those who admire a "tough chick".

 

[DISUNC]

I'm a little more upset that someone posts a 'fact' on a message board and other people accept it as fact without looking it up.

80% of people in the CNN exit polls said race wasn't a factor.

But 5 out of 7 Obama supporters believe in human sacrifice.

Let me quess as to who the first human sacrifice they want to be is!!!!

 

["Got Disney"]

Obama Disputes Clinton's Popular Vote Count


"Barack Obama says it's an "abstract measure" to count votes in Michigan and Florida, whose contests were essentially nulled by the Democratic National Committee when the states violated party rules and moved their primaries ahead of others in the election calendar.

"There have been a number of different formulations that the Clinton campaign has been trying to arrive at to suggest that somehow they're not behind," Obama told reporters following a town hall meeting in New Albany, Indiana, "If you want to count them for some abstract measure, you're free to do so. But, you know, the way that the popular vote is translated is into delegates, that's how these primaries and these caucuses work."

"At his earlier event in Indiana, Obama responded to a question on superdelegates saying, "I do think that these elections that we've been doing should be counted for something, and if we've won the most delegates from the voters, seems to me that it might be a good idea to make me the nominee."

he also said ""Nobody has complained more about the press, about questions at debates, about being mistreated than Senator Clinton has or President Clinton," the candidate said, quickly adding, "I've always believed that if you're tough you don't have to talk about it."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/obama-disputes.html

Its a good thing barack Obama knows how too count too, so he can tell us what WE need to do!
Now I just wish he can understand what a Superdelegate is suppose to do.....He dont seem to GET THAT!

SD is suppose to vote BEST for the Party, NOT who has the most votes. If the latter was true...Why have the SD's too begin with?

Isnt he the one who when finally asked some tough questions, took his sand pail and went home?

He is not good and the Q&A game....he stumbles to much when answering a question unlike a rehearsed speech. He needs to get better at that or during the general, when him and McCain are having at it, he will look like a fool. He is a very smart man who trips over his words to often.

And you betcha that Mccain's campaign will be using this to there best advantage. And by making him look stupid. or inexperienced.

 

[LuvDuke]

Let me quess as to who the first human sacrifice they want to be is!!!!

Some guy with green hair.

 

[chobie]

Thanks guys for the discussion today. I took a couple hours off to think about it all, and you're right. McCain is not that bad, and if Roe gets overturned, I will always have enough money to send my daughter to another country should she need an abortion. As for health care, my DH and both have state jobs and probably will for life, so our family's health care is taken care of.

So, I finally decided I won't vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination. Her crying to get votes, whining about the media, and constant negativity has disgusted me beyond belief. Now that some of you here have pointed out that McCain really is not the worst outcome of this election, I can finally feel good about not voting for the Democratic candidate.

I will stop posting here now.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I'm a little more upset that someone posts a 'fact' on a message board and other people accept it as fact without looking it up.

80% of people in the CNN exit polls said race wasn't a factor.

But 5 out of 7 Obama supporters believe in human sacrifice.

Gee, the other day when someone tried to clarify facts, they got their heads handed to them here. I just figured it wasn't necessary to research facts, because they really don't matter anyway.

 

[Dolce27]

Hillary cannot win by attacking McCain and she cannot win by not attakcing McCain. McCain has just made it clear he will not tolerate attack ads. I don't think she can take on McCain without going complelety negative on him. Every poll shows that people just plain like McCain better than Hillary (and Obama for that matter but by a smaller margin),

Now that Hillary has come out praising McCain, how can she go about attacking him?

I'm currently playing catch-up on this thread right now.. so, I'm answering this while being a bit behind the discussion:

The bolded part is interesting since I've already heard about a doozie (is that a word?) of a negative attack ad the Republicans are planning against Obama should Obama make it to the general election.

.. and trust me, regardless if it's Clinton or Obama up against McCain in November - there's going to be some serious negative campaigning by the Republicans against the Democratics in this election.

Oh, and the last poll that I saw (I don't recall right now which one) it had Clinton had a higher % chance of winning the general election against McCain than Obama.

 

[JARNJ3]

Came across this from Huffington Post - which is slightly off putting.......

I wonder if I'm considered part of the white working class? If so - I've voted democratic my whole life (except the John Anderson year.....)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/23/obama-strategist-dont-wor_n_98301.html

During an interview with NPR, Obama's top strategist David Axelrod played down his candidate's loss in Pennsylvania.

"The white working class has gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, going back even to the Clinton years," Axelrod said. "This is not new that Democratic candidates don't rely solely on those votes."

He also said winning Pennsylvania was "an almost impossible task" and "a home game" for Clinton. "It hasn't changed the fundamentals of the race."

During a CNN Radio interview, however, Obama himself acknowledged that his campaign needed to work harder to win that demographic:

Obama argued that his campaign had laid the groundwork for the fall in a large swing state that the eventual Democratic nominee will need to win.

"Overall we feel good about the work that we did," he said on CNN Radio.

Obama conceded, however, that he still must do a better job reaching out and attracting blue collar, older voters. He said that Clinton's argument that she has more experience "might have more traction" with those voters.

 

[Dolce27]

me too-especially when I saw how the vote broke down in PA.

Side note-I really was upset to hear that 7/10 Hillary voters in PA said race was a factor in their selection. Everyone has a right to the candidate of their choice, of course-but it makes me sad that in 2008 race is still a factor. I don't know if they asked Obama voters if gender was a factor-I'd be interested in those results.

I hadn't heard that... the color of one's skin does not make the person. No one is superior or inferior because of a skin color. It's 2008 .. when will people stop the hate and realize that we are all human beings?

I'd also like to have polls conducted about how gender is playing into this election for Hillary. A few months ago I was reading several studies conducted showing just how prevalent sexism exists in corporate America and how unfair women have it both salary wise and promotion wise.

Discrimination is wrong. It’s discrimination if you hate or treat a person inferiorly because they are female and it’s discrimination if you hate or treat a person inferiorly because of their skin color.

Of course, I'm preaching to the chior here ... or at least I hope that I am!

 

[Fitswimmer]

I hadn't heard that... the color of one's skin does not make the person. No one is superior or inferior because of a skin color. It's 2008 .. when will people stop the hate and realize that we are all human beings?

I'd also like to have polls conducted about how gender is playing into this election for Hillary. A few months ago I was reading several studies conducted showing just how prevalent sexism exists in corporate America and how unfair women have it both salary wise and promotion wise.

Discrimination is wrong. It’s discrimination if you hate or treat a person inferiorly because they are female and it’s discrimination if you hate or treat a person inferiorly because of their skin color.

Of course, I'm preaching to the chior here ... or at least I hope that I am!

I heard it on one news outlet today, but CNN is reporting otherwise. I guess it all depends on who they polled or how they asked the question.

I don't know if they asked any Obama voters whether gender factored into their decision-but it would be interesting to know that. I wonder how Obama or McCain will benefit from people who wouldn't vote for a woman.

Both are discriminatory, but we'd have to be naive to think that race and gender aren't determining factors for a larger group of voters than we'd like.