Hillary Clinton interview with Philadelphia Gay News

I'm too young to vote, but...

GO HILLARY!!

It's the first thing she's said that I approve of.

These things need to happen and well, she might be able to pull it off.

Are bisexuals deemed 'gay youth'? If so, there we go for me.
 
That's my girl!!!!:thumbsup2:thumbsup2:thumbsup2
 

I so want her to succeed - but I don't see how she can pull it off.
Not without making it look like she hijacked the nomination.

Something still seems worrisome to me about Obama -
I just don't think he can get done what needs to get done.

I wish there was a perfect solution. :confused3
 
Obama supporter here, but I'll vote for either him or her, depending on who gets the nod.

It does disappoint me though, his lack of vocal support of our community. I'm glad at least one of them is starting to talk about our issues! :thumbsup2
 
Yeah, Obama's silence...or sometimes conflicting statements...around LGBTIQ issues is disheartening....and I think that it should rightly be raising some suspicions in our community about where his loyalties will lie when all the dust settles. I have been following very closely the blog of Irene Monroe on the Obama issue. She is a black lesbian minister from the Boston area who has a syndicated column that runs nationally online and in print (including in "The Advocate") and she has quite a strong opinion on Obama's position(s) and track record with regard to sexual minority politics.
 
Yeah, Obama's silence...or sometimes conflicting statements...around LGBTIQ issues is disheartening....and I think that it should rightly be raising some suspicions in our community about where his loyalties will lie when all the dust settles. I have been following very closely the blog of Irene Monroe on the Obama issue. She is a black lesbian minister from the Boston area who has a syndicated column that runs nationally online and in print (including in "The Advocate") and she has quite a strong opinion on Obama's position(s) and track record with regard to sexual minority politics.

Thank you for the reference; I just went over to her homepage and read a couple of articles... what can I say, she's right. Nothing like being sold down the river by the man with the big tent.
 
Thank you for the reference; I just went over to her homepage and read a couple of articles... what can I say, she's right. Nothing like being sold down the river by the man with the big tent.

Agreed.

I have encouraged many people to take a look at her writings because I generally think she's spot on (and not only on the Obama issue...she has great views on many, many issues about which she writes).
 
Chelsea Clinton, on the other hand, was in town over the weekend and she stopped off at the old, original gay watering hole - Woody's - for what was supposed to be a brief public appearance, but once the guys started shouting, "We love your highlights, we love your highlights," she bagged the rest of her schedule and spent the night!
 

Thanks for sharing that link.....and I would tend to think that those remarks are very compelling...HOWEVER, I don't find them to be substantiated by his actions.

The truth is that Hillary and Baraq are nearly equivalent on most/all gay issues....they both support non-discrimination legislation, they both support the end of don't ask, don't tell...and neither is willing to step up and equally protect legitimate marriage for same-sex couples and instead support the somewhat lesser establishment of civil unions. The difference between the two, however....is that Hillary has not turned away the LGBT press or opportunities to speak to LGBT communities and voters. Baraq has declined such opportunities. Hillary has never aligned herself with members of the "ex-gay" movement who make claims that gays can and should be "cured." Baraq has, indeed, done this, however.

Consider the following:

1.) When his personal pastor made "anti-american" remarks, Baraq Obama was quick to distance himself from his own...and Pastor Wright was quickly removed from the campaign trail.

2.) Obama included Donnie McClurkin (the "ex-gay" who made some of the above quoted remarks) in a series of his campaign stops through the southern states. He did so knowing full well the homophobic machinations of this man. And when members of the LGBT community cried foul at this slight to our community.....McClurkin was NOT removed from the campaign.

No matter what eloquent words Senator Obama can create....his actions speak louder (at least to me). Observing his very different responses to these very similar situations with individuals aligned with his campaign says something very telling and important about where our community falls on his heirarchy of priorities....and let's just say that I don't think we feel very high on his proverbial "to do list."
 
When Obama gave the keynote speech at the last Democratic convention I was blown away. In fact, I printed copies of it and gave it to the folks I supervise during one of our meetings as part of our regular discussion on diversity. Although he's a great speaker I feel that Hillary's stand on a few issues are closer to what I believe so she has my support. I had thought that I could get behind Obama if Hillary lost until I read an article on Advocate's website. Back when he was still a state senator he refused to have his picture taken with Gavin Newsom, who as mayor of San Francisco was pushing for marriage rights. That left a sick feeling in my stomach. Here's a link to the article:

http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid52095.asp
 
Senator Clinton is not Miss Perfect, but I do think that she is the real leader. Republicans know this so they are messing with the election to make sure that McCain wins. Do you really think that the Catholic Hispanics for Hillary won't change their votes to John McCain if Hillary Clinton loses? I sure wouldn't put money on that if I were you.
 
edit: read this thread, lots of good points. I'll post more later.
 
Honestly, I don't know what you guys are talking about. Obama's the only candidate who mentions gays without prompting; he did it again yesterday in reference to how he'd select a Supreme Court justice.
 
This Talking Points Memo article describes EXACTLY why I can't stand her. Excerpt:

Lately I've been bouncing the idea off of friends that at least some of Hillary's appeal - at least with some middle aged women and homosexual men - has to do with what I call her "Diva Appeal." Now, before I go on, let me say that this theory is not grounded in anything resembling facts or statistics or anything beyond my own mere observations and extrapolations. But then a couple of things caught my eye that so perfectly reinforce my (shabby, overgeneralized) theory that I just have to share this and get it out there - maybe someone else can better articulate what it is I'm trying to say.

The first example was at last night's Elton John concert in which he basically said to all the haters out there: "to hell with them!" And then, this morning, I read what is perhaps the most perfect distillation of the Diva Theory: the post Hillary is My Revolution by Billy Glad.

There is something weird going here. Hillary is the diva, the fabulous woman who is fabulous just because she says so. She's the woman who is abused (by her husband), ridiculed (by the press), hated (by Republican mouth-breathers), yet she's still standing. She's like from some exploitation film where the heroine is beaten and barely raped before pulling a knife out of her sock and slicing the mean guy's balls off. Her supporters have stood by her and fought her battles with her - and sometimes for her - since the 1990s. The emotional connection runs too deep. R-e-s-p-e-c-t, she shakes her finger. Find out what it means to me. And the crowd eats it up.

Nevermind that Hillary Clinton hasn't ever really ever done anything for the gay community. They just like her moxie. It's the defensive/aggressive posturing of a member of an ostracized community, and they identify with that. I see it my friends who are gay who support Hillary. They say the same trite things over and over: she's a fighter, she's a strong woman, people hate strong women, people are jealous... Surprisingly, they like my Diva theory. To them, a diva is exactly what we need in the White House.
 
hey, I'm glad I stopped by here today, because I have been wondering how you all feel about the candidates. I did hear about Hillary's comments,but honestly haven't heard Obama say much.

The rights of my lgbt friends are important to me, so I wanted to sort of "take the pulse" of folks in the community whose opinions I respect.
 
Obama has talked consistently to large audiences about gay rights. He has supported repealing DADT, the DOM act, and supports equal benefits for gay couples. Hillary wants to "leave it up to the states" but would not push for the equality of gay couples. If she says otherwise, she is changing her position because the election grows closer.

I support Obama 110%. In fact, read this:

Thursday, February 28, 2008


Obama Statement

The Democratic presidential hopeful has just written the following message:

"I'm running for President to build an America that lives up to our founding promise of equality for all – a promise that extends to our gay brothers and sisters. It's wrong to have millions of Americans living as second-class citizens in this nation. And I ask for your support in this election so that together we can bring about real change for all LGBT Americans.

Equality is a moral imperative. That's why throughout my career, I have fought to eliminate discrimination against LGBT Americans. In Illinois, I co-sponsored a fully inclusive bill that prohibited discrimination on the basis of both sexual orientation and gender identity, extending protection to the workplace, housing, and places of public accommodation. In the U.S. Senate, I have co-sponsored bills that would equalize tax treatment for same-sex couples and provide benefits to domestic partners of federal employees. And as president, I will place the weight of my administration behind the enactment of the Matthew Shepard Act to outlaw hate crimes and a fully inclusive Employment Non-Discrimination Act to outlaw workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and lesbian couples — whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage. Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) – a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate. While some say we should repeal only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether. Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. I have also called for us to repeal Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and I have worked to improve the Uniting American Families Act so we can afford same-sex couples the same rights and obligations as married couples in our immigration system.

The next president must also address the HIV/AIDS epidemic. When it comes to prevention, we do not have to choose between values and science. While abstinence education should be part of any strategy, we also need to use common sense. We should have age-appropriate sex education that includes information about contraception. We should pass the JUSTICE Act to combat infection within our prison population. And we should lift the federal ban on needle exchange, which could dramatically reduce rates of infection among drug users. In addition, local governments can protect public health by distributing contraceptives.

We also need a president who's willing to confront the stigma – too often tied to homophobia – that continues to surround HIV/AIDS. I confronted this stigma directly in a speech to evangelicals at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church, and will continue to speak out as president. That is where I stand on the major issues of the day. But having the right positions on the issues is only half the battle. The other half is to win broad support for those positions. And winning broad support will require stepping outside our comfort zone. If we want to repeal DOMA, repeal Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and implement fully inclusive laws outlawing hate crimes and discrimination in the workplace, we need to bring the message of LGBT equality to skeptical audiences as well as friendly ones – and that's what I've done throughout my career. I brought this message of inclusiveness to all of America in my keynote address at the 2004 Democratic convention. I talked about the need to fight homophobia when I announced my candidacy for President, and I have been talking about LGBT equality to a number of groups during this campaign – from local LGBT activists to rural farmers to parishioners at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, where Dr. Martin Luther King once preached.

Just as important, I have been listening to what all Americans have to say. I will never compromise on my commitment to equal rights for all LGBT Americans. But neither will I close my ears to the voices of those who still need to be convinced. That is the work we must do to move forward together. It is difficult. It is challenging. And it is necessary.

Americans are yearning for leadership that can empower us to reach for what we know is possible. I believe that we can achieve the goal of full equality for the millions of LGBT people in this country. To do that, we need leadership that can appeal to the best parts of the human spirit. Join with me, and I will provide that leadership. Together, we will achieve real equality for all Americans, gay and straight alike."
 












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