Here now...President Day thoughts / New FP+ info.

[TinkerBelle_325]

Not so great for families that can only go once or once every few years.

There have been new systems and changes put into place many times over. It must have been quite the adjustment when they switched from a ticket book system to park passes - from park passes to park hopper - from that to Magic Your Way. It was a big deal to many when they started taking biometric information (complaints about backups at the turnstiles), or when they added parties like MNSSHP and MVMCP where they close the park to day guests at 7pm. What if a ride is down for a 2 or 3 month refurb and that "once every few years" family didn't realize?

There will always be some element of change. No one is guarenteed a perfect vacation.

 

[JanaDee]

No one is guarenteed a perfect vacation.

I think we've found Disney's new PR slogan!

Come to Disney, where no one is guaranteed a perfect vacation!!

 

[mom2rtk]

I think we've found Disney's new PR slogan!

Come to Disney, where no one is guaranteed a perfect vacation!!

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

I think we've found Disney's new PR slogan!

Come to Disney, where no one is guaranteed a perfect vacation!!

Haha It is true no matter what vacation destination you choose. Look at Carnival and Royal Caribbean - they have had massive issues with illness at sea. Look at weather - hurricanes, rain, intense heat - those can ruin a vacation. Closures, refurbishments, contruction, the dreaded crane behind Cinderella Castle. All-inclusive resorts that aren't all inclusive, hotels that use deceptive pictures for promotion, flight delays - it is all part of life.

 

[JanaDee]

Haha It is true no matter what vacation destination you choose. Look at Carnival and Royal Caribbean - they have had massive issues with illness at sea. Look at weather - hurricanes, rain, intense heat - those can ruin a vacation. Closures, refurbishments, contruction, the dreaded crane behind Cinderella Castle. All-inclusive resorts that aren't all inclusive, hotels that use deceptive pictures for promotion, flight delays - it is all part of life.

The sad part about the whole joke on the slogan is it is true.

How much do you think Carnival and RC have suffered business-wise and PR-wise with their missteps? A lot, just like Disney is starting to show by censoring info that is shared about FP+.

 

[practicallyperfect77]

I think we've found Disney's new PR slogan!

Come to Disney, where no one is guaranteed a perfect vacation!!

You gotta add snow tho..."Come to Disney where no one is guaranteed a perfect vacation buy at least you're not shoveling snow with your pants on fire".

 

[JanaDee]

You gotta add snow tho..."Come to Disney where no one is guaranteed a perfect vacation buy at least you're not shoveling snow with your pants on fire".

 

[EMode]

There have been new systems and changes put into place many times over. It must have been quite the adjustment when they switched from a ticket book system to park passes - from park passes to park hopper - from that to Magic Your Way. It was a big deal to many when they started taking biometric information (complaints about backups at the turnstiles), or when they added parties like MNSSHP and MVMCP where they close the park to day guests at 7pm. What if a ride is down for a 2 or 3 month refurb and that "once every few years" family didn't realize?

There will always be some element of change. No one is guarenteed a perfect vacation.

Of course there is no guarantee of a perfect vacation, but places like WDW strive to make your vacation perfect to keep you coming back. Personally I think that FP+ fails at that, YMMV.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

The sad part about the whole joke on the slogan is it is true.

How much do you think Carnival and RC have suffered business-wise and PR-wise with their missteps? A lot, just like Disney is starting to show by censoring info that is shared about FP+.

Yup - Carnival and Royal Caribbean sure are suffering with over 70% of the market share in a $37 billion industry

http://www.cruisemarketwatch.com/market-share/

 

[Love Tink]

You are assuming that Disney will keep the distribution even across all guests after testing has finished. They could very well decide to charge offsite guests for 1 FP+ selection per day. They could deny offsite guests FP+ all together and then redistribute in a tiered system across the resorts (3 FP+ per day for value, 4 FP+ per day for moderate, 5 FP+ per day for deluxe).

Doing what you describe is not "increasing the number from 3 FP+ per day."

It is not impossible to increase the number from 3 FP+ per day, it simply requires reallocation/redistribution on Disney's part.

It is impossible to increase the number from 3 FP+ per day (by which I mean actually doing that, not increasing that number for some and decreasing it for others) unless you:

A) Add more capacity (build attractions)
B) Add more *pretend* capacity (add FP as an option on walk-on attractions)
C) Give away more FP than ever before for rides (which would have the effect - hmm - of creating long waits in FP lines).

 

[notnothin]

You gotta add snow tho..."Come to Disney where no one is guaranteed a perfect vacation but at least you're not shoveling snow with your pants on fire".

These slogans just keep getting better and better as the day progresses!

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

Doing what you describe is not "increasing the number from 3 FP+ per day."

It is impossible to increase the number from 3 FP+ per day (by which I mean actually doing that, not increasing that number for some and decreasing it for others) unless you:

A) Add more capacity (build attractions)
B) Add more *pretend* capacity (add FP as an option on walk-on attractions)
C) Give away more FP than ever before for rides (which would have the effect - hmm - of creating long waits in FP lines).

So you have Disney's FP+ algorithm do you? You know unequivocally that it is impossible to have more than 3 FP+ per day?

 

[rastuso]

I'll be interested to see what FP+ looks like by the summer and how many of the "Disney has lost our family" will come back once changes have been made.

I'll be interested to see how many of the "FP+ is awesome" folks go during the busy season, and realize it sucks, and become suddenly quiet on the forums when the thousands in bills show up on their credit cards, and they realize the horrible value the trip was.

-Jason

 

[rastuso]

So you have Disney's FP+ algorithm do you? You know unequivocally that it is impossible to have more than 3 FP+ per day?

They could give everyone 12 FP+ a day, but it still wouldn't fix the capacity problem. Can't you understand that?

The only reason Disney has kept the ubervistors happy with plenty of rides over the past 10-15 years is by having a FP system that they could use at a higher level than Joe-Sixpack first-timer who doesn't even realize it's free until half way through his vacation.

Now, by pushing more and more people into the system, Joe is a bit happier, getting more rides, but honestly, he probably isn't returning anytime soon anyway. However UberFred and his family of 4 that used to come twice a year, ride tons of rides, go to overpriced character meals, and stay onsite, now have seen the parks lose all their allure, because they will be paying the same, yet 3<6, and 3<7, and even 3<5 by a large percentage. Not to mention, they were also taught that 3<>1.

Disney's new math has a lot of problems, and there is no way to fix it anytime soon, especially if it takes them 3 years to build a kiddie coaster.

I stopped going to the "Everything is awesome" thread, can't you just stay there with the rest of the rainbows and unicorn crowd? You all vehemently attack and report anyone on that thread who doesn't agree with you.

-Jason

 

[JanaDee]

Yup - Carnival and Royal Caribbean sure are suffering with over 70% of the market share in a $37 billion industry

http://www.cruisemarketwatch.com/market-share/

After the poop cruise, Carnival was practically giving cruises away. Carnival Corp also owns multiple cruise lines, so that skews the numbers.

You can deny it all you'd like, but Disney has a PR problem on their hands with FP+. Why do you think they shut off comments and reviews on their Facebook page?

 

[JanaDee]

So you have Disney's FP+ algorithm do you? You know unequivocally that it is impossible to have more than 3 FP+ per day?

As was shown this last weekend, capacity is an issue and will continue to be an issue for years to come.

They can't give what they don't have.

 

[rastuso]

After the poop cruise, Carnival was practically giving cruises away. Carnival Corp also owns multiple cruise lines, so that skews the numbers.

You can deny it all you'd like, but Disney has a PR problem on their hands with FP+. Why do you think they shut off comments and reviews on their Facebook page?

They stopped the flood of anti FP+ posts on FB? Hadn't realized that.

 

[KatieCharlotte]

Doing what you describe is not "increasing the number from 3 FP+ per day."



It is impossible to increase the number from 3 FP+ per day (by which I mean actually doing that, not increasing that number for some and decreasing it for others) unless you:

A) Add more capacity (build attractions)
B) Add more *pretend* capacity (add FP as an option on walk-on attractions)
C) Give away more FP than ever before for rides (which would have the effect - hmm - of creating long waits in FP lines).

I think that's absolutely true at all parks except MK. I don't have the information to know whether it is true at MK, where there are so many FP attractions, but I don't believe it is. Part of that is because they've already done B and even a little A, of course, but there are plenty of valuable FP+. OTOH, increasing the number of FP+ at MK might result in tiers because there is still limited capacity at the headliners, and no one is ever again getting more than one for the same ride.

 

[JanaDee]

They stopped the flood of anti FP+ posts on FB? Hadn't realized that.

The ability to comment on their wall and the star reviews have been removed. You can still comment under pictures.

 

[mom2rtk]

I think that's absolutely true at all parks except MK. I don't have the information to know whether it is true at MK, where there are so many FP attractions, but I don't believe it is. Part of that is because they've already done B and even a little A, of course, but there are plenty of valuable FP+. OTOH, increasing the number of FP+ at MK might result in tiers because there is still limited capacity at the headliners, and no one is ever again getting more than one for the same ride.

The more I think about this, I think the next step will probably be to increase MK to 4. But they will have to tier the rides to do it. It's a case of "be careful what you ask for".