Here Now 9-14 Quick follow up about security.

[SureAsLiz]

I carry my camera bag into the park, and our first day all I had to do was unzipper the compartments and flip open the main pouch and that was good.

Same day at Epcot I have to take EVERYTHING out of the camera bag. This included my lens in separate pouches, that I had to remove from their little bags and place upon a table.

I'm sorry but I'm not comfortable putting 3 camera lens with a value of $3500 on a table with a ton of people near by that can bump into the table knock them onto the floor.

It's always interesting seeing how they react to camera accessories.

Most of the time, just having the soft pouch open but still in the bag is enough for them. Sometimes (though not as often as it used to be) they ask me to take the pouches out of my main bag - but I've never been asked to remove the lens itself. Sometimes if I just bring one extra, I'll take it out of my bag just to make it quicker.

More recently, they've made a comment about them being camera lenses, and that was it. No need to scrutinize them further

I don't ever go with more than 2 extra lenses, with the 3rd being attached to the body that I wear through bag check, so I can easily hold them all. But I would be weary about bringing more and not being able to control all of them myself

 

[W.E.D.]

my husband always wears cargo shorts and he never gets stopped. He also does not carry anything in those pockets so maybe if they looked to be full of something, they'd be checked? not sure.

Posted in another thread on security: I had stuffed cargo shorts one morning as I approached the entrance to EPCOT from the busses. I was headed past the bag line when I was approached and asked to empty my pockets. As the OP mentioned, there are eyes checking you out long before you get to the security lines.

 

[mickeyluv'r]

I don't know why not?

I can think of many reasons, but mainly I'm a theme park minimalist. The less I have to carry, the better.

Second, I know I wouldn't use them. Every inch of WDW has already been photographed thousands of times.

 

[cobright]

He asked if you were carrying a spent shell casing? How specific and bizarre. If I read your post correctly, he was actually looking at part of a pen.

I was very surprised to hear the question myself. Like taken aback. Then concerned. Concerned that he was concerned. Like, "don't taze me bro!" But things went back to copacetic real fast.

 

[megveg]

I was very surprised to hear the question myself. Like taken aback. Then concerned. Concerned that he was concerned. Like, "don't taze me bro!" But things went back to copacetic real fast.

I'm still over here wondering how many people actually DO have spent shell casings in their pockets, enough that security has to specifically ask about them at Disney lmao

 

[revdon64]

I really like the add security with what has been happing around the world lately I like the fact that disney dose it good job and quickly too.

I do not wear them but are they checking cargo pants too I mean you really can get a lot in some of them.

When we went at the end of June I wore cargo shorts every day. Whenever I was asked to go through the metal detectors I automatically emptied all my pockets into the tray. I wasn't asked to that I recall, but I'm also not sure why anyone wouldn't just empty all their pockets. I comes across as deceptive and begs for tighter controls by security.

I question the randomness. We have been here since Saturday and my husband has been picked 100% of the time. If he goes through bag check with me I get selected too which means one person waits with the stroller then we switch. If he goes though no bags and I go alone I do not get selected. It takes almost no time for the extra screening. We joke about it and take it in stride. They are doing their best

I've said this before, I personally know a CM who knows many of the security procedures. This person told me that the current goal is to put about 80% of arriving guests through the metal detectors. Said CM believes that the long term goal is 100% but that MK especially is problematic because of the limited space at the entrance. So, it isn't really random so much as it's striving toward 4 out of 5 people being metal detected. You just happened to be in that 4 every visit.

 

[DisneyOma]

I question the randomness. We have been here since Saturday and my husband has been picked 100% of the time. If he goes through bag check with me I get selected too which means one person waits with the stroller then we switch. If he goes though no bags and I go alone I do not get selected. It takes almost no time for the extra screening. We joke about it and take it in stride. They are doing their best

I'm curious about the behavior detection criteria. My sister and I have been "randomly chosen" every time we've gone through (been here since last Thursday and have park hoppers). I'm grateful for the extra security but wonder what it is we are doing that gets us chosen. I will say my family definitely has a face that looks mad if we're not talking or smiling. And, since it happens every time, I've started watching the security to see if I can pick out which one is going to come collect me. I'm sure that doesn't look suspicious at all, lol.

Getting sent through the metal detector 100% of the time shows the randomness. Think bell curve...

 

[cobright]

I'm thinking maybe a few of things you list are more a reflection of your personal experience entering the parks, than universal facts/experiences for all guests entering the parks.

On our recent trip, we were screened some of the times we entered, but not every time, and not both of us, even though we were pretty consistent in what we brought/carried into the parks.

I listed my observations and what conclusions I could make based on such limited data. Ive gone through security 25 times now and observed the apparatus process another 150 or so people. Even so, its hard to make definitive statements based on so little data and I tried not to.

The cargo vest point (#1) was my probably my hardest assertion and I would normally have included some sort of proviso reminding of the limited sample size, but ... I watched security work a long time that day and they were searched religiously. I'm comfortable making the assertion that if you walk through with a loaded safari vest without a request to search it, you're an outlier.

I make no bones about being a dilettante. But the subject is something of a special interest of mine and I have enough experience doing real research to know the kind of observations I should be making. But if the process were truly and exclusively random therected would not be cases of the same person getting selected 80%+ of the time. It would be highly unlikely that for a 20 trip set, I would be stopped 100% of the time no matter what behaviors I was mimicking.

The good news is we don't want 100% random any more than we would want them to select every third guest.

 

[SureAsLiz]

But if the process were truly and exclusively random therected would not be cases of the same person getting selected 80%+ of the time.

But if the goal is 80% of guest screening, then 80% selection wouldn't be a bad thing. Given enough opportunities, everything normalizes, and it sounds like things are going just as they should. If the goal were 80% and things were normalizing at 50%, then there would be a pretty decent gap that security would want to analyze

 

[teddygurl28]

Random or not I really don't mind it. I think I just get tired of them telling me it's random lol

 

[Accident]

Random or not I really don't mind it. I think I just get tired of them telling me it's random lol

There's a lot more of the day that everyone goes through but the times when it was "random" I was being picked so often I got to know the security staff and even commented that I feel less safe because they never check anyone else and I know i'm good. I get checked even more now.. even had some wand fun..

They actually don't always say it's random and sometimes your just selected.

 

[DisneyOma]

For a true random selection, there will be people who are never picked to go through (like my daughter - there for a week, park hopper, never got sent through) and those who will get picked every time. Don't schools teach statistics?

 

[anniemae]

I had read, maybe even on here, that if you go through then stop to wait for your travel mates, they will pull you aside.

 

[AngiTN]

I had read, maybe even on here, that if you go through then stop to wait for your travel mates, they will pull you aside.

Not always. It typically depends on just how busy they are. If there are several in line for them they won't pull you just because you stop.

As someone who goes bagless we go through the metal detectors a lot.
At Epcot's front gate, unless there is a really big backup, they send all guests entering without bags through the metal detectors. As said already, all guests going in IG go through.
At HS if you enter the small gate near the parking lot they send all guests through. At their main gate it seems to be random.
At MK they are more inconsistent. Sometimes we enter and they send all no bag guest in the metal detectors and other times they don't.
AK is more like HS main gate in that it seems to be random.

 

[flatlandcycle]

I guarantee Adam The Woo will get followed all day...maybe you're (OP) on one of their lists.

It almost sounds like the don't want people taking professional photos. They want you to rely on their imaging system package for profit. The same way that this theater is more about stopping children from sharing tickets. Disney is trying to stop all shrinkage (petty theft). Sorry, I got a little philosophical.

They probably don't want a rifle stock camera mount nor a pistol grip iPhone case in the park either. No brass no ammo, SARGENT!

Personally, I just try to comply with Disney Orders so I get through the line as quickly as possible. Hopefully I'm not harassed by Type A guards. I still don't have to like it.

 

[mickeyluv'r]

I watched security work a long time that day ..... I would be stopped 100% of the time no matter what behaviors I was mimicking.

Um , most guests don't behave this way.

 

[Love_the_Mouse]

What about strollers?? We've brought a stroller the past 2 trips and no one has EVER looked in/under our stroller.

 

[Klayfish]

We bring a stroller every time we walk into a WDW park. Most security guards do at least peak at it and look to see if anything is under it.

Random, not random, whatever. It's easy and painless.

 

[Tribe]

Here is a Statistic for you: people are terrible at picking randomly, there are too many biases we have ingrained in us to pick randomly. So unless security has a random number generator (pseudo random at least) they are NOT picking random. Unless of course they are taking every other or every 3rd, every 4th person, etc. In my opinion random does not make sense in these cases. You have to profile to an extent or at least take a good look at the person for signs of trouble.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

Here is a Statistic for you: people are terrible at picking randomly, there are too many biases we have ingrained in us to pick randomly. So unless security has a random number generator (pseudo random at least) they are NOT picking random. Unless of course they are taking every other or every 3rd, every 4th person, etc. In my opinion random does not make sense in these cases. You have to profile to an extent or at least take a good look at the person for signs of trouble.

Most people have no idea what random is.

And chances are, people aren't chosen "randomly."