HELP!!What kind of ID to get on airplane?

disneyldwjr said:
Yes, they sure can, and I am acutely aware that it is the TSA's call and not the airlines.

Then why are you giving people information that contradicts this? Telling people that
Actually, you don't need a photo ID to board, however, you will be subject to extra security if you do not have one. They will accept Birth Certs. with back up info such as a SS card, Library Card, Credit card and other forms.
certainly contradicts what the rules are.

Anyone who doesn't have a photo ID should take all possible steps to get one, even if it means they need to secure a passport and pay the hefty surcharge for express processing.

Anne
 
TSA has a procedure to handle passengers who don't have photo ID. Some guests do have their wallets stolen when they're on vacation. Some passengers forget to take their license. The procedure can take extra time and it's possible, if the passenger has the same name as someone on a watch list, that the passenger might not even got to take their flight.

I agree people without a photo ID should try to get one. Go to DMV. Pay an extra fee if one is offered. My library card has a photo. I don't think that sufficient but having extra ID can't hurt.

I wouldn't go so far as a passport. You need photo ID to apply for a passport. Getting an expedited passport isn't cheap, getting an expedited passport without photo ID is going to be much harder than dealing with TSA. I wouldn't even count on getting an expediated passport quickly without photo ID.


ducklite said:
Anyone who doesn't have a photo ID should take all possible steps to get one, even if it means they need to secure a passport and pay the hefty surcharge for express processing.

Anne
 
There's a big difference between someone who is on the return leg of a trip and has had their ID stolen or lost than someone commencing travel who hasn't taken the proper steps in advance to ensure they will ahve photo ID avaialble.

To the OP--knowing that it could take some time to get your new license, why didn't you renew it a month early?

Frankly I won't be surprised if the TSA eventually requires a passport for all travelers, particularly with the levels of fraud that are happening in DMV's at state levels.

Anne
 
Anne--The OP has a license with an old address on it. That's not a problem. The OPs DD lost her license. Applied for a new one 2 weeks ago and their trip isn't for 3 weeks. I'd be all over DMV if it's going to take more than a month for a duplicate license.

The point is the TSA has a procedure to handle passengers without a license. Does it really matter if DMV took too long, the passengers pocket was picked while checking luggage, a passenger grabbed the wrong wallet or the wallet was stolen on vacation?

You suggested paying for an expediated passport. Your suggestion doesn't apply to the OP who is allowing more than enough time to get DMV ID. Do you really think getting an expediated passport without photo id is going to be easier than dealing with the TSA at the airport? :rotfl2:

The airline industry will be allover the TSA if they even think of requiring passports for domestic travel.



ducklite said:
There's a big difference between someone who is on the return leg of a trip and has had their ID stolen or lost than someone commencing travel who hasn't taken the proper steps in advance to ensure they will ahve photo ID avaialble.

To the OP--knowing that it could take some time to get your new license, why didn't you renew it a month early?

Frankly I won't be surprised if the TSA eventually requires a passport for all travelers, particularly with the levels of fraud that are happening in DMV's at state levels.

Anne
 

ducklite said:
Then why are you giving people information that contradicts this? Telling people that certainly contradicts what the rules are.

Anyone who doesn't have a photo ID should take all possible steps to get one, even if it means they need to secure a passport and pay the hefty surcharge for express processing.

Anne
I have not given any one contradictory information. The rules are stated on the the TSA site, take a peek. I only agreed that the TSA could deny boarding in certain cases. However, they rarely do this with enough proof of identity. I also agreed that it was the TSA's call, not the airlines'.

I think people should have a photo ID, government issued, however, I certainly am not going to grill them about not having one or question why they did not apply for one earlier. That is not my right or business.
 
Lewisc said:
Anne--The OP has a license with an old address on it. That's not a problem. The OPs DD lost her license. Applied for a new one 2 weeks ago and their trip isn't for 3 weeks. I'd be all over DMV if it's going to take more than a month for a duplicate license.

Unfortunately in some states that's the way it is. The OP should simply not change her addres or for any reason surrender her license until she returns from her trip.

The point is the TSA has a procedure to handle passengers without a license. Does it really matter if DMV took too long, the passengers pocket was picked while checking luggage, a passenger grabbed the wrong wallet or the wallet was stolen on vacation?

But the TSA can also deny boarding to anyone who can't prove their identity in the required way. They are far more lenient on those returning home who have already proven the ID on the first leg than to someone who simply didn't bother to get appropriate ID for whatever reason in advance. In my family we have passports, and prone to losing things DS has both a DMV issued photo ID that he carries as his form of ID, as well as the DMV issued permit, which he only carries when he'll be driving.

You suggested paying for an expediated passport. Your suggestion doesn't apply to the OP who is allowing more than enough time to get DMV ID. Do you really think getting an expediated passport without photo id is going to be easier than dealing with the TSA at the airport? :rotfl2:

That's not the point. The point is that with the passport in hand, the OP will not have to take the risk of a denied boarding.

The airline industry will be allover the TSA if they even think of requiring passports for domestic travel.

I disagree. I think we're going to see it happen in the forseeable future. It will do a lot more to secure our skies than what they are currently doing.

Anne
 
I do suggest you go to the TSA website and read about what is required to board.
As to passports, I doubt we will see that happen. Passports are for travel outside this country.
 
disneyldwjr said:
I do suggest you go to the TSA website and read about what is required to board.

Trust me, I know what is required by teh TSA for travel. You work in a single airport. I fly in and out of many of them regularly. Unfortunately the TSA applies their rules differently at various stations. Not the way it should be, but it's the way it is.

As to passports, I doubt we will see that happen. Passports are for travel outside this country.

They prove your identity and citizenship. Should I say it again? They prove your identity. Better than any state issued ID does. They also prove your citizenship, which more and more seems to be something the TSA is interested in. Use of a passport would cut down on screening times (they are all identical in where the information is located, many TSA agents seem to have a problem matching names to names using DL's which they might be unfamiliar with.)

Personally I'd love them to simply require ANYONE who wants to fly to gain trusted traveler acceptance. That would be the best way to have safe skies in the US. If they can't pass a background check, then do we really want them on our planes? I don't.

Anne
 
ducklite said:
Trust me, I know what is required by teh TSA for travel. You work in a single airport. I fly in and out of many of them regularly. Unfortunately the TSA applies their rules differently at various stations. Not the way it should be, but it's the way it is.



They prove your identity and citizenship. Should I say it again? They prove your identity. Better than any state issued ID does. They also prove your citizenship, which more and more seems to be something the TSA is interested in. Use of a passport would cut down on screening times (they are all identical in where the information is located, many TSA agents seem to have a problem matching names to names using DL's which they might be unfamiliar with.)

Personally I'd love them to simply require ANYONE who wants to fly to gain trusted traveler acceptance. That would be the best way to have safe skies in the US. If they can't pass a background check, then do we really want them on our planes? I don't.

Anne

I doubt you know where I fly from or into. Or....what I do for a living.
My Birth cert. proves my citizenship.
I also know what is required by TSA, I have read the site. I also know what they say when you call, I have called.

I am glad you would like passports for everyone, nothing like making people dig deeper in their pockets for something that the majority does not need.
As to passing background checks, ah, yet another invasion of our privacy.
I would have no problem with flying with someone who could not pass a background check, depending on what part of the background they are checking. IE: a person convicted of a DUI would probably not pass a background check, but, I would not have a problem flying with them. I bet a lot of the terrorists would pass a background check with flying colors, and oh, yes, I bet they have passports too. I mean, were the 9/11 terrorists from another country? Did they not get into this country with a passport/visa, or did they just drop from the sky like magic.

I have no problem getting on a plane now, I do not need to provide any personal information to the TSA to be on some elite list. You still have to show ID, you still have to go through security and you are subject to the same rules and regs. that all pax are.
 
disneyldwjr said:
You still have to show ID, you still have to go through security and you are subject to the same rules and regs. that all pax are.

Uh, wrong again. I DO NOT SHOW photo ID to get on a plane. My CLEAR Card is matched up against my ticket, my finger print is scanned, and I'm on my way.

I like the idea of proving nationality and yes, PROFILING those from certain countries. If it keeps us safer, then why not. It's not a RIGHT for anyone not from the US to travel here. It's a privelege, and if they do'tn like what it takes, they can stay home.

Anne
 
The poster said you have to show ID, didn't say photo ID. You said you have to show your CLEAR card and have your finger scanned. That sounds like ID to me. Instead of using a photo drivers license or passport you carry an additional ID CARD.

People have to prove their nationality when they enter this country and not again when the travel within our country. Parts of the country that depend on tourists want to make it easier not harder to visit.


ducklite said:
Uh, wrong again. I DO NOT SHOW photo ID to get on a plane. My CLEAR Card is matched up against my ticket, my finger print is scanned, and I'm on my way.

I like the idea of proving nationality and yes, PROFILING those from certain countries. If it keeps us safer, then why not. It's not a RIGHT for anyone not from the US to travel here. It's a privelege, and if they do'tn like what it takes, they can stay home.

Anne
 
Technically, the airline is the one that is asking for ID; the law apparently authorizes TSA to require the airlines to ask for it. I say "apparently" because that is what the TSA says that it says; the US govt. is refusing to publish that particular law, they claim that the particulars must be kept secret in the interest of national security. However, in no case is a passenger actually *required* to show a govt. issued ID in order to board a domestic flight; you may at your discretion choose to become a "selectee" and undergo an especially diligent search process instead. (Of course, the airline may refuse to issue a boarding pass to you if you don't prove that you are the passenger for whom the ticket was purchased, which has the same effect. That part has nothing to do with security, though; it is contract law, because the airline sells tickets as non-transferable, and they are allowed to enforce the terms of the contract.)

The whole ID question has been making its way through the Federal courts for a few years now, the case is now called Gilmore v. Gonzalez. The plaintiff (one of the founders of Sun Microsystems, now retired) refused to show ID and also refused to undergo a selectee screening, so he was denied boarding. He tried it on two airlines, SWA and UA, and then he sued, claiming that the requirement violates his constitutional right to travel within the US. The 9th Circuit rejected the claim on the grounds that he doesn't have standing, so he has applied for Cert. to the US Supreme Court. All of the filed documents in the case are available at http://papersplease.org/gilmore/legal.html

The arguments are interesting -- at least they are if you are a Constitution Geek like me. ;)
 
NotUrsula said:
Technically, the airline is the one that is asking for ID; the law apparently authorizes TSA to require the airlines to ask for it. I say "apparently" because that is what the TSA says that it says; the US govt. is refusing to publish that particular law, they claim that the particulars must be kept secret in the interest of national security. However, in no case is a passenger actually *required* to show a govt. issued ID in order to board a domestic flight; you may at your discretion choose to become a "selectee" and undergo an especially diligent search process instead. (Of course, the airline may refuse to issue a boarding pass to you if you don't prove that you are the passenger for whom the ticket was purchased, which has the same effect. That part has nothing to do with security, though; it is contract law, because the airline sells tickets as non-transferable, and they are allowed to enforce the terms of the contract.)

The whole ID question has been making its way through the Federal courts for a few years now, the case is now called Gilmore v. Gonzalez. The plaintiff (one of the founders of Sun Microsystems, now retired) refused to show ID and also refused to undergo a selectee screening, so he was denied boarding. He tried it on two airlines, SWA and UA, and then he sued, claiming that the requirement violates his constitutional right to travel within the US. The 9th Circuit rejected the claim on the grounds that he doesn't have standing, so he has applied for Cert. to the US Supreme Court. All of the filed documents in the case are available at http://papersplease.org/gilmore/legal.html

The arguments are interesting -- at least they are if you are a Constitution Geek like me. ;)


I find that incredibly interesting. Thank you for posting that.
 
ducklite said:
Uh, wrong again. I DO NOT SHOW photo ID to get on a plane. My CLEAR Card is matched up against my ticket, my finger print is scanned, and I'm on my way.

I like the idea of proving nationality and yes, PROFILING those from certain countries. If it keeps us safer, then why not. It's not a RIGHT for anyone not from the US to travel here. It's a privelege, and if they do'tn like what it takes, they can stay home.

Anne


Hello!!! I said ID, I said nothing about photo ID. Did you read my post?
As to profiling, I am totally and completely against that. When people enter this country their proof of nationality is checked. It is none of your business where anyone is from after that point. When people enter this country from other countries with the proper documentation, they are afforded the same freedom of movement US citizens are afforded. Travel on busses, trains and planes is not a right. Having a license to drive a car is not a right. All of these are priveleges. Which can be suspended at anytime for various reasons. Your attitude towards others from other countries is totally unAmerican. Read the words from the statue of liberty. The unfortunate thing is that the terrorists that have been encountered have all had the proper IDs and had NO problem boarding planes.
The next thing you will be advocating is computer chips inplanted in people to make sure they pass muster.
 
wowzers. So all this from my question?

Ok, so my DL is fine, but my daughters ID still didnt come and the DMV just said we could get a new one. Expected mailing time another 4-6 weeks!

This is so frustrating!

Our library cards do not have photos on them. My dd's just a little thing who doesnt look like she could blow over a feather on a windy day. Do you still THINK that her birth certificate (which we do have) and her 2 seperate college ID's will be sufficient. She does have a library card, just no photo on it.
 
nurseypoo5 said:
wowzers. So all this from my question?

Ok, so my DL is fine, but my daughters ID still didnt come and the DMV just said we could get a new one. Expected mailing time another 4-6 weeks!

This is so frustrating!

Our library cards do not have photos on them. My dd's just a little thing who doesnt look like she could blow over a feather on a windy day. Do you still THINK that her birth certificate (which we do have) and her 2 seperate college ID's will be sufficient. She does have a library card, just no photo on it.

Wow, mailing them really stinks. I live in a little town in the mountains of WV and when we need a new ID, we just go to DMV, fill out the form, they take our picture and hand us our new cards. It takes less than one hour. I fly about 10-12 times a year and am ALWAYS asked for my picture ID both from the airlines, but mostly importantly from the TSA folks in the security line. Getting an ID is very important and even my grandson has his own ID issued by DMV, since the age of 6--he's 12 now and we still continue to get him his own picture ID from DMV every couple of years ($10). Good luck and hope you are not too hassled. I would be a nervous nelly as I avoid any complications if possible. I am asked for a picture ID alot. Mostly when shopping and using my credit cards or going to a bank. I can't imagine not having it. You even need it in WDW when checking in, and since we are AP holders, we need it often when using our passes when they don't want to work. Hope you get this straightened out soon.
 














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