Help Please - Need a new Computer

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Last week during a storm our computer was knocked out. Windows is looking for a file to reboot. It is a dell desktop about 7 years old. We have known we needed a new one for sometime, but just didn't want to spend the money. I have been out of work and DH is on and off work. Well, we have deceided we are going to purchase a new one. I thought if we could find a "no interest payment plans" we could make it work.

The HELP we need is what to get. We are sure we want to change to a Laptop, with a 17" moniter, a full numberic keypad and run on windows but thats all i know. (even though I have heard good things, we are not prepared to change to a mac)

It will be used for home & sm business applications, and our budget is $700-$800.

What should I be looking for regarding the following:

Processor
Operating System
Memory
Hard Drive
Optical Drive
?? anything else we should know.

I appreciate any help given.......
 
First, think about why you want a laptop. If you want to move around the house with it and use it, great. Don't forget you'll need to add a wireless router (if you don't have one) if you want to use it multiple locations.

If you just plan on leaving it in a central location, you can get more "bang for your buck" by getting a desktop.

If you do truly want a laptop, I suggest NOT getting a 17" monitor. I made that mistake a number of years ago and while the screen size is nice, it was heavy to lug around. Look for a 14-15" monitor. If you want a larger screen, you can use an normal monitor (but that would only work at a central location).

As far as what to get regarding your list... for memory, processor, and HD, the larger number the better (ie: 4Gigs of RAM is better than 2Gig/500Gig HD is better than 250Gig), but that will come at a cost. As far as operating system, you're pretty much going to be locked into Windows 7. I don't think you'd get a Mac for your cost, and I don't think you want to be working on Linux.

For optical drive, I'd recommend at LEAST a CD burner/DVD player. I'd prefer a DVD burner/player.

Hope this helps.
 
Well you have a good start. Since you want a laptop, it will be a bit easier on you to buy, as you won't have to pick every single part individually by brand/capabilities/etc. as you would if you were custom building a desktop.

So what I would suggest first is going to some of the big name manufacturer's websites and looking at their 17" models with num pads. If the num pad is a required feature you MAY find yourself limited to HP notebooks as I don't recall seeing a Dell machine with one included. But anyway, do reconnaissance work on Dell, HP, maybe Lenovo. Then go to your big box electronics store of choice and look up what you can get for $700-800 with your specs there. Most likely the specs are going to be similar, but there will probably be a bit of variation from machine to machine and if you buy one online, depending on the price you might be able to afford to upgrade parts that are important to you.

Now just going over the parts you listed. You want a good idea of what each of these does and what you think is more important than other things when picking and choosing between the different machines:

Processor - How much power your computer has. Currently most computers are running the Intel line of i3, i5, and i7. That is in order from least to most powerful. I do extensive gaming and engineering work on my laptop (A Dell XPS system) and an i5 is more than enough for me. The i7 is known to run very very hot, which can be a problem for laptops. You won't be able to use it in your lap easily and you'd need to buy an external fan to keep your laptop cool. I'm not sure how much high powered stuff you plan on using, but for internet/small business i3 would probably be fine, maybe an i5 if you find a good deal or want to be on the safe side.

Operating System - Windows 7 is fine and 8 isn't out yet anyway. It's not the resource hog that Vista was, though I am sentimental and prefer XP a little. The only advice I have here concerns if you want to use your old software on a new machine. Windows 7 is 64 bit, which basically means it works completely different from the old 32 bit (Windows XP, Windows 98, etc.) systems. If you have old software that you want to still be able to use, though nothing is guaranteed (Google "program name" windows 7 to see how other people are faring with it) then you should splurge for an upgrade to Windows 7 Professional, as it has an XP mode to handle the things the Home edition can't. Usually an operating system upgrade is an option when making your laptop online. If you're buying off the shelf make sure you know what system is coming with it, and inquire if you can upgrade if you find an in-store you're in love with.

Memory - RAM is a measure of how much "stuff" your computer can do at the same time. As a gamer/engineer I usually buy as much as humanly possible. If you don't think you'll be doing too much at a time you can go with a lower number. 4 GB might be good. 2 GB is kind of on the low end right now. Someone who is a more casual user could maybe give more input on this topic.

Hard Drive - Storage is cheap. Most laptops will come with at least 250 GB and I've never even filled up that much. Unless you're planning on illegally downloading all of Hollywood space will likely not be an issue. Just make sure it has a few hundred and don't worry. You can always make backups. BTW you'll see some laptops with "solid state" harddrives. These are smaller harddrives which are supposed to not break as easily. Don't worry about those, the technology is new and in my opinion not worth the premium paid just yet. Just back up your stuff periodically.

Optical Drive - If you are going to be burning a lot of stuff to CD (I'm guessing due to business, etc.) or playing/ripping a lot of music or doing anything with a CD, make sure your laptop has an optical drive built in. A lot of machines are trying to be ultraportable nowadays and manufacturers are leaving out internal optical drives. Which means you have to buy an external and hook it up via USB if you need to use a CD. Which can be really irritating.

Graphics - If you want to do any gaming or graphic work or movie editing at all, make sure the system has what is called "discrete graphics." "Integrated graphics" means the computer renders graphics off of the processor. "Discrete graphics" means it has a separate little chip that works solely for graphics, so you can get better results and more power. If you aren't gaming and just want movie editing or something, I would just suggest any system with discrete graphics. If you want to game, pick up a box in the store and get an idea of a game's recommended system requirements to see about how many GB (I think 2 at the moment but it's been a while since I've bought a machine) people are designing for nowadays.


I hope all that helped and I didn't overwhelm you! If you have any questions just ask. Good luck! :thumbsup2
 
There are two main factors to laptop price. The processor and screen size. You mentioned 17”, which just happens to be the most expensive option. Are you sure you want it that big? You could knock $200 off the price by going with a 14 or 15” screen, making it much more portable and that savings would more than pay for adding a huge external 23 or 24” monitor.

There are websites such as gotapex.com that watch for online sales, coupon codes, etc. and point out when great deals line up. The problem is the coupons are limited to 1000 orders usually, and the sales are short. You have to check the site daily and be prepared to buy that day. Costco and other warehouse stores actually have great deals on computers, not just laptops. Take this cheat sheet with you and pick out the one you like the best.

Here are the basics. This assumes you do not want to purchase additional memory online and install it yourself, which for a desktop can bring huge savings but not so much for laptops.

Processor:
- Core i5 or i7 (do not concern yourself with speed) will be more than enough power. Best option. The only special caveat is a Core i5 ending with “T” is less desirable than those without the T.
- Core i3, this is the value line. It will be slower than i5 or i7. If you do not intend to do video editing, high end games, or run scientific applications this should be fine and considerably cheaper. In this case, pay attention to the model number. The higher number in this case is worth paying attention to. For example if you see two similarly priced laptops with Core i3 2230M and a Core i3 2640MQ, take the 2640 as that is faster. (Do not concern yourself with this for i5 and i7, the differences won’t be noticeably to you)
- There are non Core I branded options, but it gets too complicated to explain the differences. Core I brand will be the majority of your options anyway.

Memory:
- 4GB is the absolute minimum. 6GB is ideal. 8GB is better, but probably not worth the price premium.

Windows:
- Get Windows 7 Home Premium or Windows 7 Professional. Both should say 64 bit somewhere in the title.
- Common tricks to lower the price is to include a version of Windows that isn’t Home Premium or Professional. Avoid these. Also avoid 32 bit branded versions also. And seriously, if anyone tells you to get Windows XP they obviously are ignorant or trying to sell you some old hardware. Run.

Graphics:
- Cheaper laptops will come with graphics support built in. This is fine unless you want to play a lot of games. Then your experience will suffer greatly. Also you can’t guarantee Windows 8 will 100% support your laptop in the future. If you are going to cut corners, this is one place where taking the graphics that come with the laptop should be fine.
- If the machine has a dedicated graphics card (It will say something like 512 or 1GB graphics) that is a better option, but won’t speed up things like web browsing or Excel. It is strictly for high end games and other graphical elements.

Hard Disk:
- You can always add an external drive for cheap later, so place less emphasis on this. Spend for processor and memory.
- 500 GB should be the minimum you consider. Anything above that is bonus. (Laptop, if considering a desktop you should look for 750 GB as minimum)

Optical Drive:
- If you want to burn CD’s or DVDs, make sure it has –R at the end. A DVD-R should be the minimum you look for, and I doubt they sell them without. RW means you can re-use the same disc, something of minimal value these days.
- Blu-ray will add to the price considerably. Look for it only if you absolutely need to watch Blu-Ray discs.
 

Just to get you started (and echoing most of the advice already given), I started searching a bit on Dell, so you can get an idea:

http://www.dell.com/us/p/laptops?~ck=mn#!facets=135390~0~6687268,55846~0~5930681&p=1

The very first option is 699, includes Win 7 Home Premium and Office Home/Student.

In terms of overall specs, I'd consider it a pretty good system.

You may want to check out other manufacturers, etc, depending on your preference, but figured this might help you get started.
 
Wow!!!!! I thought if I posted here I might get some info. Fyrefly and bonoriffic thanks for the detailed information, you have gone above & beyond what I expected.

You both have given me such great descriptions, it will help me decided where and what I need to upgrade.

I will be checking the websites today and later this afternoon go to a few of the nearby stores.

Thanks again for you time.
 
Just to get you started (and echoing most of the advice already given), I started searching a bit on Dell, so you can get an idea:

http://www.dell.com/us/p/laptops?~ck=mn#!facets=135390~0~6687268,55846~0~5930681&p=1

The very first option is 699, includes Win 7 Home Premium and Office Home/Student.

In terms of overall specs, I'd consider it a pretty good system.

You may want to check out other manufacturers, etc, depending on your preference, but figured this might help you get started.



thanks for setting this up for me, I will check it out this am.
 
Well you have a good start. Since you want a laptop, it will be a bit easier on you to buy, as you won't have to pick every single part individually by brand/capabilities/etc. as you would if you were custom building a desktop.

So what I would suggest first is going to some of the big name manufacturer's websites and looking at their 17" models with num pads. If the num pad is a required feature you MAY find yourself limited to HP notebooks as I don't recall seeing a Dell machine with one included. But anyway, do reconnaissance work on Dell, HP, maybe Lenovo. Then go to your big box electronics store of choice and look up what you can get for $700-800 with your specs there. Most likely the specs are going to be similar, but there will probably be a bit of variation from machine to machine and if you buy one online, depending on the price you might be able to afford to upgrade parts that are important to you.

Now just going over the parts you listed. You want a good idea of what each of these does and what you think is more important than other things when picking and choosing between the different machines:

Processor - How much power your computer has. Currently most computers are running the Intel line of i3, i5, and i7. That is in order from least to most powerful. I do extensive gaming and engineering work on my laptop (A Dell XPS system) and an i5 is more than enough for me. The i7 is known to run very very hot, which can be a problem for laptops. You won't be able to use it in your lap easily and you'd need to buy an external fan to keep your laptop cool. I'm not sure how much high powered stuff you plan on using, but for internet/small business i3 would probably be fine, maybe an i5 if you find a good deal or want to be on the safe side.

Operating System - Windows 7 is fine and 8 isn't out yet anyway. It's not the resource hog that Vista was, though I am sentimental and prefer XP a little. The only advice I have here concerns if you want to use your old software on a new machine. Windows 7 is 64 bit, which basically means it works completely different from the old 32 bit (Windows XP, Windows 98, etc.) systems. If you have old software that you want to still be able to use, though nothing is guaranteed (Google "program name" windows 7 to see how other people are faring with it) then you should splurge for an upgrade to Windows 7 Professional, as it has an XP mode to handle the things the Home edition can't. Usually an operating system upgrade is an option when making your laptop online. If you're buying off the shelf make sure you know what system is coming with it, and inquire if you can upgrade if you find an in-store you're in love with.

Memory - RAM is a measure of how much "stuff" your computer can do at the same time. As a gamer/engineer I usually buy as much as humanly possible. If you don't think you'll be doing too much at a time you can go with a lower number. 4 GB might be good. 2 GB is kind of on the low end right now. Someone who is a more casual user could maybe give more input on this topic.

Hard Drive - Storage is cheap. Most laptops will come with at least 250 GB and I've never even filled up that much. Unless you're planning on illegally downloading all of Hollywood space will likely not be an issue. Just make sure it has a few hundred and don't worry. You can always make backups. BTW you'll see some laptops with "solid state" harddrives. These are smaller harddrives which are supposed to not break as easily. Don't worry about those, the technology is new and in my opinion not worth the premium paid just yet. Just back up your stuff periodically.

Optical Drive - If you are going to be burning a lot of stuff to CD (I'm guessing due to business, etc.) or playing/ripping a lot of music or doing anything with a CD, make sure your laptop has an optical drive built in. A lot of machines are trying to be ultraportable nowadays and manufacturers are leaving out internal optical drives. Which means you have to buy an external and hook it up via USB if you need to use a CD. Which can be really irritating.

Graphics - If you want to do any gaming or graphic work or movie editing at all, make sure the system has what is called "discrete graphics." "Integrated graphics" means the computer renders graphics off of the processor. "Discrete graphics" means it has a separate little chip that works solely for graphics, so you can get better results and more power. If you aren't gaming and just want movie editing or something, I would just suggest any system with discrete graphics. If you want to game, pick up a box in the store and get an idea of a game's recommended system requirements to see about how many GB (I think 2 at the moment but it's been a while since I've bought a machine) people are designing for nowadays.


I hope all that helped and I didn't overwhelm you! If you have any questions just ask. Good luck! :thumbsup2



Thanks again for all the great advise.

One question so far. Regarding the operating system. I currently run windows xp, and I do need to use a few old software products. So in order for those to work I will need to buy "Windows 7 Professional"?
 
Macmall via Ebay has this as the daily deal again. We own this computer (bought thru Macmall as well). We love it and it was affordable.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-G560-15.9in-Dual-Core-320GB-LED-Notebook/260842700158?_trksid=p1468660.m2000036

Daily Deal! MacMall via eBay.com has the Lenovo G560 15.6" Dual-Core Laptop w/ 4GB, 320GB for $339.99. Free shipping is also included on this item.

2010 Intel Core i5 processor
Windows 7 Professional 64
15.6" high-definition LED backlight display, 16:9 widescreen
DVD reader/writer
Integrated high-speed WiFi
Numeric keypad for easier data logging and gaming
Integrated web camera

Intel Pentium Dual Core P6200 2.13GHz, 4GB RAM, 320GB SATA HDD, 15.6" HD TFT LED Backlight Display with VibrantView, DVD±RW, 10/100 Ethernet, 802.11b/g/n wireless, 5-in-1 Card Reader,


These are NEW NOT Refurbs !
 
There are two main factors to laptop price. The processor and screen size. You mentioned 17”, which just happens to be the most expensive option. Are you sure you want it that big? You could knock $200 off the price by going with a 14 or 15” screen, making it much more portable and that savings would more than pay for adding a huge external 23 or 24” monitor.

There are websites such as gotapex.com that watch for online sales, coupon codes, etc. and point out when great deals line up. The problem is the coupons are limited to 1000 orders usually, and the sales are short. You have to check the site daily and be prepared to buy that day. Costco and other warehouse stores actually have great deals on computers, not just laptops. Take this cheat sheet with you and pick out the one you like the best.

Here are the basics. This assumes you do not want to purchase additional memory online and install it yourself, which for a desktop can bring huge savings but not so much for laptops.

Processor:
- Core i5 or i7 (do not concern yourself with speed) will be more than enough power. Best option. The only special caveat is a Core i5 ending with “T” is less desirable than those without the T.
- Core i3, this is the value line. It will be slower than i5 or i7. If you do not intend to do video editing, high end games, or run scientific applications this should be fine and considerably cheaper. In this case, pay attention to the model number. The higher number in this case is worth paying attention to. For example if you see two similarly priced laptops with Core i3 2230M and a Core i3 2640MQ, take the 2640 as that is faster. (Do not concern yourself with this for i5 and i7, the differences won’t be noticeably to you)
- There are non Core I branded options, but it gets too complicated to explain the differences. Core I brand will be the majority of your options anyway.

Memory:
- 4GB is the absolute minimum. 6GB is ideal. 8GB is better, but probably not worth the price premium.

Windows:
- Get Windows 7 Home Premium or Windows 7 Professional. Both should say 64 bit somewhere in the title.
- Common tricks to lower the price is to include a version of Windows that isn’t Home Premium or Professional. Avoid these. Also avoid 32 bit branded versions also. And seriously, if anyone tells you to get Windows XP they obviously are ignorant or trying to sell you some old hardware. Run.

Graphics:
- Cheaper laptops will come with graphics support built in. This is fine unless you want to play a lot of games. Then your experience will suffer greatly. Also you can’t guarantee Windows 8 will 100% support your laptop in the future. If you are going to cut corners, this is one place where taking the graphics that come with the laptop should be fine.
- If the machine has a dedicated graphics card (It will say something like 512 or 1GB graphics) that is a better option, but won’t speed up things like web browsing or Excel. It is strictly for high end games and other graphical elements.

Hard Disk:
- You can always add an external drive for cheap later, so place less emphasis on this. Spend for processor and memory.
- 500 GB should be the minimum you consider. Anything above that is bonus. (Laptop, if considering a desktop you should look for 750 GB as minimum)

Optical Drive:
- If you want to burn CD’s or DVDs, make sure it has –R at the end. A DVD-R should be the minimum you look for, and I doubt they sell them without. RW means you can re-use the same disc, something of minimal value these days.
- Blu-ray will add to the price considerably. Look for it only if you absolutely need to watch Blu-Ray discs.


I assumed that in order to get the number keypad, that I needed a 17" monitor. If that is not the case then I will look into getting a 15" laptop and a larger monitor for home.
 
First, think about why you want a laptop. If you want to move around the house with it and use it, great. Don't forget you'll need to add a wireless router (if you don't have one) if you want to use it multiple locations.

If you just plan on leaving it in a central location, you can get more "bang for your buck" by getting a desktop.

If you do truly want a laptop, I suggest NOT getting a 17" monitor. I made that mistake a number of years ago and while the screen size is nice, it was heavy to lug around. Look for a 14-15" monitor. If you want a larger screen, you can use an normal monitor (but that would only work at a central location).

As far as what to get regarding your list... for memory, processor, and HD, the larger number the better (ie: 4Gigs of RAM is better than 2Gig/500Gig HD is better than 250Gig), but that will come at a cost. As far as operating system, you're pretty much going to be locked into Windows 7. I don't think you'd get a Mac for your cost, and I don't think you want to be working on Linux.

For optical drive, I'd recommend at LEAST a CD burner/DVD player. I'd prefer a DVD burner/player.

Hope this helps.

Thank You, for the info
 
Macmall via Ebay has this as the daily deal again. We own this computer (bought thru Macmall as well). We love it and it was affordable.
Don't buy through Ebay, you will regret it, one way or another.

Your best choice is to buy through Costco and have it configured the way you want it. Absolutely DO NOT go to a Best Buy, Staples, Office Max, etc. They make almost no money on the sale of computers and will attempt to convince you to buy every useless add-on, warranty, etc. that they possibly can.
 
Macmall via Ebay has this as the daily deal again. We own this computer (bought thru Macmall as well). We love it and it was affordable.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-G560-15.9in-Dual-Core-320GB-LED-Notebook/260842700158?_trksid=p1468660.m2000036

Daily Deal! MacMall via eBay.com has the Lenovo G560 15.6" Dual-Core Laptop w/ 4GB, 320GB for $339.99. Free shipping is also included on this item.

2010 Intel Core i5 processor
Windows 7 Professional 64
15.6" high-definition LED backlight display, 16:9 widescreen
DVD reader/writer
Integrated high-speed WiFi
Numeric keypad for easier data logging and gaming
Integrated web camera

Intel Pentium Dual Core P6200 2.13GHz, 4GB RAM, 320GB SATA HDD, 15.6" HD TFT LED Backlight Display with VibrantView, DVD±RW, 10/100 Ethernet, 802.11b/g/n wireless, 5-in-1 Card Reader,


These are NEW NOT Refurbs !


thanks, I will check out today
 
Don't buy through Ebay, you will regret it, one way or another.

Your best choice is to buy through Costco and have it configured the way you want it. Absolutely DO NOT go to a Best Buy, Staples, Office Max, etc. They make almost no money on the sale of computers and will attempt to convince you to buy every useless add-on, warranty, etc. that they possibly can.


Thanks for confirming, something I was thinking. I didn't think I would buy at one of those store, I figured I was only going to look there, but probably buy online through dell or hp. I am in need of a no interest payment plan.
 
Thanks again for all the great advise.

One question so far. Regarding the operating system. I currently run windows xp, and I do need to use a few old software products. So in order for those to work I will need to buy "Windows 7 Professional"?

That's correct. You might want to do a Google search on your old products regarding windows 7 comparability just to be sure, but I'm running pro and so far the XP compatibility built in hasn't let me down.
 
WOW - I stumbled on this thread as I know a new desktop is on our (hopefully not too near) future. that was some GREAT, and easily understandable, info :thumbsup2 if I may add a question; we have had dells for years, but as I'm sure many will agree, the support had gotten really horrible (I normally have to go up "levels" to finally get a person who knows more about fixing a PC than I do :headache: and then the conversation takes twice as long as it should because of their very limited english and my difficultly deciphering their english). I've heard HP PCs are reliable - how about their support?

Btw OP, I agree with PPs - there is no such thing as TOO much RAM :)
 
Most old, maybe not ancient, software will run on Windows 7 without needing the XP compatibility mode. You might check your specific requirements. It might be easier to just replace whatever software won't work with WIN 7.

You probably either have recovery disks or a recovery partition on your old Dell machine. You can probably get your old machine running, even if you just use it for a spare machine.

Windows upgrade won't let you transfer a program from an XP machine to a WIN 7 machine. You need to reinstall the program.

http://www.pickmeapp.com/

Will let you "transfer" many programs from an XP machine to a Windows 7 machine without needing the original disks.
 
Thanks for confirming, something I was thinking. I didn't think I would buy at one of those store, I figured I was only going to look there, but probably buy online through dell or hp. I am in need of a no interest payment plan.
I only treat Best Buy as a place to physically inspect items before purchasing them online from some place else. ;)

To me they are only the showroom for Amazon/NewEgg/TigerDirect. :rotfl:
 
Sometimes the sale price at places like Staples/BestBuy is competitive. I suspect some of the labor day sales will be reasonable.

Some people like shopping in a B&M store.

You just have to avoid the hard sell for service contracts and overpriced accessories.

Be very careful with service contracts. Some (many? most?) salesmen will insist you'll be covered for accidental coverage as long as you claim the unit wasn't dropped. Assume the unit will be checked and no matter what you claim damage which resulted from accidents will only be covered if you paid $$$ for a service contract which specifically covers accidental damage.
 
A few years back I bought a Toshiba from Amazon. Hated it. Didn't like the way it felt. In June, I bought a Sony (numeric keypad) from Best Buy. I went, I looked, I felt the feel of the keyboards, and picked it out. Then ordered it online for pick up at the store to avoid all the hard sells. I love it!
 












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