HELP!! My 4 year old won't potty train...

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what should I do? He turned 4 in November and was successful with #1 all the time. He would only go #2 in the potty occassionally. We've tried leaving him in underwear so it didn't feel good, letting him pick out new underwear, poopy-prizes for everytime he goes even a little bit. Nothing seems to work! Now in the last couple of weeks he's not even holding back on #1. ARGH!!! Any suggestions???
 
Have you spoken to your pediatrician to make sure there isn't a medical reason?

Otherwise, I guess he'll train when he's ready. A lot of people use something like the WDW kids clubs or a cruise or something along those lines, telling the child they have to be trained to participate.

Good luck to you.

Anne
 
and they stripped him down and no undies.....he had a fit and he ran to the potty .......my friends granddaughter wanted to go to pre school but she would not go on the potty.....well they took her to look the pre school over and she was trained in two days........alot of people use different types of BRIBES........we did the buy a two wheeler bike and then if they did it on purpose in their britches we put the bike away ......that took a few turns of not having it....but it worked.....so in other words......try different ones.....see what will work for your child
 
Our son was exactly the same way. The bribes worked occasionally, but we had times when he would writhe on the floor because he needed to go and would NOT use the toilet, and we had outlawed pull-ups becuase he would head for the closet as soon as he got one of those one. Was it the need to stand? Was it a control issue (mostly, I think)? Whatever, the main goal was to stay calm and keep from letting our emotions make things worse. The more frustrated we would get with him, the more it set him back. My mom said the pediatrician had told her to relax way back when I was going through this, and pointed out that no one ever heads out to college not potty trained. By 4 1/2 he was doing fine. Hang in there!
 

I'm not sure that any advice I give would really be valid. My son will be 4 in April and he has just started to do #1 in the potty. He refuses to sit on the potty at all, therefore no #2 (seems really afraid). What worked this summer with his twin sister was to allow her to run around the house without any bottoms on (no pull-up allowed until bedtime). We have hard wood floors and I had to follow her around with the Swiffer wet jet for a couple days, but after three days she didn't have any more accidents. I recently did the same with my son (he wasn't receptive at all last summer) and it worked really well for #1 (they really don't like having accidents on the floor), but my son refused to do #2 for 2 days. He has constipation issues, so we gave him big boy underwear and he immediately did his business in them. I guess what I'm trying to say is that every child is different. Get information on as many techniques as possible, try as many as you agree with, and be consistent. Barring any medical problems, your son will eventually potty train (at least that's what I keep telling myself).
 
Originally posted by DemonLlama
Our son was exactly the same way. The bribes worked occasionally, but we had times when he would writhe on the floor because he needed to go and would NOT use the toilet, and we had outlawed pull-ups becuase he would head for the closet as soon as he got one of those one. Was it the need to stand? Was it a control issue (mostly, I think)? Whatever, the main goal was to stay calm and keep from letting our emotions make things worse. The more frustrated we would get with him, the more it set him back. My mom said the pediatrician had told her to relax way back when I was going through this, and pointed out that no one ever heads out to college not potty trained. By 4 1/2 he was doing fine. Hang in there!

This is by far the best advice, even though I know it's very hard. Also check out www.familyfun.com and look at the ages and stages and parenting advice, at both of these they have a list of what your child should be doing to see if he is ready to train. Again I know it's very hard not to get upset, but sometimes this happens with boys(and I guess girls, but everything i read says "boys")
 
Oh I also forgot "they" now call it "toliet learning" and you may want to to a google search using that term from some good advice.
 
You are not alone. We struggled mightily with our first DD and tried everything under the sun. We got ZERO support from our pediatrician who kept telling us that she'd do it when she was ready. I'm sorry, but I got TIRED of hearing this advice as she neared the age of 4. She was fine with #1 but turned 4 having NEVER had a BM on the potty. It was definitely a fear/phobia.

I won't describe on a family forum what we finally had to go through to get her past this but if you PM for details, I'll share.

*hugs* and best wishes from someone who has been there.

Peggy
 
Go to amazon.com and look up potty training books. There is one, titled something like potty training in less than a day, or something like that. It works. The method was initially designed for disabled children. It works with non-disabled children as well. On other travel boards, I heard mostly positive things about it. It also worked in our house.
 
I used puishment. I know..I know...you are not suppose to blah blah...it took my son 2 turning 3 two months to be potty trained. I left him naked when he was home...he did great! So then, I started putting underwear on him. He wouldn't pee, but he would poop in them. Finally, my DH had enough. he told my son everytime he pooped in his underwear he had to take a shower.

Now..normally this would be a good thing..he would be clean, but my son is afraid of water being poured on his head. We put him in the shower 3 times...twice when he pooped in his underwear and once when he smacked his sister and made her bleed...she was 11 months. Anyway, it worked like a charm.

My girlfriend had the same problem, but I gave her a different approach..she didn't like the extreme punishemnt. I told her to put her daughter in the bathtub and make her clean herself up. Everytime her daughter pooped in her underwear, she threw her in the bathtub and closed the door. gave her daughter the wipes and told her daughter to clean herself. The first time, she litterally had to take her daughters hand and force her to do it. It took her two weeks and by the end..her daughter had had enough of cleaning it all up...she went in the potty.

Whatever you do, just know that I dont know anyone that poops in their underwear that is my age (26) so...it will happen. Sometimes you just have to push a little harder...GOOD LUCK to both of you!!!
 
Thanks for the help/info/support. I'm relieved to hear that my darling boy isn't the only 4 year old still doing this. We want to send him to the pre-school we sent our older son to next fall so maybe taking him by and showing him everything will be motivating. We've talked about how he can't go to preschool unless he is potty-trained and he tells us "that's ok mommy, I'm going to baby school"! I've definitely been showing him my frustration. I'm so sick of cleaning it. Enough already!!! I'll try to not show him any emotion and see what happens.
 
Another thought. My girlfriend used a variation of what I used. She thought putting her son in the bathtub wouldn't work for her because her son likes to be messy and would proabably play with the poop rather than be upset that he had to clean it up.

Also, her son liked showers..so that wouldnt work. She put her son in a cold shower. Well, three cold showers later and he was trained too. Like I said...Good Luck to all of you!!!
 
First 3 kids I never had a problem with and even the boy was potty trained well by 3.

BUT.. little son (kid #4) had constipation once when he was just about to turn 3. It hurt so bad for him to go that time that he began to hold it and was REALLY afraid to go poop. ANYWHERE. He was pee trained so we werent using diapers (even asked him if he wanted them.. NO! ) He would hold his poop for DAYS..3 or 4 sometimes 5 days until he couldnt hold it anymore and would poop in his pants and also it would make him pee on himself. (I had just met my hubby too.. Hi this is my son, sory if he pees on your floor while hes pooping in his pants :rolleyes: ) He refused diapers and because it was such a fear thing there just want anything I could do except wait for him to grow out of it.. I finally caught him once just before he went and got him to sit on the potty and he suddenly discovered it didnt hurt....it went on for about 4 months, but BOY was it tough while it lasted.

My 3 year old now has had bladder control since before 2. I could ask him pee and he would around 18 months. I NEVER tried to potty train him until we got a potty a little after his second birthday, but it has always been optional. If I leave him naked he will use the potty to pee but is REALLY afraid of pooping (or sitting) on the potty ( I think he needs to stand) so we are waiting.. but it would be nice if I didnt have to clean up stinky diapers anymore.
 
My son was also 4 and kept doing the 2 in his pants. At the time I just had a baby plus a 2 year old. So three in diapers was not pretty! After he did 2 in his pants I made him wash them out himself in the sink. That took care of it, only one time. I don't think I scarred him because he was laughing about it the other day when he was washing dishes. He said Boy just stand me on a chair with a pair of underwear and this brings back memories!
 
One other idea is to 'farm him out' to someone else. Sounds a bit crazy:), but your own kids know what your pressure buttons are. But, when someone else is training them, it's a new ballgame for them. My mom had to do that with my sister and I kinda did that with my son. In my son's case, I hadn't really pushed it too much, but we had a week away from home with our daughter in the hospital, so my sister (who was a SAHM at the time) had to keep him for us. So she just went ahead and finished training him for us. Kept him on his toes. (we think he may have thought that we'd given him to her, not just spent time away because of his sister):)!
And, with my sister, my Mom had been at her wit's end. She sent her to stay with a friend of my grandmother's, and that woman had her trained in no time flat! Sometimes it pays to 'shake' the kids up a bit.:)
BTW, GOOD LUCK!
Kim
 
It's by John Rosemond, Director of the Center for Affirmative Parenting. He's a psychologist and believes in parents being parents and not friends of their kids. This is what he wrote in the column:

TOILET TRAINING MUST START EARLY

The longer parents wait after 24 months, the harder it will be

Is it easier to house-train a 6-month-old puppy or a 1-year-old dog? The puppy, right? If you wait until the dog is a year old, you will have the devil to pay, and you may be dealing with a dog who just doesn't seem to "get it" for several years or more. Most people understand that waiting too long to house-train a puppy is going to create problems. Why do many of those same folks not understand that the same applies to a human being?

Historical and cross-cultural data clearly indicate that the "season" for toilet training is between 15 and 24 months. Furthermore, the longer one waits after 24 months to initiate training, the harder it will be for parent and child. Fifty years ago, more than 9 out of 10 American children were trained before their second birthdays -- on time, in other words.

That was before a grandfatherly pediatrician convinced parents that toilet training was fraught with apocalyptic psychological ramifications and convinced them that given time, children would train themselves.

Now parents wait and wait and wait, counting "readiness signs" and suggesting to their children that perhaps they'd like to at least make the attempt. "No? All right then, but when you think you'd like to try, let me know, okay?"

The grandfatherly pediatrician alluded to above maintains that toilet training below age 2 requires "force." Wrong again! If a child is not trained during toilet training's season, and becomes what is known as "toileting-resistant," it will require force to accomplish what should have been accomplished before -- in some cases, years before.

A year or so ago, while flying from somewhere to somewhere else, my seatmate and I began talking. He asked what I did and I told him. He began sharing with me some problems he and his wife were having with their 4-year-old son, one of which was the child's refusal to use the toilet. The 4-year-old was still in diapers. He asked my advice.

I told him that he and his wife should first get rid of the diapers, pull-ups, and any other evidence of the problem. The child should walk around the house wearing only thin cotton pants (not absorbent training pants!) and a T-shirt until his education was complete. Meanwhile, they should pump him full of water. I emphasized water, as opposed to sugar-sweetened drinks, including fruit juice.

A timer should be set to go off every hour, on the hour, at which time the child should be directed/taken to the bathroom and told he cannot come out until he has produced a significant amount of waste of one sort or another.

Furthermore, I said, accidents should result in the child being sent to his room, which should be "cleansed" of his favorite playthings and where he is to wait until the potty bell next rings. In this instance, when he produces, he goes back to his room until the bell rings again. And so on. The father listened intently, but I wasn't sure if he thought I was nuts or on to something.

A few months later, he sent me this e-mail: "You may remember sitting next to the dad who complained about his 4-year-old son's toileting problems. You were so right about the `cold turkey' thing. To make a long story short, I spoke to my wife on the phone right after our flight and told her what you had said.

"That evening, while I was still away, she began the program. When the bell rang, she took him to the bathroom and told him he couldn't come out until he'd done something, and the something had to more than just a `piddle.' Meanwhile, she was pumping him full of water, as you had advised. She even told him that if he hadn't gone by bedtime, she'd put his sleeping bag in there.

It took him 4 hours of standing in the bathroom with nothing to do before he gave in. Anyway, it worked, and he was incredibly proud of himself. He hasn't had a problem since. Amazing that something we'd struggled with for two years was over with in one night."

Please note, dear reader, that the "force" in question did not create a psychological issue; rather, it eliminated one.

John Rosemond
 
I love John Rosemond (most of the time). I was just reading that article today.
 
I agree with the poster who said that she made her son clean his underwear. 4 years old is old enough to understand that actions have consequences- if you pee or poop in your pants, you have to clean yourself and your clothes.
 
I absolutely detest John Rosemond. I've been reading his column as long as I've been a parent and have had the "pleasure" of hearing him speak three times. He is even more self rightous in person than in his column. I also consider one of my biggest parenting errors to be a Rosemond behavior plan adopted at the suggestion of the school guidance counselor for my son when he was in first grade. Although he sometimes offers sound, common sense advice, he just as often comes up with garbage like the column just printed. His basic advice on potty training works for some kids -- did for one of mine -- and I agree totally about Pullups, but did you notice he offered absolutely no advice for the children whose potty training is not solved by his solution? I also object to his thinly veiled criticism of Dr. Braselton -- I would have more respect for Rosemond if he went ahead and mentioned Braselton by name. I like Braselton BTW, who is thoughtful and acknowledges that kids are different from each other, while Rosemond's solutions are often soundbites.

Sorry to hijack this thread, but Rosemond really rubs me wrong.
 
I have not read all the replies to this thread. My DS potty trained a few months before he turned 3. We had been trying with him for a while before that. We were expecting a baby. I wanted him to be potty trained by then. It did not happen so I just kept encouraging him. What did work is a Potty video. I bought it at Wal-Mart and he loved it. They sing in it. A few days of watching the video he was potty trained.
 

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