Have you gotten a COVID vaccine?

[danissmart]

Of course you'll make your own decision. But saying there is no reason for a young healthy person to be vaccinated is just wrong. The only way we're shutting down circulation of this virus is to have a critical mass of people of all ages vaccinated.

Where are you getting that info from? I am seeing masks and distancing even after we are vaxxed. Can still get it and still pass it on.

 

[mom2rtk]

I was reading that Israel is questioning the effectiveness given for the first dose. The news article said "Many people have been infected between the first and second injections of the vaccine,” Ash said, adding that the protective effect appears “lower than [the data] presented by Pfizer.”

Ash is said to be their equivalent of our Fauci. One of my main concerns throughout is if we have too many people walking around with just 1 dose. I was already concerned about that but hearing they may, in at least one country, question the already low (IMO) efficacy of 52% for 1 dose isn't making my concerns any better.

I would be curious to know at what point these people were infected. It does take a bit of time for any vaccine to reach its full potential (even if it's just 52% or whatever after a first dose). If second doses are being given at 3 or 4 weeks, then most of that timeframe is spent developing its full potential.

Unless Israel is waiting longer between doses?

 

[mom2rtk]

Where are you getting that info from? I am seeing masks and distancing even after we are vaxxed. Can still get it and still pass it on.

I didn't say anything about masks and distancing. I'm talking about people getting sick and dying.

My hunch is that the masks and distancing will be around until the sickness and dying plummet. That won't happen until a critical mass of people get the vaccine. Even though young people don't get as sick, them getting it still circulates the disease.

 

[danissmart]

I didn't say anything about masks and distancing. I'm talking about people getting sick and dying.

My hunch is that the masks and distancing will be around until the sickness and dying plummet. That won't happen until a critical mass of people get the vaccine. Even though young people don't get as sick, them getting it still circulates the disease.

But getting the Vax apparently doesn’t stop the disease from circulating. You see the conundrum?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

In NY our numbers for vaccines distributed do not include Nursing Home patients. Those numbers are under a different federal guideline and the Cuomo said that all nursing home residents have had at least their first dose and many have had their second.

So question, because this is what people use, news stories use, etc.

Is the 2+ million doses distributed accurate then on CDC tracker but the number of doses administered not? The other poster said there was no way they had gotten 2 million doses but if that number includes LTC it would make sense and then it would just be an issue where the number of doses administered, because of what data they have available, they only list those residents located outside of LTC. Does that all make sense?

 

[TwoMisfits]

In NY our numbers for vaccines distributed do not include Nursing Home patients. Those numbers are under a different federal guideline and the Cuomo said that all nursing home residents have had at least their first dose and many have had their second. I joked the other night with my kids I was the 1 millionth person (not really). Both my husband who received Moderna and I (Pfizer) complained of our arms hurting and our necks. Much better yesterday and completely gone today. My co teacher who went on Tuesday felt terrible yesterday - like she went 5 rounds with Mike Tyson and she was running a slight fever last night. She also reacts this way to the flu vaccine so just a warning to people who may react to the flu vaccine.

On another note I am interested to see how things go in Israel. Their cases keep climbing but they have had the most aggressive vaccination campaign. It will be interesting to see what happens within the next couple of weeks but they are also in a 3rd lockdown so it might be difficult to discern lockdown vs. vaccine.

Yeah, I saw Israel is computing a 1st shot only Pfizer effective rate of 32% (23% less than Pfizer's work concluded), so it seems trying to push off 2nd shots would be an awful idea...unless Israel and Pfizer are computing differently...

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I would be curious to know at what point these people were infected. It does take a bit of time for any vaccine to reach its full potential (even if it's just 52% or whatever after a first dose). If second doses are being given at 3 or 4 weeks, then most of that timeframe is spent developing its full potential.

Unless Israel is waiting longer between doses?

It's the same question I had, you need like what 10-12 days after the first dose? That said the news article I read did not have that information. I don't think Israel is waiting longer between doses..or at least I don't remember that being their strategy (sorry if I'm incorrect on that).

Also I heard that in exchange for Pfizer to give Israel more vaccine and quicker than other countries Israel is going to give Pfizer data information. That is not sitting well with concerns that the act itself along with how other big countries who have paid so much are able to get vaccines for their populations while countries who cannot afford it may be left behind (Palestine was mentioned in the article likely because its proximity to Israel). There are concerns with privacy data too. It's akin to selling your information just without money being exchanged. I know this was something during the vaccine developments last summer they stressed they wanted countries to consider other countries who will need the protection as well. The data share in exchange for vaccine and the aggressive vaccination are seen as a political move mostly as Israel's Prime Minister is up for re-election and it's become one of his main things he talks about (the aggressiveness of vaccination).

 

[danissmart]

Yeah, I saw Israel is computing a 1st shot only Pfizer effective rate of 32% (23% less than Pfizer's work concluded), so it seems trying to push off 2nd shots would be an awful idea...unless Israel and Pfizer are computing differently...

They are. Israel is still testing Asymptotic people. Pfizer didn’t count asymptotics as positive cases.

 

[mom2rtk]

But getting the Vax apparently doesn’t stop the disease from circulating. You see the conundrum?

You're taking the absence of proof as proof to the contrary.

They don't know it won't stop the disease from circulating. They just don't have the proof yet that it does. They focused on safety and efficacy first to get a vaccine in arms a year after a pandemic started. They'll get to that part.

 

[DVC-Don]

Got my first shot last night at the Orlando Convention Center.

 

[amylevan]

But getting the Vax apparently doesn’t stop the disease from circulating. You see the conundrum?

First, we don’t actually know that yet. There is no data to support the stopping of spread. But on the other hand, there is no data to NOT support the stopping of spread. It simply has not been studied because of the time crunch.

Second, the vaccine does not need to stop all from spreading to stop a pandemic. See article.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...top-covid-transmission-to-curb-the-pandemic1/

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Got my first shot last night at the Orlando Convention Center.

That sounds like a great spot for getting a lot of people vaccinated. I was curious and looked it up and saw a great article where they explained the process for that location (and that the site had been used for COVID testing too). They had a Q&A and one of the questions was are there bathrooms and the answer was portalets and washing stations both in line and in the observation area. Honestly had not considered bathroom access for a drive-thru site.

 

[danissmart]

You're taking the absence of proof as proof to the contrary.

They don't know it won't stop the disease from circulating. They just don't have the proof yet that it does. They focused on safety and efficacy first to get a vaccine in arms a year after a pandemic started. They'll get to that part.

No. I’m just reading and listening to what I’m being told by our health overlords. Vaccine does not equal normalcy. Vaccine doesn’t stop spread. Therefore no reason to be jabbed with an experimental vaccine.

 

[mom2rtk]

No. I’m just reading and listening to what I’m being told by our health overlords. Vaccine does not equal normalcy. Vaccine doesn’t stop spread. Therefore no reason to be jabbed with an experimental vaccine.

I think a lot of that is about making sure people don't ditch the mask the minute they get their own vaccine. I have every confidence masks are going away once a critical mass has been vaccinated.

In a way, you are making it a self fulfilling prophecy. The more people decide against the vaccine, the longer the masks will last.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

I read recently that it is believed that 60% of the eligible population will voluntarily get the vaccine. Children can not get the vaccine and there may never be a vaccine for children under 12.

So what is considered the critical mass we need vaccinated to end masks and social distancing? I always thought it was 70% but if they believe 60% will get it voluntarily and kids can’t be vaccinated we are nowhere near 70%.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

In a way, you are making it a self fulfilling prophecy. The more people decide against the vaccine, the longer the masks will last.

Quite true. In the U.S. social distancing and masks are the two salient things to our ways of life. Other countries lock down at a moment's notice (some over a handful of cases) but they are not able to get rid of the virus either that way but their way of life becomes quite different than ours here in the U.S. What we need most in the U.S. if people want to stop relying on masks and social distancing to keep COVID numbers down is large amounts of our population to have this vaccine. I don't know when the worst of the worst of this pandemic will end and it no longer is considered a pandemic by definition but it stands a higher chance of dragging on and on and on. Today marks 1 year since COVID was officially found (though we know it had been here before that) and the virus is still raging on a high enough level.

 

[mom2rtk]

I read recently that it is believed that 60% of the eligible population will voluntarily get the vaccine. Children can not get the vaccine and there may never be a vaccine for children under 12.

So what is considered the critical mass we need vaccinated to end masks and social distancing? I always thought it was 70% but if they believe 60% will get it voluntarily and kids can’t be vaccinated we are nowhere near 70%.

I think this is one of those things where you have to just take a deep breath and move forward. I don't think that 70% is a hard and fast number, more of an educated guess.

Not enough people getting the vaccine could very well freeze us in this morass. Why not give at least see what's behind door number 2?

Maybe the kids will all just get it (remember, their serious complication rate is very low) and between that and the over 12's getting vaccinated, we will indeed have herd immunity.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I read recently that it is believed that 60% of the eligible population will voluntarily get the vaccine. Children can not get the vaccine and there may never be a vaccine for children under 12.

So what is considered the critical mass we need vaccinated to end masks and social distancing? I always thought it was 70% but if they believe 60% will get it voluntarily and kids can’t be vaccinated we are nowhere near 70%.

I think the issue is time. We're asking people to get vaccinated, so many people, in a short amount of time. People don't have years or decades to think on it, to sit on it. There's this urgency here. I get both sides to that really. Some may feel pushed into getting the vaccine saying they'll want to wait for several years and some may simply say we just don't have that time for you to do that.

As an honesty measure I tend to be more sympathetic towards hesitancy on vaccine when it's not about politics, when it's not about misinformation and when it's not about "I'll just continue to isolate and you guys can be the guinea pigs" but so many of it is framed that way. And I don't just speak about this regarding the DIS, it's on my social media, it's on my husband's side of the family (where the ones not wanting to get it is steeped in misinformation and political conspiracies), etc.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

No. I’m just reading and listening to what I’m being told by our health overlords. Vaccine does not equal normalcy. Vaccine doesn’t stop spread. Therefore no reason to be jabbed with an experimental vaccine.

Your usage of the word overlord is telling..

 

[Sarah'sMomfrom PA]

the form I filled out didn't even have that much info, just contact info and said they would call me to schedule. I haven't received a call yet but UPMC emailed me and said they don't have enough vaccine.

Are you anywhere near a Geisinger facility. I registered my husband the other night (I will receive my 2nd Moderna shot on Tuesday since I work at a hospital) and they had lots of appointments. You just need to go on their mygeisinger site portal and fill out the information. I had several of my vendors go on the site yesterday and they were all able to snag appointments. The only problem is that Geisinger only goes out to the center of the state so if you are out near Pittsburgh or Erie, that would be a ride. They have lots of clinics and facilities in our area (Scranton/Wilkes Barre) and their main campus is in Danville. Good luck in your search....might be worth it do plan a day trip to Geisinger!