Hate to do this, but have a topic about abortion...

[chadfromdallas]

Thou shalt not kill has already been adopted. I don't think we need to go beyond that for this discussion.

Thou shalt not kill has NOT been adopted. You can kill someone in defense if they enter your house. You can kill someone if you are law enforcement if the situation calls for it.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Thou shalt not kill has already been adopted. I don't think we need to go beyond that for this discussion​

And yet Jewish law views it differently,as Jesus would have known..the Talmud actually gives very specific instructions about how to abort if the mothers life is a stake.J esus,they say, was well educated in the laws of the Talmud

 

[Immelman]

it's just tissue sucked out through a high speed vacuum. nothing more. no higher thought process going on. no different than a hamster eating her young.

 

[IMGONNABE40!]

Thou shalt not kill has been adopted. Look at the statutes against premeditated murder in 50 states, the DofC and federal law. When one schedules an appointment for an abortion (mother or doctor) that is a premeditated act--not an act of self defense. In the RARE instance where it is necessary to save the life of the mother, your self defense argument may have some merit. I reiterate, these instances are few and far between. More often then not, it is just not convenient for a mom to take responsibility for her actions. This does not mean that the child poses a legitimate threat to the mother which warrants death for the child.

 

[chadfromdallas]

When one schedules an appointment for an abortion (mother or doctor) that is a premeditated act--not an act of self defense.

It doesn't matter. You are not killing a child when you have an abortion. You are getting rid of a mass of cells/fetus.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I view it somewhere in the middle..It is not*just a clump of cells* nor is it a human being. I view it as a potential human being

 

[jenfur]

I just read the first page and last because this topic gets REAL old REAL fast. My only comments are, Freedom of Speech applies to everyone and since no one on this board believes one persons belief should be forced on another, no one should be forced to accept that a pre-born baby is something less than human if they choose not too.

 

[chadfromdallas]

I just read the first page and last because this topic gets REAL old REAL fast. My only comments are, Freedom of Speech applies to everyone and since no one on this board believes one persons belief should be forced on another, no one should be forced to accept that a pre-born baby is something less than human if they choose not too.

hince why it is ridiculous to make abortion illegal.

 

[LoraJ]

BTW, the life of the mother is rarely credible issue.

Well in many cases it is, and I see so many people on these boards saying that the mother STILL shouldn't have an abortion to save their own lives. Doesn't sound very pro-life to me.


I was one of those who said I would never have an abortion, and my reasons have NOTHING to do with God. It is people like you who turn me off from religion.

Edit:
Jenny your story is so inspiring. Hang in there. This week will be rough but we are here for you. Thank you for sharing your story with us.

 

[Serena]

How about this. Abortion prevents a life from developing in the womb. So does birth control, all forms.
So what's next? So does sterilization. So does not having sex every chance we women get because we have eggs needing to be fertilized every single month. There's a half a life ready and willing to be fertilized, and should we be permitted to decide if that egg should be fertilized? Should someone else get to decide for us if we want that egg fertilized?

Should someone other than the person directly responsible be in charge of whether or not we are ready, able and capable of having and taking care of a baby. No, and gratefully the legal system agrees.

 

[JerseyJanice]

I read the OP near when it was first posted, then the first few pages. Read the last couple, but didn't have the time to keep up in between.

(Saying this in case I repeat something already posted here.)

I do believe abortion is the taking of a human life. I wouldn't do it, but I can see situations where a woman felt she had little other choice. (There but for the Grace of God go I, I say.)

I don't think militant anti-abortion groups do a good job of spreading their message. The thought that a woman could be accosted on her way into a medical facility where she might have one is horrific to me. There are groups who do a much more productive job IMO of trying to convince others that abortion isn't a great choice.

Among them, this organization does an awesome job: www.birthright.org.

 

[Immelman]

whatever. every species in nature kills or ignores the weak and or lame in it's own litter. it's called survival of the fittest, and you own your very existence to it. we've figured out how to make it surgery. don't drag your 'god' into it.

 

[IMGONNABE40!]

Chad--have you taken a close look at that "clump of cells"? It is not a "just", anymore than you are a just. I challenge you to look into the devopmental process of a preborn person and then say it is "just a clump of cells".

Immelmann--all I can say is wow!

 

[chadfromdallas]

No, and gratefully the legal system agrees.

and lets hope it stays that way!

 

[crazyforgoofy]

I just read the first page and last because this topic gets REAL old REAL fast. My only comments are, Freedom of Speech applies to everyone and since no one on this board believes one persons belief should be forced on another, no one should be forced to accept that a pre-born baby is something less than human if they choose not too.

Not sure I agree with you that no one on this board believes their beliefs should be forced on another. And no one should be forced to accept that a six or twelve week fetus should never be aborted no matter what the circumstance. The law is on the side of choice.

I am old enough to remember young women who died before abortion was legal. I wish birth control was freely available for every woman and girl who needs it. I wish abortion was seldom needed. I will fight with my last breath to keep abortion safe and legal.

 

[chadfromdallas]

Chad--have you taken a close look at that "clump of cells"? It is not a "just", anymore than you are a just. I challenge you to look into the devopmental process of a preborn person and then say it is "just a clump of cells".

You're talking to a college student who has taken 3 biology labs in the past 2 years on the subject. I know the exact steps.

 

[IMGONNABE40!]

Chad--I am not sure that answers the challenge. I took biology in college as well. It convinced me of quite the opposite. Though I must say, I felt much as you do when I was a young naive college student.

But I am old. Gotta hit the sack. Thanks for the civil discourse all. I will be sure to pray for your souls as I drift off!

 

[Immelman]

genetic material? you're about 3 separations from a banana. human beings aren't exactly a DNA masterpiece. we just have a frontal lobe.

 

[magicfan]

It's hard to put this into words, but, I feel (this is only my personal opinion) that the fetus is the beginning of a life. If that life is not allowed to proceed to full term, this child- to -be will never be. For example: if you abort your fetus, then get pregnant later on in life when you are ready, that child (the second one) who is born is not the exact same child who would have been born before. I would feel that the first "child" was denied life, and never will be. No two people are the same. Does that make sense? When I met my birth-son, he thanked me for letting him live. It is impossible to describe how that made me feel.

We all have free will to make our own decisions, we just have to be able to live with them, and live with any consequences there may be. Go with your heart.

 

[Immelman]

duh. the proteins that interact are different. chem 101