Has the accident in Disneyland had any impact on Disney World

I read the miceage link from the previous posts - and well... even that has what appears to be conflicting stories in it... I won't get into it... and frankly I had no idea that Space Mountain there has been shut down and will be shuit down into the foreseeable future.

they do however elaborate on a phenomena I mentioned on another board one time. And that is how Disney is being run. Here is my diatribe.

I find it an utter travesty that Michael Eisner and his fellow scumbags have taken Walt Disney and his family's vision and *****d it beyond comprehension. Don't get me wrong I am a business man, profit is good, I don't even have a problem with being greedy and materialistic. But when those values cross the line and have a negative impact on business - well in my mind you are nothing short of a complete scumbag leach.

I noticed in our last trip that parts of WDW were in disrepair, others on the board have mentioned CM's seem to not be as happy, as helpful etc. This article points out maintanane was one area where Eisner and friends decided to save a little money. Then on top of that they lay off workers. Now I realize sometimes you have to lay off workers. But when you have just been paid 700 million dollars for one year as Eisner has... the first thing you do out of loyalty to the founder's vision, and loyalty to all those who depend on you is.... you pay yourself less.

Think about it, this scumbag is milking Disney for all he can. The company has shown sub par performance for years. He leveraged Assets the Disney Family made to acquire and build garbage with below median performance for over a decade. The bean counters, the short run bottom line to themselves - is what these guys bow to. Walts vision has been hijacked.

If Eisner the thief paid himself 50 million a year - no one at Disney would have needed to be laid off - maintanence staff could be kept fully staffed or even overstaffed. But no - they cut costs elsewhere and pay themselves more even though their build out of assets is an abominable failure. Imagine - if Disney had 500,000 employees each one could have a 1400 dollar raise without Eisners leaching off the company. With 250,000 employees 2800. With the 112,000 employees as stated in financials that is a raise of over 6000 dollars per employee. People visiting the parks would be greated by mighty happy CMs, if not somewhat Giddy CMs.

Taking such a wondeful vision as Disney's and leveraging for ones own egocentric goals, while allowing that original vision to become secondary to ones own paycheck is...well its disgusting. It is the vision that created the asset and its opportunities in the first place. Putting money and self interest ahead of that vision often destroys the very thing that makes the money in the fiorst place. Very short sighted.

It wasn't Disney, it wasn't the maintenance workers, It was Michael Eisner that made this accident.
 
I agree with the previos post about the layofff of workers leading to some problems in the park. All the layoffs in the past few years can only have a negative effect on safety, cleanliness, etc. even if it is in small amounts. Someone mentioned there have only been 10 deaths at DL in the past 50 years. Ok, the first 8 were rider negligence. The last 2, in the past 5 years were Disney negligence. One case was the cleet from the Columbia ship that hit and killed someone. Now the BTMRR. Seems like Disney has gotten a bit sloppy in the past few years. Also, there is something called the Florida loophole that not only protects WDW but other FL themeparks. If a theme park employs more than 1000 people, they receive special treatment re many of the procedures that safeguard the public. In fact, Disney has its own team that descends on any accident, they have their own ambulances, fire, etc. They assess the scene and interview witnesses prior to any police or municipal EMS. They control the info that gets out to the press, they don't have any legal responsibility to report non-fatal accidents, and more. You don't see the people on the BTMRR ride talking to the press, do you? They have special language written about what constitutes an "accident" - if the person was in a ride car, out of it, etc. I learned a lot about these things recently from someone who is researching Disney the company for an MBA project. Although they do seem very thorough and safe, I was amazed at how much they can and probably do get away with.
 
Last time I was at WDW BTMRR was down for refurbishment so we never got to ride on it. Now I'm not sure if I will be able to ride it next time. Makes me nervous no matter how remote the incident was.
 
Whether the locomotive derailed and lurched to the side or whether a part of the tunnel structure came loose and was hit by the locomotive, or whether the locomotive started to disintegrate first we don't know yet. But once the locomotive shell started (or continued) to disintegrate from hitting the tunnel wall or hitting something else out of place, then the people directly behind would be injured from the pieces of the locomotive. The crushing of the locomotive shell and wedging of it in the tunnel was probably enough to bring the train to a quick stop.

Not all of the upgrades have anti-rollback (that makes the clattering sound as the train coasts up). So the train may have rolled back but probably after the injuries were inflicted.

The descriptions so far suggest that when (if) the locomotive separated from the other cars, that happend very close to the moment of the injuries. In turn that means the locomotive and the rest of the train were still close together and moving at about the same speed at the moment of the injuries. Thus when (if) the rest of the train then hit the locomotive, it would not have been a slamming impact. So the injuries would seem not to be from that impact.
 

being the cynic I am - I bet when all is done and over with they find that this person either tried to do get out of the car, stood up, or some other thing that contributed to his demise...


hopefully the latest update will stop people from blaming the victim in this terrible accident.
 
well I thought I'd been pretty even handed in this - blaming Disney aka eisner as well as leaving the door open to "the victim" being to blame...

I lived and worked at 1WTC - Now that I would not blame on the "victims" out of hand... it was pretty blatantly obvious.

But I have also been on the recieving end of someone elses "victimhood"... repeatedly seen people bankrupt or attack others for things that either never happened, were dome at someone elses hands, were acts of god, or were their own faults.... I am not big on anyone claiming victimhood status

Like I said, when all the facts are in... then I will make a final judgement call.

I find it fascinating, however, someone on here seems to have got the scenario right...something "hitting or puncturing" and puncturing a vital organ... I find it kind of neat that people all brainstorming with all their diferent experiences and knowledge more or less being able to figure through this ...

I think it would be fairly safe to say it would be difficult for the lap bar to crack your rib cage... maybe not... but someone's suggestion that they were hit by some type of flying debris or the front train coming down on them seems right - under that scenario... disney is toast...

by the way - "victims" are frequently party to their own their victimhood
 
Originally posted by nataliesdaddy
by the way - "victims" are frequently party to their own their victimhood [/B]

And frequently they're not. It would be incredibly silly and mean-spirited to start blaming this young man for what happened to him when no one even really knows what happened on the ride. I'm sure no one here really has meant to do that. But I don't think we should let our love for Disney interfere with our sympathy for this young man and his family, who have suffered a terrible tragedy at a place where we would hope such a thing could never happen.
 
A lot of this has been rehashed all over the net.
As one other perosn put it, BTMRR was DL newest roller coaster and it was 25 years old.
A few months back DL Space Mountain closed due to severe track damage found during routine inspection.
Then a few months later this fatal accident happened at BTMRR. :(
The LA Times quoted a former maintenance manager as repeatedly warning upper CA management that maintenance reductions/policies were putting guest's lives in danger.
I read that he predicted a guest would die in a year's time. 8 months later......
This CM even went so far as to send a certified letter to an administrator when his other attempts failed.
I have also read that the lap bars were in the down position on the riders. The man died from an impact to the chest.
I guess if your heart stops from a severe direct blow you could spin that to read a heart attack. Don't we all die because our heart stops?
 
First, crystalb, thanks for posting the link from mouseplanet. I clicked on this thread to see if there was any more info and the mouseplanet link was excellent.

Second, fyi, Sergei Gringkov (deceased pairs ice skater) died because of a previously undetected congenital heart condition. (This has nothing to do with BTMRR, but a previous poster mentioned him.)

--miffy--
 
First off im going to apologize if im reposting as i didnt have time to read all the posts on here. I read in some newspaper that the 22 year old man died because a broken rib hit some internal organs and then he bleed to death because they couldnt get to him soon enough. Although they think he wouldnt have made it anyway. But thats apparently why he died on the scene

I rode this ride the first time this past summer and i instantly fell in love with it and i will continue to fall in love with it everytime i ride it. I'm not scared at all about it (and im a person who was scared to get on airplane before 9/11). like a lot have people said in the past, Disney has a great history when it comes to "accidents" I saw one website (sorry i dont have the link) that said the majority of the "accidents" were from people doing things. Such as standing up on the Matterhorn, jumping out of the boat on Splash Mountain, and getting off of the TTA and being run over by the oncoming cars. There were others but i am drawing a blank.

Im deeply saddened about this accident and hope that it was an accident that can be fixed and not someone basically committing suicide.

ok im done with my speech haha sry
 
This is very sad, and I don't think anyone should blame the victim, especially since none of us know the full story, and we probably never will. I have been on BTMR, at one of the fastest points in the ride, when it came to a complete and utter stop. Apparently, construction was going on over at Tom Sawyer's Island, and a worker threw some debris, breaking a laser beam that goes all around the Mountain as a safety feature. We were told, as we were walking off the ride, that there are certain parts of the Mountain that can be walked right on to. I say this, because it was one heck of a jar to us, but no one was injured.
Now, no one here knows if he had a congenital heart problem, most people who do don't know either. Disney has an excellent safety record, I cannot imagine anyone thinking they have gotten lax, tho I have never been to Disneyland, so maybe it is run differently, but I doubt it. Life has its risks, sometimes terrible things happen through no fault of our own.
 
He bled to death! God rest the poor guy's soul. And his friend who was sitting next to him and the people sitting behind him do know the whole story. It will either come out in the trial, or elsewhere when Disney settles out of court. If Disney put out the story of the man dying from cardiac arrest, they were just trying to paint a picture where they were not to blame. When someone bleeds to death, his heart stops, i.e. cardiac arrest.
 














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