Has anyone heard anything about...

annakris1973

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...the possibility of an animated version of POTC? I have noticed lots of "animated" versions of the franchise popping up everywhere....party supplies, kids bedding, and today in Target...action figures of the animated versions of the characters. Knowing the way Disney loves to get every dollar out of something they can, it would seem that an animated series could be the next possibility. I for one would love to see one, but I would prefer one based on the Young Jack Sparrow books instead of the movies. Anyone have any info?
 
There aren't any plans for an animated Pirates that I know of. I think they are just trying to aim those things to children, and cartoons usually get associated with children.
 
I had heard something about it, oh maybe a year ago, but nothing since.
 
I had heard something about it, oh maybe a year ago, but nothing since.

That was before they put out two really bad movies and killed off the genre again. There were tons of big plans ...now not so much. Heck Disney is still trying to break even on the last film.
 

Break Even???????

At Worlds End was the second highest global opening ever in history!!! Both Dead Mans Chest and At Worlds End made more money than curse of the black pearl!
 
Break Even???????

At Worlds End was the second highest global opening ever in history!!! Both Dead Mans Chest and At Worlds End made more money than curse of the black pearl!

...and?

At Worlds End had a reported production and marketing cost of over 500 Million dollars. It has a world wide take of right about 1 billion. Just knowing the fact that half of that money goes to the movie theaters showing the film puts it at breaking even. Thanks to some of the Hollywood types that post around here we know those are not the only hands in the pot. Jerry, Capatin Ron and the gang all more than likley have backend deals cutting into that money as well. In fact its been said for most big budget movies like this they must make back about 3x their reported cost before profit starts showing up.
 
...and?

At Worlds End had a reported production and marketing cost of over 500 Million dollars. It has a world wide take of right about 1 billion. Just knowing the fact that half of that money goes to the movie theaters showing the film puts it at breaking even. Thanks to some of the Hollywood types that post around here we know those are not the only hands in the pot. Jerry, Capatin Ron and the gang all more than likley have backend deals cutting into that money as well. In fact its been said for most big budget movies like this they must make back about 3x their reported cost before profit starts showing up.


It didn't cost $500m. Where the heck did you get that number? Any number I've ever seen pegged the top end at $300m.

It made $1b in theaters. That doesn't even begin to touch DVD sales.
 
It didn't cost $500m. Where the heck did you get that number? Any number I've ever seen pegged the top end at $300m.

It made $1b in theaters. That doesn't even begin to touch DVD sales.

Well since I must type it again ...

300 million was production cost. Which on a movie of that size is always undereported. To market that hunk of junk and distribute it puts it over the 500 million mark easy.

Psst...DVD sales are not all profit either. Why do you think that Disney is not running back to uncle Jerry with a big fat check for another movie?
 
Well since I must type it again ...

300 million was production cost. Which on a movie of that size is always undereported. To market that hunk of junk and distribute it puts it over the 500 million mark easy.

Psst...DVD sales are not all profit either. Why do you think that Disney is not running back to uncle Jerry with a big fat check for another movie?

No, thats the cost of the movie. Check out the annual reports for the costs of the previous movies (which is the total) then check out boxofficemojo and compare. Guess what, they are the same.

They DID ask for another one. They wanted to wait a few years before producing it. 2011 or so and you'll have another. Just because they didn't go 'oh yeah, we are making #4' the day after AWE was released doesn't mean they aren't doing it. Look at TS3, how many years gap is that going to be?

Oh, and DVDs are about 75% profit (of the sale to the studio.) Thats pretty much as big a profit margin as you are going to get.

The 2nd and 3rd film are two of the top 5 highest grossing films of all time. Even when inflation adjusted, they are in the top 20.
But, according to you, they are 'trying to break even' and 'killed the genre'.

Yeah, thats exactly right. /sarcasm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
 
but I would prefer one based on the Young Jack Sparrow books instead of the movies. Anyone have any info?
Back before At World's End was released, there was some talk about how to 'extend the franchise' with either a another triology or even a television series about Young Jack Sparrow. Johnny Depp wasn't interested in doing any more movies, and Disney wanted to market the franchise "younger" because that's where the merchadise sales are. However a couple things happened which have essentially killed any future pirates project.

First, despite what some people think they understand from boxofficemojo, AWE was a financial failure for Disney. Too much to produce and market, way too little box office for the price. Not only does about 40%-45% of the box office stay at the theater, but the movies were all produced by Jerry Bruckheimer. His take has never been published, but it's guessed to be north of 20%. And then there's the cut for the director, the cut for Johnny Depp, the cut for Industrial Lights and Magic...and Disney actually gets to keep a few cents on the dollar. It doesn't matter if the movie is the highest grossing movie of all time if you spend more than it takes in.

Further more, the third movie took in less than the second - an exceptionally bad sign for the public's interest in the franshicse. That was further reinforced by very poor merchandise sales (hell, even Tokyo Disneyland has "Special Sales" on all their Pirates junk). Even the Pirate changes to the parks were meet with tepid public response (notice how WDW never got the pirate makeover of Tom Sawyer's Island and even Disneyland's Phase 2 has been quietly shoved off the schedule). For a studio that's already struggling it makes little sense to create spin-offs of a franchise the public has lost interest in.

And lastly, furture projects really aren't in Disney's control. The movie properties are really controlled by Bruckheimer Productions. Any new movies or series would require their involvement...and Jerry has a lot of better projects to worry about that don't involve paying Johnny Depp $25 million. Transformations was a hell of a lot more profitable for Mr. Bruckheimer; he has no incentive for anymore Pirates flicks. They've made him a lot of money and now he can move on to something better. Besides, the production of AWE was an utter disaster for all involved and probably added at least $75 million to the production cost. Neither Bruckheimer nor Disney are going to be anxious to jump right back into that mess again.

Sorry, but the reality of Hollywood Accounting are sometimes hard to take. In the end, Hollywood is built to make individuals rich - not companies. Disney took a bath with the last Pirate flick and even Iger has enough brain wattage to get the point. It's time to move on to lower cost "franchises" (like Underdog) and hope that something works.

If it's any consolation, Disney is trying the route again with The Jungle Cruise.
 
No, thats the cost of the movie. Check out the annual reports for the costs of the previous movies (which is the total) then check out boxofficemojo and compare. Guess what, they are the same.
Errr...No.

They DID ask for another one. They wanted to wait a few years before producing it. 2011 or so and you'll have another.

errr...No.

Oh, and DVDs are about 75% profit (of the sale to the studio.) Thats pretty much as big a profit margin as you are going to get.

Errrrr...No.

The 2nd and 3rd film are two of the top 5 highest grossing films of all time. Even when inflation adjusted, they are in the top 20.
But, according to you, they are 'trying to break even' and 'killed the genre'.

No...Killed it again....I must have missed the rush from all the other studios and Disney to get more Pirate things on air and at the movies.

Read AV's post really slowly he knows what he is talking about. Yes Disney will make money on that hunk of junk(At Worlds End) but it won't even come close to the money they made on Wild Hogs and Wild Hogs 2 (The search for more money).
 
Disney took a bath with the last Pirate flick

I was with you until you said this. Thats an overstatement. Was it profitable enough to merit further investment? No. They didn't take a bath though

I would think a sunday morning cartoon would make some sense
 
They didn't take a bath though...
Yet they laid off a quarter of their staff, cut their release schedule by 40%, cancelled a string of big budget movies and are now relying on flicks like Underdog and Wild Hog and have now outsourced all their tentpole franchises to Walden Media, Bruckhiemer and others?

Exactly which one of those areas points to "we did okay spending half a billion dollars on a pirate movie no one liked"?
 


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