Harry Potter Book 7 *SPOILERS*

Finally finished the book 2 days ago, but was out of town and wasn't able to post my thoughts/interpretations until now!



I am totally in the Snape fan group with WDW Poly Princess, wvrevy, fabshelly, etc.


What an amazing ride!! The Snape storyline was a true Greek tragedy. He made me cry more than any other character in the book. In stark contrast to James Potter, an indulged, spoiled bully, Severus was neglected and unloved as a child, loses his one true and enduring love to his hated rival, and has to endure a lifetime of hatred and suspicion. Even in the end, Voldemort couldn't just kill him with a quick Avada Kadavra - he died painfully and slowly after being bitten by Nagini. What a horrible, tortured life . . .

I've always known that there was more to Snape. He, more than any other character in the series, was complex and multifaceted - anyone else was all good, or all bad. Before the last book, it was difficult to tell with Snape, and I'm sure that's what JK Rowling wanted.

I had an inkling that he was in love with Lily, and that he and Dumbledore had planned Dumbledore's death, but reading all those memories in the pensive, knowing that Snape wanted Harry to know the truth, at last, after he was gone, was just heartbreaking.

The story has always been about love . . . but in a way, it was more about Snape's great love for Lily, that existed long before Harry was born, that was the entire reason for the story. If Snape hadn't loved Lily so completely, Harry would never have been able to defeat Voldemort in the end.

The most heart-wrenching scene was Snape in Sirius' bedroom, tears pouring down his face, taking Lily's letter with her "lots of love" signature and her picture. And I do agree that Snape's last words, "Look . . . at . . . me" were so that he could look into Lily's eyes, one last time, as he died. It was very appropriate, then, that Harry and Ginny's second son, the only one of their children to have inherited Lily's green eyes, was named Albus Severus. And when Harry explained that he was named after a Hogwarts headmaster, who was not only a Slytherin, but "probably the bravest man I've ever met", I lost it again.

Now as for that one word reply, "Always" - bottom of page 687, US edition. I didn't catch it at first, but my DH says that when you read Dumbledore's lines before it, Snape's reply indicates that he has 'always' cared for Harry. So not only did he love Lily, but he really also loved Harry - but was never able to show it.

I am so glad Alan Rickman plays Snape in the movies. He is such a great actor, and I can't wait to see him bring the emotion of those scenes to life.

I thought this initially, but when you look at it closely, the italicised word is very important:

'But this is touching, Severus,' said Dumbledore seriously, 'Have you grown to care for the boy, after all?'
'For him?' shouted Snape. 'Expecto patronum!'
And then we get the doe. With Snape emphasising the 'him', it comes out more like 'For him? You seriously think this is about the boy? It's about Lily, fool!' I honestly don't think Snape cared for Harry at all. He was a living reminder of James, whom he despised. I think Snape had a lot of guilt, cause he was the one who relayed the prophecy to Voldemort. But I don't think he loved Harry. Just Lily, desperately.
 
I thought this initially, but when you look at it closely, the italicised word is very important:

'But this is touching, Severus,' said Dumbledore seriously, 'Have you grown to care for the boy, after all?'
'For him?' shouted Snape. 'Expecto patronum!'
And then we get the doe. With Snape emphasising the 'him', it comes out more like 'For him? You seriously think this is about the boy? It's about Lily, fool!' I honestly don't think Snape cared for Harry at all. He was a living reminder of James, whom he despised. I think Snape had a lot of guilt, cause he was the one who relayed the prophecy to Voldemort. But I don't think he loved Harry. Just Lily, desperately.

Yes I agree, this was one of the best parts of the book, the whole snape memories and its the only part i went back to reread and i have to agree, i think it was all about lily for him. Altho i do think he cared in some way for harry, i think the "always" had to do with his love for lily. I think the emphasizes says it all.

I was reading in some interviews today (i thik they were old tho) anyya, that jkr had told alan rickman a little bit more about the plot and i can tortally see why, he has to act like how we end up knowing he truly is loyal. I dont know if that made sense but reading the books most people get the impression that he is bad always so if he always acts bad and then in the last movie we see this it makes no sense, but if theres a little more to the acting, then you can go back and be like "oh yeah!!!", so i think he knew ahead of time most of the future plot lines for his character, whch she hadnt told any other charactes/actor.
 
This is just funny. Hope it doesnt offend!

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/final_harry_potter_book

Final Harry Potter Book Blasted For Containing Spoilers
July 27, 2007 | Issue 43•30


NEW YORK—Harry Potter fans throughout the world were shocked, disappointed, and outraged to learn last week that J.K. Rowling's 750-page novel, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, blatantly answers every looming question in the 10-year-long saga, even going so far as to divulge what happens to key characters 20 years into the future.

"The whole experience is completely ruined for me," said 25-year-old fan Ethan Clay, adding that the book builds up suspense, and then, without warning, gives away vital, plot-altering information. "The least [Rowling] could have done was put a spoiler alert or something on the front cover."

:rotfl:
 
Is it worth buying?

I wish I could see an article on Daniel Radcliffe's reaction to the book. I kept thinking he and the other two primaries must be thrilled with such rich material to play in the final movie. Yes, I know it won't be as good as the book, but I will still go see it!

It's ok. You might want to flip through one to make sure you want it. There were some questions and answers that have already been discussed here (how Neville got the sword, the piece of Vold's soul). There wasn't much that was new information for me.

I keep thinking about how the actors reacted to the book too. I can just picture the guys who play George and Fred reacting to what happens to them.
 

I thought this initially, but when you look at it closely, the italicised word is very important:

'But this is touching, Severus,' said Dumbledore seriously, 'Have you grown to care for the boy, after all?'
'For him?' shouted Snape. 'Expecto patronum!'
And then we get the doe. With Snape emphasising the 'him', it comes out more like 'For him? You seriously think this is about the boy? It's about Lily, fool!' I honestly don't think Snape cared for Harry at all. He was a living reminder of James, whom he despised. I think Snape had a lot of guilt, cause he was the one who relayed the prophecy to Voldemort. But I don't think he loved Harry. Just Lily, desperately.

Didn't JK Rowing say during the Q/A session taped for the Today Show that had Snape not been in love with Lilly then he wouldn't have cared at all about Harry - that Snape is still a mean and bad person? I don't think that Snape was all that good – just that his character was another testament to one of the major themes she had going for the series: how powerful love is.

Also, has anyone else mentioned that had Harry not chosen to save Malfoy from the fire when they were trying to get the last horcux (sp?) then the outcome probably would have been totally different in the first face off with Voldemort in the forest? Harry chose to save Malfoy’s life when it would have been so easy to leave him there with their past history and the fact that Malfoy was serving Voldemort; Harry could have easily rationalized to himself that he was doing the right thing to let Malfoy die. But Harry chose to save Malfoy’s life and in doing so probably saved his own.

Again with the theme of love: Narcissa was more interested in getting back up to the castle to check on her son then serving Voldemort. Had Harry let Malfoy die and answered truthfully to Narcissa when she asked him about Draco – she would have told Voldemort the truth that Harry is alive. At that moment Harry may not have had an opportunity to defend himself and survive. Because of her lie he was able to wait until he was in a better position to once again face Voldemort.
 
Didn't JK Rowing say during the Q/A session taped for the Today Show that had Snape not been in love with Lilly then he wouldn't have cared at all about Harry - that Snape is still a mean and bad person? I don't think that Snape was all that good – just that his character was another testament to one of the major themes she had going for the series: how powerful love is.

Also, has anyone else mentioned that had Harry not chosen to save Malfoy from the fire when they were trying to get the last horcux (sp?) then the outcome probably would have been totally different in the first face off with Voldemort in the forest? Harry chose to save Malfoy’s life when it would have been so easy to leave him there with their past history and the fact that Malfoy was serving Voldemort; Harry could have easily rationalized to himself that he was doing the right thing to let Malfoy die. But Harry chose to save Malfoy’s life and in doing so probably saved his own.

Again with the theme of love: Narcissa was more interested in getting back up to the castle to check on her son then serving Voldemort. Had Harry let Malfoy die and answered truthfully to Narcissa when she asked him about Draco – she would have told Voldemort the truth that Harry is alive. At that moment Harry may not have had an opportunity to defend himself and survive. Because of her lie he was able to wait until he was in a better position to once again face Voldemort.

I totally agree with you, especially about Narcissa and Snape.
 
Is it worth buying?

I wish I could see an article on Daniel Radcliffe's reaction to the book. I kept thinking he and the other two primaries must be thrilled with such rich material to play in the final movie. Yes, I know it won't be as good as the book, but I will still go see it!


Ask and you shall recieve!


Daniel Radcliffe Talks Deathly Hallows

Daniel Radcliffe Talks 'Deathly Hallows'
The on-screen Harry Potter reveals his thoughts about J.K. Rowling's final book, including what shocked him, what theories he saw confirmed, and what he did when he finished it


He ripped through Deathly Hallows like a kid gorging on Halloween candy, anxious to get to the bottom of the pile and sort out the best goodies. So now that Daniel Radcliffe, who's been playing Harry Potter since he was 11, finally knows his character's fate, what's he thinking? At the tail end of a chat about his upcoming film December Boys, an Australian-made drama about orphans that was shot in 2005 and opens in mid-September (and which you'll see more about on EW.com in the weeks ahead), Radcliffe weighed in on what surprised him, what didn't, and what he was listening to during those fateful final chapters.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: There was a picture that circulated this week, of you in a cap, holding a copy of Deathly Hallows...
DANIEL RADCLIFFE: Oh, yes. I think it was probably at Lord's Cricket Ground [in St. John's Wood, London]. Which was a great day. That wasn't actually my copy. A guy had asked me to sign it, and of course, somebody took a photo. It looked like I was about to start reading. So that became, The moment when Harry Potter started reading.

When did you in fact get to start reading it?
I actually wrote, in the front of my book, the exact time of me starting to read it. I think it was 9:30 at night on the 22nd of July, which was the day before my [18th] birthday. I read two chapters on that day, which wasn't very much at all, of course. About page 30, I got to. Then I actually didn't get to read [any of] it again for another couple of days. I started again on the 24th and 25th, and over those two days or so, I seemed to completely demolish it. I read 350 pages in one day at one point.

What surprised or shocked you the most?
Dobby's death. He's always been a comic character, in some ways. And that's what makes it so powerful, I suppose. I'm sure Jo's had that planned for a very long time. That was one of the bits that made me surprised. One of my other theories had been that Snape would end up being a sort of tragic hero, and so I was pleased to see that one in fact come through. That [idea] was given to me by a guy interviewing me, a while ago. He said he thought that would be the case. And I thought, Oh, that's very good.

You finish Half-Blood Prince feeling Dumbledore was a fool to trust Snape. But I finished Deathly Hallows feeling maybe Snape was not well served by trusting Dumbledore, and that Dumbledore used him pretty ruthlessly. There are so many ways in which Rowling changes our picture of Dumbledore by the end of Deathly Hallows. He's got even more flaws than you'd expect.
I have to say it matched some of my predictions [about Dumbledore]. I'd sort of thought of a couple of those things. I'd imagined we would see a darker side to Dumbledore. But I didn't know in what way. I was incredibly moved by it, the whole thing.

Any other surprising bits of closure for you?
Another thing has confused me for so long. It was in the fourth film script, and it was in the book as well, of course. When we rehearsed the scene, it was the scene in which Harry had come back from the maze, and his blood has gone into Voldemort and so on. I could never understand why there was a line in the book that said, Dumbledore looked at the scar on Harry's arm with — I think the phrase is something like, He looked at it with something close to triumph in his eyes. I've never understood that. I could never get it. No one could. No one knew. And of course, it turns out it's because Dumbledore realized that as well as Voldemort being inside Harry, Harry's blood was now inside Voldemort. Therefore his mother Lily's blood was also inside Voldemort, which obviously plays a huge part in [Deathly Hallows]. That explained a lot to me.


Were you glad to find out that Harry, Ron, and Hermione all survive?
I was, actually. Weirdly enough, I think that's the bravest thing she could've done. I was convinced for about two years that Harry would die.

Why?
I just felt it was the only way she could end it. But then, within the last six months, it suddenly occurred to me that that was far too obvious. She had to find a cleverer way of doing it. And indeed she did. With Ron and Hermione, I really liked the epilogue. I think a few people might've been not so keen on that. But I actually really, really liked it.

In a way, Harry actually does die, because he believes he's going to die. There's a profoundly, existentially lonely passage in the chapter when he prepares to let himself be killed.
In a way, the time between Harry learning he has to die and actually dying —

Or believing he's dying...
That time wasn't short enough to be painless. But it wasn't long enough for him to find complete acceptance within it either. He struggles to find acceptance. Ultimately, he finds a sort of acceptance. But he's not necessarily reconciled with the idea of it. He knows he has to do it, but he's still scared. I just can't wait to be able to film it. I think Jo has given me, once again, an amazing opportunity to step up. So hopefully I'll be able to.

What did you do when you finished reading Deathly Hallows?
I was in a car at the time. I had my iPod in, and I was listening to Sigur Rós. I don't know if you know them. They're a band who do sort of instrumental music, but it's just amazing. I think they're from Scandinavia somewhere. They've got an album called Takk...I was listening to, and it's very, very appropriate [for the end of Deathly Hallows]. I was listening to it and I remember I was sort of turned away from everybody else in the car, just so I could be in my own little world when I read it. What did I do when I finished? I think I just put the book down and carried on listening to the music. Just looked out of the car window, 'cause I couldn't think of what else to do. I'm still struggling to really take it in. It doesn't leave you in a hurry.
 
wow!! thank you so much carrie for that interview!!! i also was wondering what Daniel felt about the book.

i still wonder though, hadn't JKR said something to him while filming that there was a certain object that he should hang on to because he's going to need it? i wonder what that was...
 
I haven't been able to find this magazine in the stores. I've looked at Walmart, Waldenbooks and another bookstore in my area. Does anyone know where I can buy this?
 
I haven't been able to find this magazine in the stores. I've looked at Walmart, Waldenbooks and another bookstore in my area. Does anyone know where I can buy this?

I found the EW magazine at the grocery store, but it doesn't have the article about Daniel Radcliffe. I'd bet it would be a bit hard to find, as plenty of people who don't usually buy it will for the Harry Potter stuff.
 
wow!! thank you so much carrie for that interview!!! i also was wondering what Daniel felt about the book.

i still wonder though, hadn't JKR said something to him while filming that there was a certain object that he should hang on to because he's going to need it? i wonder what that was...

It's the sword. He used it in Chamber of Secrets and now both him and Neville will need it in the last movie.
 
It's the sword. He used it in Chamber of Secrets and now both him and Neville will need it in the last movie.

How did Neville get the sword? I somehow missed that. Did Griphook come back?
 
How did Neville get the sword? I somehow missed that. Did Griphook come back?

Neville "pulled" it out of the sorting hat the same way Harry had way back in Chamber of Secrets. Only a true Gryffindor can get the sword from the hat. Neville used it to kill Nagini - the last Horcrux.
 
That was cool to read Daniel Radcliffe's reaction to the book!! I'd like to know Emma Watson and Rupert Grint's reactions now!
 
I thought this initially, but when you look at it closely, the italicised word is very important:

'But this is touching, Severus,' said Dumbledore seriously, 'Have you grown to care for the boy, after all?'
'For him?' shouted Snape. 'Expecto patronum!'
And then we get the doe. With Snape emphasising the 'him', it comes out more like 'For him? You seriously think this is about the boy? It's about Lily, fool!' I honestly don't think Snape cared for Harry at all. He was a living reminder of James, whom he despised. I think Snape had a lot of guilt, cause he was the one who relayed the prophecy to Voldemort. But I don't think he loved Harry. Just Lily, desperately.

In the interview JKR was asked by one of the kids if Snape would've cared about Harry if he didn't love Lily, and JKR said absolutely not, he only acted out of his love for Lily. Otherwise he wouldn't have ever cared about Harry or what happened to him....
 
Snape's love for Lily would have undoubtedly had an affect upon his feelings for Harry. Clearly, Snape loathed James and Snape saw in Harry many of those same qualities that he despised in James. However, as has been said so many times throughout the books, Harry had Lily's eyes. Snape could not have overlooked this. Snape genuinely cared for Harry if for no other reason than Harry was a part of Lily.
 
About the "Always" thing... after Dumbledore asked if he has grown to care for the boy, Snape says, "For him?" and then shows Dumbledore his patronum, which is a silver doe. Do we know what Lily's patronum was? James' was a stag. Could hers have been a doe? We know patronums can be changed because Tonks' patronum changed. Could he have changed his patronum to Lily's and he was letting Dumbledore know he was totally doing everything out of love for Lily by showing him that? I'm not really a Harry Potter scholar, but I thought maybe the doe went with the stag. What do you think?
 




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