Happy Darwin Day

[ford family]

With all due respect, EVERYTHING in your post, right down to the star theory is just that, THEORY!! And i see you used Google also to find that star answer, i read the exact same passage, word for word.

You have evolved further than I have, I only use Alta Vista, and all of my post came from memory anyway!

As for the rest, well, with all due respect our impasse seems to be the collision of an enquiring mind with a closed one.

ford family

 

[SSAVL]

Yikes, you say theory like it's a bad word, google it, it ain't what you think it is.

Uncle, you are correct, it isnt a bad word, but it does not mean its 100% fact so that leaves it open to debate, wouldnt you agree?

 

[breezy1077]

Oh dear, Breezy! Why are we Godless folk the enemy?

ford family

You should read what I posted again - I never said you were. The enemy is Satan btw.

I use the term enemy becuase I don't like to empower it by calling it by name.

 

[SSAVL]

You have evolved further than I have, I only use Alta Vista, and all of my post came from memory anyway!

As for the rest, well, with all due respect our impasse seems to be the collision of an enquiring mind with a closed one.

ford family

Understood, then i will take my INQUIRING (that starts with an i doesnt it) mind and not bother you anymore in this thread. You seem to be out of ammo, so its best left alone!!!

 

[Uncle Remus]

Very interesting... I also find the whole love affair with Lincoln questionable. The war he waged was not about slavery; it was about the southern states suceeding from the union-his union. Slavery was just a end result; it was never part of his agenda.

Where did you get your history degree(s)???????

Warning - cheap shot coming ------------

The same place as their spelling degree! I wonder if they meant seceded or succeeded.

I got mine from the University of Michigan and I four pointed my major. Where did you get yours?

Much more, but I'm too lazy to type tonight.

I love how this thread has two strains. Funny.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Uncle, you are correct, it isnt a bad word, but it does not mean its 100% fact so that leaves it open to debate, wouldnt you agree?

Theory leaves it open to scientific inquiry and experimetation, but some folks like to debate it.

 

[ford family]

Understood, then i will take my INQUIRING (that starts with an i doesnt it) mind and not bother you anymore in this thread. You seem to be out of ammo, so its best left alone!!!

Did somebody say something about two peoples separated by a common language?

ford family

 

[MeghansMommy]

Here's a link on causes of the Civil War. There are several links at the bottom of the page with more information. I have not thoroughly read this website so take it for what it's worth.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/451113/causes_of_secession_why_the_south_left.html?cat=37

Slavery was a part of the Civil War, but it was not at all the only catalyst for why the Civil War began.

 

[DisneyWalker44]

I didn't say that slavery had nothing to do with it. All I said is that there are other motivations involved other than slavery.

Your comment was that slavery wasn't the main issue. I honestly can't image anyone reading the Southerners in their own words thinking that slavery wasn't their main issue.

Had you just said it wasn't the only issue, we'd have agreed.

 

[DisneyWalker44]

You could be absolutely correct. But I love how God takes the work of the enemy and twist and bends it to his will. Time will tell I guess.

Evolution isn't the enemy of God at all.

 

[DisneyWalker44]

Here's a link on causes of the Civil War. There are several links at the bottom of the page with more information. I have not thoroughly read this website so take it for what it's worth.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/451113/causes_of_secession_why_the_south_left.html?cat=37

Again, I would encourage people listen to the Southerns themselves tell us why they rebelled, rather than what folks today claim are the reasons.

http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html#Texas

 

[Reflection]

I am certain Charles Darwin would note with some amusement the predictable "devolution" of a thread "observing" his birth date.

G_d is amused also. He made Charles Darwin possible after all.....

Mr. and Mrs. Darwin, Charles' parents, made that possible after all.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

Your comment was that slavery wasn't the main issue. I honestly can't image anyone reading the Southerners in their own words thinking that slavery wasn't their main issue...

Let me draw an analogy. Let's say that the South had lots of gold. The Union decides that it isn't right for the South to horde all of this gold, even though it is their Constitutional right (It is, after all, their gold. They paid for it.) So, even though the Union agrees that the South has a right to their gold, they pass laws that say that no other state can "horde" gold, and that any person from the South, when traveling with his gold, can have that gold taken from him by force. That same Union also encourage the other states to help themselves to the gold - encouraged them to sneak in and steal it right from the Southerners, homes.

That is what this amounted to for the South. From the South Carolina decision:

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been destructive of them by the action of the nonslaveholding States. Those States have assumed the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of Slavery; they have permitted the open establishment among them of societies whose avowed object is to disturb the peace of eloin the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain have been incited by emissaries, books, and pictures to servile insurrection. For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of all the United States whose opinions and purposes are hostile to Slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that �Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,� and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. This sectional combination for the subversion of the Constitution has been aided, in some of the States, by elevating to citizenship persons who, by the supreme law if the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its peace and safety. On the 4th of March next this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the Judicial Tribunal shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against Slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States. The guarantees of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The Slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.

So, as some say, it was about slavery, but it wasn't about slavery. If you do not understand the Southern culture, you cannot understand how they could think of their slaves as property, but they did. And the fact that they did was the only important thing in this discussion because slavery was Constitutional at the time, and that had been upheld by the Supreme Court. So the decision by the federal government to undermine the states financially (as the South saw it), drove them to secede in much the same way that taxation without representation drove America to break away from England.

Staes rights were more important back then. The federal government really had no power (as intended). And the states had the right to secede.

So who was right? The Southern states, for fighting for their right to govern themselves, or the federal government, for starting a war which cost countless lives in the name of preserving the Union?

You see, the Union never set out to free the slaves in Southern states. They were going to be allowed to keep their slaves - until the southern states seceded. Only then did it become a war chant.

So the Union did not start the Civil war over slavery. They started it to preserve the Union, even at the expense of the Union as a Constitutionally based government. And the South did not secede over slavery, they seceded over the right to self-determination.

A modern analogy would be the nations that decided to split away from the USSR. We actually helped many of them split away. But why did they split away? Most were destitute with almost no natural resources. Most are still destitute. So why did they split away? Simple - they simply wanted the right to self-determination.

The thought is so American that I just cannot understand how so many Americans don't get it...

 

[Nomi]

Oh no, please feel free to post a few, id like to see some. I tend to get carried away with this topic myself, but i do enjoy the debate. Im sure i will have already seen by now what you may post, and i have quite interesting answers to challenge what some deem to be scientific empirical evidence. No bad feelings, all in the spirit of fun debate.

Alrighty then! (I hope this whole post fits!)

I'm sorry that I couldn't reply sooner (sleep/looking for a job/a backup of commissions to finish/ect), I hope you didn't think I was holding out on you!

And yes, all in the spirit of fun debate!

First off, one has to understand what evolution, and the theory of evolution, is and what it isn't. And a few definitions of things I commonly see misused or misunderstood.

Scienticic Theory:
A testable model that is based of observation and experimentation, that has been tested and confirmed and has the support of the facts (the evidence). In short, a scientific theory is as close to 'proven' as anything can get in science (only math deals with proof).
The word theory as it is used most commonly is closer to a hypothesis (and even then it may not consitute as a hypothesis even).
A scientific theory has more in common with a scientific law, the difference being the nature of the phenomenon they describe, and not their validity.

The Theory of Evolution: The heritable changes in a population of organisms over generations. The deveopment of all species from a single ancestor.

Evolution is NOT the same as abiogenesis (where and how did life start).
Evolution has NOTHING to do with the big bang.

Ok, on to the evidence!

There is quite a lot of evidence for evolution, everthing from vestigal organs and bone structures (which I beleive has been mentioned) to the evidence in the fossil record, embryology (all embryos look the same until they develop the characteristics of their species), similarities in the genetic code, to (and this is my favorite) OBSERVED INSTANCES OF EVOLUTION AND SPECIATION.

And now the links. And boy, are there a lot of them! Hold on to your hats everyone! (I cannot take the credit for this collection of links, as it is a colaberative effort from another site I frequent.)
No, they are not all form talk origins ((Though it is a great site, with good resources).

TalkOrigins FAQs
29+ Cases for Macroevolution http://www.toarchive.org/faqs/comdesc/
An Account of a Debate with a Creationist http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/debate-rob-day.html
All About Archaeopteryx http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html
Ancient Molecules and Modern Myths http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/osteocalcin.html
Archaeopteryx: Answering the Challenge of the Fossil Record http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/challenge.html
Are Mutations Harmful? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mutations.html
Attributing False Attributes to Thermodynamics http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/creationism.html
Bombardier Beetles and the Argument of Design http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html
The "Burdick Print" http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/wilker5.html
Creationism and the Platypus http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/platypus.html
Creationist Arguments: Java Man http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_java.html
Creationist Arguments: The Monkey Quote http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/monkeyquote.html
Creationist Arguments: Neandertals http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_neands.html
Creationist Arguments: Peking Man http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_peking.html
A Creationist Exposed http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/gish-exposed.html
Creationist Whoppers http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icr-whoppers.html
Creationists and the Pithecanthropines http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/brace.html
Darwin's Black Box: Irreducible Complexity or Irrepoducible Irreducibility? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/review.html
Digit Numbering and Limb Development http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/bird_and_frog_development.html
Dino Blood Redux http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/flesh.html
Dinosaur Footprints in Coal http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/coalprints.html
Dinosaur Valley State Park http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/dvsp.html
Do Human Tracks Occur in the Kayenta of Arizona? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/arizon.html
Entropy, Disorder and Life http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/entropy.html
Evidence for Evolution http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-research.html
The Evolution of Improved Fitness http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/fitness/
The Evolution of the Woodpecker's Tongue http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/woodpecker/woodpecker.html
Five Major Misconceptions About Evolution http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html
Fossil Hominids: The Evidence for Evolution http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/
Fossil Hominids: Lucy http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/lucy.html
Genetic Algorithms and Evolutionary Computation http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/genalg/genalg.html
Hyracotherium and Hyrax http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/horses/eohippus_hyrax.html
Images of Neandertals http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/savage.html
Jury-Rigged Design http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/jury-rigged.html
Lucy's Knee Joint http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/knee-joint.html
Observed Instances of Speciation http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
On the Heels of Dinosaurs http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/onheel.html
The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/
An Overview of Dinosaur Tracking http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/ovrdino.html
Peking Man and **** erectus http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/sinanth.html
Plagiarized Errors and Molecular Genetics http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/
Publish or Perish: Some Published Works on Biochemical Evolution http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/publish.html
A Response to Ashby Camp's "Critique" http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/camp.html
Response to Casey Luskin http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wells/luskin.html
A Response to Wayne Jackson http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/wjackson.html
Sauropods, Elephants, Weightlifters http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/sauropods.html
Sea-Monster or Shark? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/plesios.html
Scientific Creationism and Error http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/cre-error.html
Scientists challenge claim for 60,000-year-old Mungo DNA http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/mungonhm.html
The Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution and Probability http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/probability.html
Suspicious Creationist Credentials http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html
A Tale of Two Teeth http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/tooth.html
The Taylor Site "Man Tracks" http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/tsite.html
Ted Holden's Frequent Questions Answered http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ted-qfa-reply.html
The Texas Dinosaur/"Man Track" Controversy http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html
Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html

TalkOrigins' Index to Creationist Claims: Selected Claims
Acambaro dinosaur figurines http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH710_2.html
Behemoth as a dinosaur http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH711.html
Dating fossils/dating strata http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC310.html
Dinosaurs alive in the Congo http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB930_3.html
Dinosaurs in Ica stones http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH710_1.html
Dragons as dinosaurs http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH712.html
Evolution and eugenics http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA006.html
Evolution falsifiable http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA211.html
Evolution predictions http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA210.html
Evolution proof http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA202.html
Finger development http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB731.html
Fossil insect ancestors http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC220_1.html
Half a wing http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB921_2.html
Homology defined in terms of ancestry http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB810.html
Leviathan as a dinosaur http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH711_1.html
Lucy's knee not found with rest of skeleton http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC003.html
Malachite Man http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC111.html
Nebraska Man http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC002.html
Origin of the first cells http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB010_2.html
Origin of the universe http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CF/CF101.html
Oxygen for early Earth http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB035_1.html
Second Law of Thermodynamics http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CF/CF001.html
"Survival of the fittest" http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA500.html
Transitional birds http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC214.html
Transitional whales http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC216_1.html
Tyrannosaurus blood http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC371.html
Tyrannosaur tissues from bone http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC371_1.html

Newspaper articles
BBC article on oldest known insect fossil http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3478915.stm

Other Sites
Article on Dakota http://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/new-dinosaur-findings/
BBC article (3 May 2005) on fossil fish (roughly 450 mya) discovered in South Africa http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4498049.stm
National Geographic article (21 April 2008) on lizard evolution http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080421-lizard-evolution.html
National Geographic article on oldest live-birth fossil (28 May 2008) http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/05/080528-mother-fossil.html
The Coalition for Excellence in Science and Math about Evolution and Theory http://www.cesame-nm.org/index.php?name=Sections&req=viewarticle&artid=32&page=1
Wired report on dinosaur mummy (December 2007) http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/12/dino_mummy
TalkOrigins' Quote Mine Project http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/contents.html
New Scientist article (9 June 2008) on E. coli bacterium populations and the ability to metabolize citrate http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html
National Geographic article (26 March 2007) on a 95-mya marine lizard fossil http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070326-lizard-snakes.html
ExtantDodo and Hovindism #1: Definition of Evolution http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCGz9dMd1Y8&feature=PlayList&p=11FAF6EED99B0C46&index=1
ExtantDodo and Hovindism #2: The First Law of Thermodynamics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Pyw5Dz3Fw&feature=PlayList&p=11FAF6EED99B0C46&index=0
ExtantDodo and Hovindism #3: Conservation of Angular Momentum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Jn4Qn0Dj8&feature=PlayList&p=11FAF6EED99B0C46&index=3
Mutation, recombination, and incipient speciation of bacteria in the laboratory http://www.pnas.org/content/96/13/7348.full
Harvard page on biology http://www.mcb.harvard.edu/BioLinks/Evolution.html
Examples of Beneficial Mutation and Natural Selection http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoMutations.html
TalkReason article on irreducible complexity http://www.talkreason.org/articles/dunk.cfm
Article on eye evolution http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/eye.html
Some More of God's Greatest Mistakes http://www.freewebs.com/oolon/SMOGGM.htm
Youtube video debunking the watchmaker fallacy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAq9bmCeR0
New dinosaurs link southern landmasses in the Mid-Cretaceous http://www.projectexploration.org/PDF/rspb20042692.pdf
Deleterious mutations and the evolution of sexual reproduction http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v336/n6198/abs/336435a0.html
Population genetic aspects of deleterious cytoplasmic genomes and their effect on the evolution of sexual reproduction http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1511870
A test of the short-term advantage of sexual reproduction http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v331/n6158/abs/331714a0.html
The cheeta is depauperate in genetic variation http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/221/4609/459
Extrinsic factors significantly affect patterns of disease in free-ranging and captive cheetah populations http://www.jwildlifedis.org/cgi/content/abstract/41/3/542
Culex pipiens in London Underground tunnels http://www.nature.com/hdy/journal/v82/n1/full/6884120a.html
The evolution of morality http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=6df83b8fa11fbd1c17b42fc6814f17b4
Algorithm for computing parsimonious evolutionary scenarios for genome evolution, the last universal common ancestor and dominance of horizontal gene transfer in the evolution of prokaryotes http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/3/2/
Brain and cognitive evolution http://web.missouri.edu/~gearyd/GearyHuffman.pdf
Coevolution by Common Descent of Fungal Symbionts and Grass Hosts http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/citation/14/2/133
eBURST: Inferring Patterns of Evolutionary Descent among Clusters Related Bacterial Genotypes from Multilocus Sequence Type Dating http://jb.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/186/5/1518
Long-term intogression of crop genes into wild sunflower populations http://www.springerlink.com/content/llauvvpfhwukhg9l/
Genomic divergences between humans and other humanoids and the effective population size of the common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0002929707640968
Using the fossil record to estimate the last common ancestor of extant primates http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11961552
Chloroplast and nuclear gene sequences indicate late Pennsylvanian time for the last common ancestor of extant seed plants http://www.pnas.org/content/91/11/5163.abstract
Floral homoeotic genes were recruited from homologous MADS-box genes preexisting in the common ancestor of ferns and seed plants http://www.pnas.org/content/94/6/2415.abstract
Pygmy chimpanzee as a possible prototype for the common ancestor of humans, chimpanzees and gorillas http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v275/n5682/abs/275744a0.html
A common ancestor for oxygenic and anoxygenic photosynthetic systems A comparison based on the structural model of photosystem I http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...=1022551&md5=14aa514ca9f1e96cbfcbb0d4eb5a25b1
African populations and the evolution of human mitochondrial DNA http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/253/5027/1503
Mitochondrial evolution http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/283/5407/1476
Dynamics of mitochondrial DNA in animals: amplification and sequencing with conserved primers http://www.pnas.org/content/86/16/6196.abstract
Amino acid substitution of proteins coded for in mitochondrial DNA during mammalian evolution http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jjg/67/3/67_187/_article
Rapid evolution of animal mitochondrial DNA http://www.pnas.org/content/76/4/1967.abstract
Phylogenetic relationships within the genus Equus and the evolution of α and θ globin genes http://www.springerlink.com/content/ud96b9prhk3w3l9x/
Mitochondrial DNA evolution in the genus Equus http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/3/6/535
Taxonomy, transitional forms and the fossil record http://www.asa3.org/aSA/resources/Miller.html
Horses through the ages http://www.springerlink.com/content/n858257542536q36/
Deep haplotype divergence and long-range linkage disequilibrium at Xp21.1 provide evidence that humans descend from a structural ancestral population http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/abstract/170/4/1849
Single, rapid coastal settlement of Asia revealed by analysis of complete mitochondrial genomes http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/308/5724/1034
African origin of humans in East Asia: a tale of 12,000 Y chromosomes http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/292/5519/1151
Archaic languages in the history of modern humans http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/abstract/156/2/799
Human origins http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/245/4924/1343
Evolution: red algal genome affirms a common origin of all plastids http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0960982204004464
Rates of molecular evolution: phylogenetic issues and applications http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.ecolsys.27.1.279
Evolution of signal transduction in intracellular symbiosis http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TD1-473MP9V-9&_user=1022551&_rdoc=1
Host benefit and the evolution of specialization in symbiosis http://www.nature.com/hdy/journal/v81/n6/abs/6884550a.html
Symbiosis and pathogenesis: evolution of the microbe-host interaction http://www.springerlink.com/content/8tyc0pugamd9evx0/
Evolution of the coral-zooxanthenllae symbiosis during the Triassic: a geochemical approach http://mgg.rsmas.miami.edu/faculty/pswart/stanley and swart 1995.pdf
Developmental origin and evolution of bacteriocytes in the Aphid-Buchnera Symbiosis http://biology.plosjournals.org/per...&ct=1&SESSID=eb8ae1110635418e0c4673bd5e9b4e80
How symbiosis can guide evolution http://www.springerlink.com/content/c24k3x44764p4v32/
Evolution of mutualistic symbiosis: a differential equation model http://www.springerlink.com/content/12252u9121525v7m/
Metabolic symbiosis at the origin of eukaryotes http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...=1022551&md5=c73bec10f6792c522d6ef4a522b3bba4
The evolution of insect-fungus associations: from contact to stable symbiosis http://icb.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/32/4/593
The origin of synergistic symbiosis http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...=1022551&md5=3c7f17a672eab5b59ea81626c9fd48ad
The concept of reproductive effort and its relation to the evolution of life histories of lizards http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/282617
The evolutionary history of parthenogenetic cnemidophorus lemniscatus http://www.jstor.org/pss/2409554?cookieSet=1
Chromosome inheritance in parthenogenetic lizards and evolution of allopolyploidy in reptiles http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/70/2/95
Molecular dating phylogenetic relationships among Teiidae (Squamata) inferred by molecular and morphological data http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...=1022551&md5=ebdbc7095918a4e9c6fb5ec3733964e0
The ecology and evolutionary implications of competition and parthenogenesis in cnemidophorus http://www.aics-research.com/research/whiptail.pdf
Evolutionary history of woodpeckers and allies: placing key taxa in the phylogenetic tree http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...=1022551&md5=b9fe54333e87d1aa6abf1dc9aeb84aac
The evolution of food caching by birds and mammals http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.es.15.110184.001553
Morphological and molecular evolution of the order Piciformes with the emphasis on the woodpeckers of the world http://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/dissertations/AAI3047590/
Evolution of clutch size in cavity-extracting birds: the nest size limit hypothesis revisited http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/499373
Molecular phylogeny and evolution of the neurotrophins from monotremes and marsupials http://www.springerlink.com/content/7u78xj8kx5jt8vwr/
Evolution of the monotremes: phylogenetic relationships to marsupials and eutherians, and estimation of divergence dates based on α-lactalbumin amino acid sequences http://www.springerlink.com/content/j528128pt8546711/
The major histocompatibility complex in monotremes: an analysis of the evolution of Mhc class I genes across all three mammalian subclasses http://www.springerlink.com/content/7w2ug7mct60fee1a/
Resolution and evolution of the duckbilled platypus karyotype with an X1Y1X2Y2X3Y3X4Y4X5Y5 male sex chromosome constitution http://www.pnas.org/content/101/46/16257.abstract
Autosomal localization of the amelogenin gene in monotremes and marsupials: implications for mammalian sex chromosome evolution http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1427909
Sex chromosome homology and incomplete, tissue-specific X-inactivation suggest that monotremes represent and intermediary stage of mammalian sex chromosome evolution http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/79/2/115
What can monotremes tell us about brain evolution? http://journals.royalsociety.org/content/tv782xd72w6vulap/
Marsupials and eutherians reunited: genetic evidence for the Theria hypothesis of mammalian evolution http://www.springerlink.com/content/b4magrkhq559pfqj/
The platypus is in its place: nuclear genes and indels confirm the sister group relation of monotremes and therians http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/23/3/587
Standard metabolism of monotremes and the evolution of homeothermy http://www.publish.csiro.au/nid/90/paper/ZO9790511.htm
Mammalian genome evolution: new clues from comparisons of eutherians, marsupials and monotremes http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1675956
The LTR enhancer of ERV-9 human endogenous retrovirus is active in oocytes and progenitor cells in transgenic zebrafish and humans http://www.pnas.org/content/101/3/805.full?sid=63d56eb2-1b42-4e2c-
Species-specific endogenous retroviruses shape the transcriptional network of the human tumor suppressor protein p53 http://www.pnas.org/content/104/47/18613.full?sid=63d56eb2-1b42-
Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences http://www.pnas.org/content/96/18/10254.full?sid=63d56eb2-1b42-
Long-term reinfection of the human genome by endogenous retroviruses http://www.pnas.org/content/101/14/4894.full?sid=63d56eb2-1b42-4e2c-85df-bdbf76df6e23
Human placental syncytiotrophoblastic Mr 75,000 polypeptide defined by antibodies to a synthetic peptide based on a cloned human endogenous retroviral DNA sequence http://www.pnas.org/content/81/19/6197.full.pdf+html?sid=63d56eb2-1b42-4e2c-85df-bdbf76df6e23
Endogenous retroviruses regulate periimplantation placental growth and differentiation http://www.pnas.org/content/103/39/14390.full?sid=63d56eb2-1b42-4e2c-85df-bdbf76df6e23
Changes in viral protection function that accompany retroviral endogenization http://www.pnas.org/content/104/44/17506.full?sid=63d56eb2-1b42-4e2c-85df-bdbf76df6e23
The SPANX gene family of cancer/testis-specific antigens: Rapid evolution and amplification in African great apes and hominids http://www.pnas.org/content/101/9/3077.full?sid=63d56eb2-1b42-4e2c-85df-bdbf76df6e23
A cranium from the earliest Europeans: Phylogenetic position of the hominid
Genera of the human lineage http://www.pnas.org/content/100/13/7684.full?sid=bac14050-f4cf-44f5-a557-d7d61f71c172
Early hominid biogeography http://www.pnas.org/content/96/16/9196.full?sid=bac14050-f4cf-44f5-a557-d7d61f71c172
Older age becomes common late in human evolution http://www.pnas.org/content/101/30/10895.full?sid=bac14050-f4cf-44f5-a557-d7d61f71c172

There we go. This is rougly half the list, but I was afriad it was getting far, far too long already. If you need anything else just ask! And a very happy friday the 13th to you all!

 

[DisneyWalker44]

Let me draw an analogy. Let's say that the South had lots of gold. The Union decides that it isn't right for the South to horde all of this gold, even though it is their Constitutional right (It is, after all, their gold. They paid for it.) So, even though the Union agrees that the South has a right to their gold, they pass laws that say that no other state can "horde" gold, and that any person from the South, when traveling with his gold, can have that gold taken from him by force. That same Union also encourage the other states to help themselves to the gold - encouraged them to sneak in and steal it right from the Southerners, homes.

There's no need for an analogy here. You've described the sitatuion, just substituted the word gold for slaves. It was slavery they were worried about. That was their big issue. They didn't call themselves the "Gold Hoarding States". They called themselves the "Slaveholding States".

or the federal government, for starting a war which cost countless lives in the name of preserving the Union?

Are you kidding me? I know you said you don't have a history degree, but I don't think you need a history degree to know the war started when Southern rebels attacked US solders at Ft Sumter. I can't believe people are still arguing that the folks attacking the US army were the good guys.

The United States of American is the greatest nation the earth has ever seen. It is worth fighting for.

You see, the Union never set out to free the slaves in Southern states.

And nobody here has said they had.

So the Union did not start the Civil war over slavery.

The Union didn't start the war.

And the South did not secede over slavery,

Again, go back and read their own words again. What one issue do they talk about over and over and over? How do they define themselves?

You give dishonor to people when you try and change who they were.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

...The United States of American is the greatest nation the earth has ever seen. It is worth fighting for...

From someone who has bled for America, I am not sure that I believe this anymore. We used to be the greatest nation in history. We are now becoming another power hungry dictatorship in which the people no longer have any power and in which freedom is all too easily set aside for political goals. The great men who built this nation warned us of this day, and it has arrived - and the slide started under Lincoln.

But that is enough debate. You have made up your mind, as have I. We will have to agree to disagree...

 

[Tiggernut_jadie]

Understood, then i will take my INQUIRING (that starts with an i doesnt it) mind and not bother you anymore in this thread. You seem to be out of ammo, so its best left alone!!!

Not if you come from the home of the language like Ford Family and myself, then enquiring is exactly correct!

Oh and Nomi...fantastic post. But don't expect that to be enough evidence for some...there's none so blind.......................

 

[Nomi]

Not if you come from the home of the language like Ford Family and myself, then enquiring is exactly correct!

Oh and Nomi...fantastic post. But don't expect that to be enough evidence for some...there's none so blind.......................

Thank you! My post is not meant to 'convert' anyone, I just was asked to provide some evidence so... My main point was that there is, in fact, a ton of evidence and observations of evolution. There seems to be a misconception that evolution has nothing behind it, and I just wanted to clear that up.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Thank you! My post is not meant to 'convert' anyone, I just was asked to provide some evidence so... My main point was that there is, in fact, a ton of evidence and observations of evolution. There seems to be a misconception that evolution has nothing behind it, and I just wanted to clear that up.

I'm kinda amused by the sites that exclaim it's just a theory.

It's a dead giveaway that they have a very limited knowledge of a beautiful science.
It's not something ya can just say ya believe in, it takes a li'l bit of study to
grasp the glory of it, makes ya really appreciate the earth as it is, well, evolved.

 

[ConcKahuna]

Thank you! My post is not meant to 'convert' anyone, I just was asked to provide some evidence so... My main point was that there is, in fact, a ton of evidence and observations of evolution. There seems to be a misconception that evolution has nothing behind it, and I just wanted to clear that up.

A great post for sure!

I would also like to point out that Evolution is in no way "anti-religion". The official stance of the Catholic church is that God is the guiding force behind evolution, and that His power helps the animals adapt in a way that benefits them in their environment instead of it being random mutation.