h1n1

dana1003

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anyone think im crazy for wanting to homeschool my kids for the rest of the year cuz of the h1n1? theres a thread on here about a little 5 year old boy who just passed away from it from complications. we had all been rooting for him for 22 days and finally his body just gave up. i have given both my girls the shot because they have chronic asthma..but i am still terrified..what are your thoughts??????
 
No, I don't think you are crazy, everyone is entitled to the way they feel. But I personally would not pull my child out of school because of the H1N1 flu. And this flu is not just in schools, it is everywhere you go. You got the children the vaccine, review with them proper handwashing, covering your mouth when you cough or sneeze, avoiding obviously ill people.

There are many things out there that can end a person's life. Seasonal flu and meningitis (not just in collage campuses anymore, it had been reported in public schools. Seemingly well one day, dead the next) are two that come to mind.
 
OP, I don't think you are crazy but overreacting just a bit....if you have gotten them the vaccine, then they should be fine. Just as the PP said you can catch this ANYWHERE "they say" I mean now you even have to watch your pets...(that is a bit much if you ask me)

I still feel its being overblown. Its a strain of flu thats all.
 
One of our kids had a checkup this week and the doctor told us not to even bother with getting the vaccine for any of our kids at this point. He said it's basically over.
 

Yes. Honestly, it does sound a bit crazy to me.

I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but very single year of your children's lives, they could have died from the regular flu. Yup, the regular flu kills a large number of people every year, and it's unusual, but it can lead to hospitalization and/or death in healthy children.

The risks are higher this year for healthy kids, but they are still very very low. The vast majority of children (and people in general) get H1N1, get pretty uncomfortable and ill, and then get better in a few days. Just as they do with the regular flu.

Did you pull your kids out of school last year or the year before or the year before that or at any point in their lives and homeschool them? Because by your logic, you should have. At any point in their livs, they were vulnerable to death from any number of completely innocuous-seeming communicable illnesses. Kids die from regular flu, from strep, from upper respiratory illnesses, from stomach viruses.

I know this is terrible and morbid and said, but it's the truth. I totally understand the urge you are feeling to protect them at all costs and to try to shelter them from any danger, but it is not realistic to think you can keep tem from getting sick by keeping them home away from other kids. It's a drastic, life-altering step and it's also unlikely to be effective, since they can pick up H1N1 or all the other potentially dangerous ilnesses out there from the grocery store or a playdate or any number of other situations. It's a better idea to just relax, accept the inevitability of communicable illness, and take reasonable precautions.

N.B. your kids got a h1n1 shot (or regular flu shot???) -- that's good. that is pretty much the best thing any of us can do to protect ourselves (short of never having any human contact with the outside world!!)
 
The only way to pretty much guarantee that they don't get sick is for NO ONE in your household to have contact with the outside world. Work from home and either stock up on everything that you will need 'til spring or hire someone to do your shopping and drop stuff off on the porch. You will need to decontaminate everything of course before it comes into the house just incase someone coughed all over it. So get gowns, masks and gloves, and lots of disintectant wipes. You can all bathe in lysol each night before bed just to be safe.
 
One of our kids had a checkup this week and the doctor told us not to even bother with getting the vaccine for any of our kids at this point. He said it's basically over.

I would seriously question this bit of advice-not that I'm all for the vaccine because I am still not sure. This virus is certainly not basically over yet. viruses thrive on dry cold weather-that is when they do their best work. We haven't even hit winter yet. We will see this virus come back again.
 
My DD12 and I both have H1N1 right now. I think the deaths from this strain of flu are being reported in the media far more then deaths from other flu viruses. I will atest that this is a very wicked flu, by far the worst I have ever had! I can definately see your concern with them having athsma. I have very healthy lungs and this virus has taken a toll on my lungs. My DD is finally starting to feel better after 5 days. I am on day 3 and hoping I don't have to to the ER this weekend due to the chest congestion. Its a personal decision and yes as a pp said the flu is everywhere.
 
I had read somewhere (can't remember where) that there would be a lull then it would start back up again. They are expecting h1n1 to flare up again in Dec/Jan. I wish I could remember where I read it, but I have been doing so much research that I just can't remember. Not sure if it's true or not.
 
I won't call you crazy but I do think you are WAY over-reacting. H1N1 is very common and its just the flu. It's not the Black Plague. Have you always been this scared of the flu? How about West Nile virus, TB, MRSA, HIV? Sure, those diseases are out there, but we do our best to stay safe and go on with our lives. You can most certainly pull your kids out of school to try to prevent H1N1 from visiting, but I'd suggest if you go that route that you also eliminate all your church activities, dance lessons, soccer, birthday parties, play dates with friends, Christmas shopping, Thanksgiving gathering,etc. Because H1N1 isn't a school disease. It's a flu virus that is found EVERYWHERE.

The better way would be to teach your kids to wash, wash, wash their hands. Give them little bottles of hand sanitizer, if it makes you feel better. Understand that some people get sick and SOME people get really really sick. It's the nature of the beast. All we can do is try to prevent illness with reasonable precautions.
 
I had read somewhere (can't remember where) that there would be a lull then it would start back up again. They are expecting h1n1 to flare up again in Dec/Jan. I wish I could remember where I read it, but I have been doing so much research that I just can't remember. Not sure if it's true or not.

I was just commenting on another thread that I had heard or read this somewhere.. The numbers would fall off for awhile and then come back with a bang in January..

To the OP: You're not crazy - just a concerned mom.. You said you got the vaccines for your 2 girls, but you're asking about your son.. Was there a reason he couldn't get the vaccine as well?

As others have stated, unless you are able to totally isolate yourselves from the outside world, just taking him out of school is no guarantee that he won't get sick..

Good luck with whatever you decide to do..:goodvibes
 
Unless you isolate everyone in your household and never leave the house, you cannot avoid possibly coming into contact w/ this virus. It can be very, very scary when you hear of the deaths that result from secondary infections related to this virus. However, you need to keep it in perspective that there is still only a 1% fatality rate (if not less).

I feel terrible for the families who suffer losses to this virus, it really seems senseless, but we all cannot stop living because of it.
 
I've been seeing and reading reports about the H1N1 all over the country but until yesterday I had not heard of anyone local having it yet. We knew it was coming...;)

There were 126 kids out from the middle school yesterday, with a couple dozen confirmed cases (and I'm going to assume a whole bunch more given those numbers). One of the other girl scouts in DD's troop has been confirmed and they were hanging together Thursday night and two of my friends' at work kept children home yesterday for fevers so yep, I'm gonna assume again. Sure, it could be strep or any number of other things, just saying...

Keeping up our good hand-washing habits, sleeping well, and staying out of mass stores for a bit now, although we are going to DD's schools Haunted House tonight (yep, a week later)..

Wondering whether the numbers will go up next week or down?
 
The only way to pretty much guarantee that they don't get sick is for NO ONE in your household to have contact with the outside world. Work from home and either stock up on everything that you will need 'til spring or hire someone to do your shopping and drop stuff off on the porch. You will need to decontaminate everything of course before it comes into the house just incase someone coughed all over it. So get gowns, masks and gloves, and lots of disintectant wipes. You can all bathe in lysol each night before bed just to be safe.

Sounds like my sister's family and they have had every illness the medical world ever thought of! You can run and hide but it can still find you. Fear, in my opinion, is more deadly than any virus.:surfweb:
 
My homeschooled DD was sick for nearly 3 weeks with *something* which I am guessing was H1N1 based on the symptoms, so unless you plan to isolate your kids from the world, homeschooling alone is not going to protect them.

As kilee said, unless none of you ever leave the house, you are exposed to all kinds of things every day.

And people forget so quickly how bad the "regular" flu can be. The flu season on '06-07 was HORRIBLE here; I posted about it on another H1N1 thread.

So many children were in ICU on life support from flu that the CDC was called in to investigate. It scared me to death. I couldn't get flu vaccine for my kids fast enough. I was actually more scared that year than I am right now.

I googled some articles from back then (the 2006-2007 flu season) and wow, they sound just like the things we're hearing now.

http://www.blackherbals.com/6_area_c...fe_support.htm


December 22, 2006

Six children are on life support at Children's Hospital fighting severe cases of influenza, hospital officials said.

The severity of the cases, many developing in the past two weeks, has raised concerns in Birmingham's pediatric medical community, said Dr. David Kimberlin, who specializes in pediatric infectious diseases at UAB.

"It is not the volume and not even the time of year that is jumping out at us," he said. "It is more that, for a number of otherwise healthy children, they are ending up on life support from the flu. The number of times that is occurring - it seems out of the ordinary, at least for now."

Influenza has hit Birmingham area children hard and early this year, with at least 10 reports of critically ill children, said Raenetta Ellison, influenza surveillance coordinator for the Jefferson County Health Department.

Normally, cases of that number and severity are not reported until late January, February and March, she said.

Alabama elevated its weekly influenza report to the "widespread outbrea" category this week, compared with the "regional outbreak" category last week, said Katina James, an epidemiologist with the Alabama Department of Public Health.


"Alabama had influenza activity earlier than most other states this year," Kimberlin said. "Right now, we and Florida and perhaps Georgia are really experiencing the largest outbreak of influenza in the country. We have a lot of children in the hospital with influenza, and that includes some very sick children in ICU."

The level of life support varies among the six patients, all of whom have respiratory failure, Kimberlin said. In some cases, in addition to a ventilator, additional support is needed, such as a heart and lung bypass machine.

While most of the younger flu patients are not that severely ill, emergency rooms and doctor's offices are staying packed with sick children, he said.

"I would like to know more so we can better understand what we are comparing this against," Kimberlin said. Outside of data that would better track the number of pediatric flu cases, "we are left with clinical impression. And this seems to be a particularly bad year, at least for some normal children who are getting the flu," he said.

Kimberlin, who is an associate professor of pediatrics at UAB, mentioned the 2003-04 flu season, when 153 influenza-associated deaths in children younger than 18 were reported by state health departments across the country. At that time, doctors determined that they did not know enough about how many children get sick during a flu season. Although studies and other types of surveys have been established since then, more time is needed to better compare one year with another, he said.


Hundreds sick:

Pinson Elementary and Chalkville Elementary in Jefferson County have reported hundreds of children out sick, many with flu-like symptoms, said Nez Calhoun, Jefferson County schools spokeswoman.

Two weeks ago, the schools had 300 and 400 students out sick, many with flu-like symptoms, on a Thursday and Friday, compared with about 30 to 40 students out sick a year ago. School officials sent letters home to parents urging them to keep sick children at home, she said.

Ellison, who monitors the number and severity of flu cases with the help of participating physicians, said she is urging parents to get their children flu shots and practice good hygiene.

For the week of Dec. 10-16, 186 patients with influenza-like illness, mostly children, sought treatment with a physician participating with the Jefferson County influenza surveillance program, she said. There were 50 such patients at the same time last year.


E-mail: losburn@bhamnews.com
http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnew...660.xml&coll=2

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© 2006 The Birmingham News


and here's a follow-up article:http://pandemicchronicle.com/2006/12...ren-follow-up/



CDC asked to probe severe pediatric flu in Birmingham area

Associated Press Fri, Dec. 29, 2006
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been asked to investigate several severe influenza cases in the Birmingham area that have caused at least nine children to be hospitalized, officials said.

Five of six children who were on life support at Children’s Hospital have improved, but three more children were admitted with severe flu cases in the past week, hospital officials said.

"There are still a lot of children going to the emergency room and a number of children admitted to the hospital."

Kimberlin told The Birmingham News in a story Friday that the CDC in Atlanta was contacted after the severity of pediatric flu cases raised concerns in Birmingham’s medical community.

He said none of the original six children on life support had been vaccinated. Doctors have identified the presence of both A and B strains of the virus and the CDC will further research the flu strains that were causing some of the more severe cases.



From the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/FLU/about/qa/0607season.htm

Quote:
Flu Deaths in Children

How many children have died from flu-associated complications during previous flu seasons?

During the 2003-04 Season, 153 flu-associated deaths in children were reported to CDC.
During the 2004-05 Season, 47 deaths in children were reported to CDC.
During the 2005-06 Season, 46 deaths in children were reported to CDC.
As of August 6, 2007, 68 deaths in children occurring during the 2006-07 season have been reported to CDC.

Here's a more recent CDC release:



Each year, the flu is reported to be responsible for almost 36,000 deaths, including about 46 to 74 deaths in children. Last year (2008-09 flu season), 97 deaths in children were reported to the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System.

There have been 53 influenza-associated pediatric deaths from swine flu since August 30.


This article is about Nebraska, Oklahoma, and also North Carolina cases from 2006-2007. So it was bad in many other places as well.
http://cbs11tv.com/health/CDC.Flu.Child.2.499672.html



My point is that although the deaths this year are certainly tragic, there have been flu deaths all along, but normally they fly "under the radar" with the media, and we don't hear about it. Even in '06-'07, I don't remember hearing about it on TV, just reading the two articles in the newspaper that I quoted. (The Birmingham News).


The rapid decompensation that a small minority of patients experience, is so unpredictable, and so hard to stop. It's really rare, but that doesn't make it easier when it's happening to someone you love. But it does make for the type story the media picks up on.
 
DD11's school hasn't even received the h1n1 vaccine yet. There have been many kids out and the school is still going on with the first dance of the school year next friday.

:confused3
 
We DO homeschool and it has been nice to be a little bit insulated this year. Almost all of our neighbor kids have had H1N1 -- one of them hospitalized -- we have managed to avoid it.

DD got her first H1N1 vaccine yesterday. She'll get the second one in December. So I'm feeling pretty good about things.

I wouldn't homeschool just to avoid illness -- but it's been nice to be somewhat removed from big groups of kids this year!!
 
One of our kids had a checkup this week and the doctor told us not to even bother with getting the vaccine for any of our kids at this point. He said it's basically over.

I definitely don't buy that it's basically over. Another 19 pediatric deaths just last week.

My DD (a nursing student) got her H1N1 shot last week and my granddaughters have appointments to get their next week. I can understand your concern. My DD was talking about homeschooling her daughters because she was so worried. Working at the hospital, she has seen numerous cases and it scares the heck out of her.

To OP, I don't think that you need to keep your kids home. How long has it been since they had the shot? 2 weeks and they should be fairly well protected. I don't know how old your children are, but we keep telling our granddaughters, over and over again, to wash their hands, use their hand sanitizers, keep their hands away from their faces, don't drink from water coolers, etc.
 












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