GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[TLSnell1981]

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DisneyJamieCA said:
I agree with you on Halloween. I keep trying to brainstorm ideas in my head on how I could make it semi normal for my younger two, but nothing seems safe. Which sucks because last Halloween was cancelled because of fires in our area (and poor air quality). Hopefully somebody comes up with a genius idea to make it work in some capacity.



I say the parents all do slow drive bys throughout the neighborhood... windows down with the kids in the car, in costume...we'll all hang out on our front lawns with halloween music blasting and toss the sealed candy into their cars from our front lawn. lol

We always put a couple of very large containers filled with candy at the end of our drive. Saves the kids a walk to the front door. We had hayrides from house to house when our kids were little. I think Halloween will be doable.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

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We always put a couple of very large containers filled with candy at the end of our drive. Saves the kids a walk to the front door. We had hayrides from house to house when our kids were little. I think Halloween will be doable.

I'm thinking the growing popularity of trunk or treat events will probably be fewer, maybe much fewer this year. Not unless they can set up the six foot markers, everyone including the kids wearing actual masks and there was maybe just set goodie bags to hand out or left out for the children to pick up. I think actual trick or treating is more doable especially if you take out giving the candy at the door and do it more social distancing way and parents concentrate more on having their kids just do trick or treating with people in their own households. I know people are concerned about Halloween though and it's weird to think about it with it still months away but it's like we really do have to start thinking about it.

 

[Pyotr]

The anti-bodies test has such a high rate of failure it's practically worthless to rule out whether you were exposed or not. If it shows positive, it's very accurate, but a negative doesn't really give you much assurety that you didn't have it. My daughter was sure she had it too in late February, but tested negative as well. He Dr suggested multiple tests to rule out any false negatives, but she has yet to test again.

I’ll probably get another test soon. I think the tests have gotten better since I had it done. I have a high risk job and I have to go to peoples homes that I know are infected. I take precautions but there is always a risk.

Late June early July I saw a lot of new cases. It’s been pretty quiet the last two weeks.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Guess I haven't even worried about Halloween yet too far away, but overall in our neighborhood it wouldn't be hard to do and be fine and plus if schools are still in session I see even less worry. Schools are still planning on going back here next month.

Well schools don't plan on being in session here as they've said they plan on doing remote learning until the end of the first trimester at the least. And we'll still be in fire season, like we are every year. And we've been warned of a worse than normal fire season this year. I'm not terribly worried about Halloween right now, but it's definitely on my mind since it was a bust last year.

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We always put a couple of very large containers filled with candy at the end of our drive. Saves the kids a walk to the front door. We had hayrides from house to house when our kids were little. I think Halloween will be doable.

This is probably the best idea. Our neighborhood tends to get really crowded (kids carpool in), but I'm sure there is a way to make it safe - even if it's done with masks.

 

[sam_gordon]

I do think some people are more susceptible to "trying to discredit" but I do think to everyday citizens they get frustrated sometimes when their local leaders don't walk the talk. You tell someone to wear a mask in public (normally with the additional when you are unable to social distance) and then you see them without a mask and well even if there could be a good reason for it (like your governor sitting away from other people) it can look a certain way to someone.

And I don't think it helps that people might see that baseball game and say "it doesn't matter if you are sitting away from people because of the shouting that can be involved, or how do we know you were wearing it when you left your seat, did someone get close to you, etc" and people aren't doing that particular thing because that person is your governor at that point, they are doing it because that's how they would see if it someone else was doing it, potentially labeling them a covidiot, or saying they were selfish and kids sports shouldn't even be going on right now, etc.

There's been a variety of examples where local leaders (governors, mayors, city officials, etc) who have engaged in behavior they tell their citizens not to do but they become caught in the public eye sometimes too closely and an instant impression is made when it's just a moment in time.

Well if "everyday citizens" would pay attention, then there wouldn't be a problem. If a leader says "Wear a mask when you can't socially distance" or "Wear a mask when inside", but citizens only hear "wear a mask", the problem is with the citizens. If no one is within 10' of you and you're outside, go ahead and take you mask off. "What if you yell" and "What if someone walks up to you" is nothing more than "gotcha's". Unless you have proof of them yelling (which again, if they're by themselves who cares) or not putting a mask on when someone comes up, then ****. I have heard the Ky Governor. He says "wear a mask when you can't socially distance." So he IS "walking the talk".

I also heard the Ky Governor had taken his son to a baseball tournament, saw the kids were being kept in the dugout without masks, felt it was unsafe for his kids, and turned around and left. Isn't that his right as a parent to do so? If there was a lightning storm going on and they kept kids on the field, and he took his son away, no one would fault him.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

I also heard the Ky Governor had taken his son to a baseball tournament, saw the kids were being kept in the dugout without masks, felt it was unsafe for his kids, and turned around and left. Isn't that his right as a parent to do so? If there was a lightning storm going on and they kept kids on the field, and he took his son away, no one would fault him.

Absolutely but with all due respect I don't think bringing in a lightning storm makes much sense because we're really talking about public safety measures as they are now due to a pandemic. I'm fairly certain all of us have been told throughout our lives to seek shelter in a lightning storm; that isn't something that has changed in recent years and isn't going to change when/if the pandemic eases.

Well if "everyday citizens" would pay attention, then there wouldn't be a problem. If a leader says "Wear a mask when you can't socially distance" or "Wear a mask when inside", but citizens only hear "wear a mask", the problem is with the citizens. If no one is within 10' of you and you're outside, go ahead and take you mask off. "What if you yell" and "What if someone walks up to you" is nothing more than "gotcha's". Unless you have proof of them yelling (which again, if they're by themselves who cares) or not putting a mask on when someone comes up, then ****. I have heard the Ky Governor. He says "wear a mask when you can't socially distance." So he IS "walking the talk".

Hmm I think you're missing part of my comment when I said "did someone come up to him" and "if he wore one if we went elsewhere". I didn't say people would think it was wrong if he sat where no one was within 10feet of him (though I did mention shouting) nor did I say people only hear wear a mask. I said people could be thinking about the other parts to it based on a snapshot in time. I believe you live in KY? I'm not trying to criticize the KY governor. I'm saying I understand why these people tend to get the heat even based on a snapshot in time because they are at the forefront telling their citizens to do this and that and people look up to them.

How many times have people on this Board and all over the place commented about our President and not wearing a mask in such and such place or discussing seeing someone talk at a podium without a mask even if you can come up with reasons why that may not present an issue, or seeing a local official at a protest without a mask or on vacation without a mask. Some people do earnestly try to discredit people and other are more saying "hey we look up to you".

 

[sam_gordon]

Absolutely but with all due respect I don't think bringing in a lightning storm makes much sense because we're really talking about public safety measures as they are now due to a pandemic. I'm fairly certain all of us have been told throughout our lives to seek shelter in a lightning storm; that isn't something that has changed in recent years and isn't going to change when/if the pandemic eases.

The lightning storm was the first "unsafe" aspect I could think of.

Hmm I think you're missing part of my comment when I said "did someone come up to him" and "if he wore one if we went elsewhere". I didn't say people would think it was wrong if he sat where no one was within 10feet of him (though I did mention shouting) nor did I say people only hear wear a mask. I said people could be thinking about the other parts to it based on a snapshot in time. I believe you live in KY? I'm not trying to criticize the KY governor. I'm saying I understand why these people tend to get the heat even based on a snapshot in time because they are at the forefront telling their citizens to do this and that and people look up to them.

Regarding the bolded, I'm going by what @kymom99 posted. I missed where he talked about that incident.

How many times have people on this Board and all over the place commented about our President and not wearing a mask in such and such place or discussing seeing someone talk at a podium without a mask even if you can come up with reasons why that may not present an issue, or seeing a local official at a protest without a mask or on vacation without a mask. Some people do earnestly try to discredit people and other are more saying "hey we look up to you".

And when someone complained about a "leader" not wearing a mask at a podium, I, and some others I think, started asking questions... were people far enough away, who was too close, etc. People are quick to criticize someone they don't agree with... especially national, state, and local leaders. Just like @littlejimmy posted the picture of Dr. Fauci... he still hasn't explained what Fauci did that was so wrong. "HE'S PULLED DOWN HIS MASK!" is the only thing I can imagine. But it's pretty obvious there's no one around him, and it's not a great leap to say he just took a drink. I don't think anyone should be faulted for doing what Fauci did, regardless of who they are.

 

[anthony2k7]

The anti-bodies test has such a high rate of failure it's practically worthless to rule out whether you were exposed or not. If it shows positive, it's very accurate, but a negative doesn't really give you much assurety that you didn't have it. My daughter was sure she had it too in late February, but tested negative as well. He Dr suggested multiple tests to rule out any false negatives, but she has yet to test again.

I had heard even for positives it wasn't reliable for. I think there are several anti body tests now so may not apply to all but I had heard some are picking up anti bodies from common cold viruses as a positive.

 

[RamblingMad]

I had heard even for positives it wasn't reliable for. I think there are several anti body tests now so may not apply to all but I had heard some are picking up anti bodies from common cold viruses as a positive.

No point to take an antibody test. We don't know how many antibodies we need for immunity, and we have no idea how long immunity lasts. It's a pretty wasteful test.

 

[anthony2k7]

No point to take an antibody test. We don't know how many antibodies we need for immunity, and we have no idea how long immunity lasts. It's a pretty wasteful test.

I know. I would at least like to take one out of curiosity as to whether I had it early January. It supposedly wasn't in the uk then but I certainly had something which ticked many of the symptoms check list. But, no point unless they can get a more reliable test.

 

[lovethesun12]

Basically there are multiple risks in bars. They really shouldn't be open anywhere in the world right now. Unfortunately most are still open.

Shouldn't there be a point when they do open though? We've only had 2 or 3 cases in the last 4 months, and they were from travelers (they work away). We basically have unlimited testing (how many even need one?) and vigorous contact tracing.

I feel pretty good going out now, still use hand sanitizer a lot but not worried or anything. Masks are more common but still not really "a thing". I think they probably will be though if we get an increase in cases. But most things are fully reopened with social distancing. I think they should shut down again though if we get a case of community spread.

 

[Pyotr]

My dad’s friend flew back down to Florida last week. A few days ago my dad was talking to him and he was just diagnosed with COVID. He was absolutely 100% sure he caught it from a coughing lady that was sitting behind him on the flight. My dad said that his friend had minor symptoms and a slight cough. Well, today he died. My dad is devastated.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-gop-congressman-staffer-dies-coronavirus
So horrible. Stay safe everyone.

 

[anthony2k7]

Shouldn't there be a point when they do open though? We've only had 2 or 3 cases in the last 4 months, and they were from travelers (they work away). We basically have unlimited testing (how many even need one?) and vigorous contact tracing.

I feel pretty good going out now, still use hand sanitizer a lot but not worried or anything. Masks are more common but still not really "a thing". I think they probably will be though if we get an increase in cases. But most things are fully reopened with social distancing. I think they should shut down again though if we get a case of community spread.

I think the point is now that spikes are flaring up all around the world and bars are likely a contributing factor. It only takes 1 person to go into a crowded bar and suddenly 50 people have it who give it to their family and you're suddenly then at 100 to 200 people could be positive from 1 person going into a bar.


Remember the south Korea night club case. One guy visited several clubs in one night and directly infected i think it was over 100 people and they thought up to 5000 may have been in contact directly with the guy.

 

[kymom99]

My son was at work today at a drug store. At noon he texted he was coming home. They shut the store down. He still doesn’t know why. It’s a little scary.

 

[lovethesun12]

I think the point is now that spikes are flaring up all around the world and bars are likely a contributing factor. It only takes 1 person to go into a crowded bar and suddenly 50 people have it who give it to their family and you're suddenly then at 100 to 200 people could be positive from 1 person going into a bar.


Remember the south Korea night club case. One guy visited several clubs in one night and directly infected i think it was over 100 people and they thought up to 5000 may have been in contact directly with the guy.

Yeah that makes sense. Good point.

 

[TLSnell1981]

My son was at work today at a drug store. At noon he texted he was coming home. They shut the store down. He still doesn’t know why. It’s a little scary.

We have been through this a few times. Suddenly someone is "working from home for two weeks"...another is shutting down for cleaning, etc. It does make you take a deep deep breath. Thankfully precautions have worked...so far. We must be doing something right. Wishing your son the best.

 

[kymom99]

We have been through this a few times. Suddenly someone is "working from home for two weeks"...another is shutting down for cleaning, etc. It does make you take a deep deep breath. Thankfully precautions have worked...so far. We must be doing something right. Wishing your son the best.

Thank you! On top of that I had the worst headache of my life today. It was a bit scary. My temp was normal and my husband has a watch that checks BP among other things. BP was slightly high for me. I finally was able to take some ibuprofen and now feel better. Still a dull headache but nothing like earlier. I’m not a worrier by nature but I admit I was thinking about having to isolate and how awful that would be.

 

[robinb]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-gop-congressman-staffer-dies-coronavirus
So horrible. Stay safe everyone.

I saw that an Twitter this afternoon. I wondered if he was your dad’s friend. Again, I’m very sorry for your family’s loss.

 

[cakebaker]

No point to take an antibody test. We don't know how many antibodies we need for immunity, and we have no idea how long immunity lasts. It's a pretty wasteful test.

There's an excellent reason for taking the antibody test and it's the reason my daughter took it. You can donate plasma and they are using it as a treatment for victims of the virus. My daughter's Dr suggested she be tested for that very reason. She wasn't tested so she'd know if she was immune or not.

 

[mousefan73]

My dad’s friend flew back down to Florida last week. A few days ago my dad was talking to him and he was just diagnosed with COVID. He was absolutely 100% sure he caught it from a coughing lady that was sitting behind him on the flight. My dad said that his friend had minor symptoms and a slight cough. Well, today he died. My dad is devastated.

One can only assume how he caught it especially as he flew into a hot spot. Anyone who sits in front of my DH on a flight can also assume they caught it from him as poor DH has a chronic cough due to his BP medication.

sorry about your dad's friend though.