Good Camera for Night Shots

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I need to know what a good camera is for taking photos at night. I noticed my Kodak Z712IS last time didn't take very good night pictures. My friend had a point and shoot little Fuji and it took better night time pictures. I am thinking of getting a new camera and was wondering what others suggest. I dont want to spend hundreds of dollars, but I am willing to go up to $450 or so.

Any thoughts?
 
I need to know what a good camera is for taking photos at night. I noticed my Kodak Z712IS last time didn't take very good night pictures. My friend had a point and shoot little Fuji and it took better night time pictures. I am thinking of getting a new camera and was wondering what others suggest. I dont want to spend hundreds of dollars, but I am willing to go up to $450 or so.

Any thoughts?
IMO for a little bit more than $450 you can get a DSLR and fast 50mm prime lens , which will give you about the best low light photos in that price range. You can spend more and get a dslr with IS built in which will give you an additional few stops.

But sometimes even with the best camera and lens, you will need a tripod to get acceptable photos.
 
Larger sensor = better nighttime performance. Fuji probably has the best low-light PnS's due to their (marginally) larger sensors. Plenty of different models to choose from, depending on what other features you are looking for. Next step is a quantum leap to a dSLR, which would be a little beyond your stated budget.

~Y
 
Umm silly question, what is dSLR? What is the price range these may run? I am not to sure what other features I would like, other than zoom, fire works, sometimes action photos, and the ability to take another photo shortly after taking one. I hate waiting for the camera to finish the photo (write to the memory card)

I dont know much about cameras, and just usually do the point and shoot thing. :rotfl:

But I appreciate the help and quick responses :banana:
 

DSLRs are the digital cameras that have separate lenses that you can switch. The cheapest is probably the Pentax K100D Super with a 18-55mm lens for around $450 after $100 rebate. You would have to spend another $175 or so for a 50mm wide aperture prime lens (big opening to let in more light, but fixed to one focal length). I went almost a year before buying the prime lens, but I did pick up a used manual focus one for about $50 before then. Even without the fast lens, a DSLR is still better at low light than a p&s.

Kevin
 
Also note that not all Fujis have the larger sensor. The ones you'd want for good low-light performance are the F30, F31, or F40, or the larger long-zoom S6000 or S9100. They have the "SuperCCD HR sensor".

Your average DSLR has a sensor that's about 15x as large as the sensor in the vast majority of PnS cameras. That's why they can do so much better than the PnS cameras. Here's a graphic I whipped up to show the difference:

Sensor+sizes.jpg


The PnSs mostly use the 1/2.5" sensor, the Olympus DSLRs use the Four Thirds sensor, and most other DSLRs use the APS-C sensor (Canons being fractionally smaller.) 1/1.8" is what you can find in a few non-Fuji point-n-shoots (no long-zooms though), and the Fuji large-sensor ones are 1/1.7" or 1/1.6".

Also remember that looking on the LCD screen of the camera is not a good way to judge photos - your friend's photos may look good there but lousy once they're on the PC or printed out. The grass isn't always greener. :)
 
Umm silly question, what is dSLR? What is the price range these may run? I am not to sure what other features I would like, other than zoom, fire works, sometimes action photos, and the ability to take another photo shortly after taking one. I hate waiting for the camera to finish the photo (write to the memory card)

I dont know much about cameras, and just usually do the point and shoot thing. :rotfl:

But I appreciate the help and quick responses :banana:
You can get the Canon Rebel xt(body only) and the 50mm f/1.8 for $480 at buydig(no tax or shipping).

But it is a prime lens which means NO ZOOM, but you can purchase zoom lenses at a later date.
 
Thanks, I'll start looking for that. I could go more money for a good setup. I will start looking and seeing what I can find. Any one brand that stands out as great, or they all about the same really.....
 
From a Nikon POV, the D40 + 18-135mm lens (equivalent to a 28-200mm on a 35mm film camera) goes for about $660 from B&H. The D40 two kit lens (18-55 plus 55-200) is currently $550 from Crutchfield, although the 55-200 is not the newer VR (stabilized) version. If you wanted the VR version of the 55-200, you could buy the camera plus 18-55mm for $480 from Buydig and add the 55-200VR for $230 from B&H, making your total about $710.

For really good low-light results, though, you would need a faster (lower f-number) lens. Unfortunately, the only inexpensive fast Nikon lens is the 50mm f/1.8 ($115 at Buydig) which will not AUTOfocus on the D40. It will focus but only manually.

Decisons...decisions!

~Y
 
Thanks, I'll start looking for that. I could go more money for a good setup. I will start looking and seeing what I can find. Any one brand that stands out as great, or they all about the same really.....

Every DSLR is going to be good, but each has its own quirks. There are more Canon shooters than anything else, so if you are going to want to share with friends, see what they have. Canon likely has the biggest lineup of new lenses as well. The second most popular is Nikon, but as was pointed out, if you go with the base model you have some lens limitations. Unfortunately, the best bang for the buck low light lens (50mm f/1.8) is one of them. I shoot a Pentax K100D. The benefit of Pentax (as well as Sony, the new Olympus models, and Samsung) is that they have in body image stabilization on the current models. That makes any lens you mount have IS. With Canon and Nikon you have it in lens, which makes the lens cost more. The in lens system is probably a little better, but the body based system is still very effective. Samsungs are clones of the Pentax, but not really seen much in the US. The Olympus has a different type of sensor that is an upside to some and a downside to others. Instead of affecting the focal length of a lens by a facor of 1.5x-1.6x for the consumer level models from the other brands, they have a 2x factor. That means that a 14-40mm lens essentially acts like a 28-80mm. It is good if you want to do a lot of telephoto end shooting, but not that great if you want wider than the effective 28mm. It also makes the depth of field(in focus area of a shot) larger. That is usually a plus for someone making the jump from a p&s b/c they have a very large DOF. On the other hand, many DSLR users like to make the DOF really small to blur the background. It can be done with the Oly, but not as easily and not by the same amount. They also have smaller sensors which usually leads to a little more image noise at high ISOs. They seem to be getting it more under control with software in the newer models, but that can be at the cost of image sharpness.

Another very important thing to consider is the feel in your hands. The entry level Canon and Nikon models are on the small side, so good if you have small hands, but bad if you have larger hands. The entry level Pentax and Samsung models are a little larger.

Not to overwhelm you with info, but while I am on a roll, you really need to think hard about your upgrade path and what lenses you will want now and in the future. If you are going to go with C or N and the kit lens (basic 18-55mm) then be aware that the optical and build quality of that lens is intentionally not as good as their more expensive models. They want you to upgrade. The other brands are competing for market share more and typically offer a better quality kit lens. I am still using my Pentax one and am very happy with it in results and build quality. Also, if you think you might go towards pro level gear in the relatively near future, then stick to C&N as the other brands might not have as much to offer and/or might not even be around in ten years. I personally believe that all the current companies will still be around and offering pro gear b/c the market is continuing to grow, but you never know.

Kevin
 
Every DSLR is going to be good, but each has its own quirks. There are more Canon shooters than anything else, so if you are going to want to share with friends, see what they have. Canon likely has the biggest lineup of new lenses as well. The second most popular is Nikon, but as was pointed out, if you go with the base model you have some lens limitations. Unfortunately, the best bang for the buck low light lens (50mm f/1.8) is one of them. I shoot a Pentax K100D. The benefit of Pentax (as well as Sony, the new Olympus models, and Samsung) is that they have in body image stabilization on the current models. That makes any lens you mount have IS. With Canon and Nikon you have it in lens, which makes the lens cost more. The in lens system is probably a little better, but the body based system is still very effective. Samsungs are clones of the Pentax, but not really seen much in the US. The Olympus has a different type of sensor that is an upside to some and a downside to others. Instead of affecting the focal length of a lens by a facor of 1.5x-1.6x for the consumer level models from the other brands, they have a 2x factor. That means that a 14-40mm lens essentially acts like a 28-80mm. It is good if you want to do a lot of telephoto end shooting, but not that great if you want wider than the effective 28mm. It also makes the depth of field(in focus area of a shot) larger. That is usually a plus for someone making the jump from a p&s b/c they have a very large DOF. On the other hand, many DSLR users like to make the DOF really small to blur the background. It can be done with the Oly, but not as easily and not by the same amount. They also have smaller sensors which usually leads to a little more image noise at high ISOs. They seem to be getting it more under control with software in the newer models, but that can be at the cost of image sharpness.

Another very important thing to consider is the feel in your hands. The entry level Canon and Nikon models are on the small side, so good if you have small hands, but bad if you have larger hands. The entry level Pentax and Samsung models are a little larger.

Not to overwhelm you with info, but while I am on a roll, you really need to think hard about your upgrade path and what lenses you will want now and in the future. If you are going to go with C or N and the kit lens (basic 18-55mm) then be aware that the optical and build quality of that lens is intentionally not as good as their more expensive models. They want you to upgrade. The other brands are competing for market share more and typically offer a better quality kit lens. I am still using my Pentax one and am very happy with it in results and build quality. Also, if you think you might go towards pro level gear in the relatively near future, then stick to C&N as the other brands might not have as much to offer and/or might not even be around in ten years. I personally believe that all the current companies will still be around and offering pro gear b/c the market is continuing to grow, but you never know.

Kevin

Great post.
 














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