Girls wearing hats in school

[bumbershoot]

I love that the boy noticed the problem, spoke up, and was HEARD! Yay for that school! And yay for that boy, being so brave!

I'd love someone to tell the older ladies at my church that they can't wear hats anymore to the service... I commented earlier, but to expand, I think it's perfectly fine for ladies to wear hats indoors, just not baseball caps. And it kills me when men are still wearing their hats at the dinner table. I want to walk over and slap them off their head.

School is not church. If the church develops dress codes (and I bet they have them...I bet there aren't a whole lot of baseball caps there if it's a church where women wear fancy hats) that says "no hats", then it will change. Schools want to (maybe even "have to") control the people attending class a bit more.

If that's important to you than I don't see an issue with it, but that's a separate issue that wearing hats in school. If the school has a no hats rule, then it doesn't matter what the etiquette about hats on men vs.hats on women is.

Exactly.

But the society we live in is denegrating slowly to incorporate other peoples views of culture.

Guess they shouldn't have called it a *melting pot* when the country was created.... How pesky, becoming more inclusive of those who have come to this country...

I just returned from The Alamo, a site where many died 'n they had to have a guide at the front door askin' grown men to remove their hats, pathetic!

Why would it be pathetic? Surely they get lots of international visitors, who might come from places without the tradition? Surely they get lots of visitors from states that don't have traditions like hats on/off, or not wearing white after Labor Day, etc (western WA comes to mind here). If they have a rule that isn't taught to absolutely everyone, then it's good that it is posted!

I'm of no opinion about how that goes along with the discussion (apart from the school's dress code, I do think that hats on men indoors look pretty bleah, though I don't know many women who wear hats other than baseball caps!), but I just love those things....so so funny. (I like trying to read Barney's wall of posters on How I Met Your Mother)

Yes, anywhere a man is allowed to be topless, legally, a woman should be allowed.

I'm of the opposite opinion. I want everyone's top bits and pieces covered. I don't care who you are or what you look like, if you're beyond puberty I don't want to see your chestal region if we're in public. Yay for rashguard tops!

 

[Uncle Remus]

Why would it be pathetic? Surely they get lots of international visitors, who might come from places without the tradition? Surely they get lots of visitors from states that don't have traditions like hats on/off, or not wearing white after Labor Day, etc (western WA comes to mind here). If they have a rule that isn't taught to absolutely everyone, then it's good that it is posted!

Yeah, the 100+ memorial wreaths from various countries 'n states weren't enough clues that the place is sacred.

 

[DaParkers]

When my son walks into a building, he is to remove his hat. On vacation last week, he hung it on the back of his chair every time we went in to a restaurant. Why? Because I said so.

I'm also attempting to make him open doors for people in order to demonstrate the fact that he's a gentleman with good manners. I don't let him burp or fart in public. It's bad etiquette. I don't see removing his hat any differently.

If I looked over at you at the table next to me at a restaurant, I'd point you out to him as someone with bad etiquette. I'd use you as an example.

You obviously aren't a good teacher. How would showing a man with his hat off teach your son that I have bad etiquette? Are would you be able to read my mind and know that I disagree with the reasoning for having it off. Next time, quote the whole post.

 

[Goofyluver]

You obviously aren't a good teacher. How would showing a man with his hat off teach your son that I have bad etiquette? Are would you be able to read my mind and know that I disagree with the reasoning for having it off. Next time, quote the whole post.

You too.

 

[DaParkers]

You too.

That is funny.

 

[FireDancer]

I'm of no opinion about how that goes along with the discussion (apart from the school's dress code, I do think that hats on men indoors look pretty bleah, though I don't know many women who wear hats other than baseball caps!), but I just love those things....so so funny. (I like trying to read Barney's wall of posters on How I Met Your Mother)

There are so many threads on here that just cry out for a demotivator. I think about 75% of the ones on the restaurant and resort boards need this one:

I mean if you need complete strangers to verify that you made good restaurant decisions perhaps decision making just isn't your thing. Hopefully reproduction isn't either.

Will my family like <insert resort here>? Yes! It is a Disney resort not a death camp in the middle of Beirut. If the theme of your resort even has the chance of ruining your trip to Disney World for the love of God please just stay home...preferably in the garage with the car running.

And it is 'Ohana you idiot, not O'Hana's. How on bloody Earth would an Irish restaurant fit in with the theme of the Polynesian resort?!?

Ok, sorry for that little tangent but let's face it, it needed to be said. A little harsh? Perhaps. But I know all of you thought it...unless you ask those questions and then you probably don't even know I'm talking about you.

 

[Silly Little Pixie]

There are so many threads on here that just cry out for a demotivator. I think about 75% of the ones on the restaurant and resort boards need this one:

I mean if you need complete strangers to verify that you made good restaurant decisions perhaps decision making just isn't your thing. Hopefully reproduction isn't either.

Will my family like <insert resort here>? Yes! It is a Disney resort not a death camp in the middle of Beirut. If the theme of your resort even has the chance of ruining your trip to Disney World for the love of God please just stay home...preferably in the garage with the car running.

And it is 'Ohana you idiot, not O'Hana's. How on bloody Earth would an Irish restaurant fit in with the theme of the Polynesian resort?!?

Ok, sorry for that little tangent but let's face it, it needed to be said. A little harsh? Perhaps. But I know all of you thought it...unless you ask those questions and then you probably don't even know I'm talking about you.

The restaurant decisions are so true. What someone else (whom you never met and never will) ate 6 months ago is really going to matter when choosing the "right" ADR?

 

[Planogirl]

There are so many threads on here that just cry out for a demotivator. I think about 75% of the ones on the restaurant and resort boards need this one:

I mean if you need complete strangers to verify that you made good restaurant decisions perhaps decision making just isn't your thing. Hopefully reproduction isn't either.

Will my family like <insert resort here>? Yes! It is a Disney resort not a death camp in the middle of Beirut. If the theme of your resort even has the chance of ruining your trip to Disney World for the love of God please just stay home...preferably in the garage with the car running.

And it is 'Ohana you idiot, not O'Hana's. How on bloody Earth would an Irish restaurant fit in with the theme of the Polynesian resort?!?

Ok, sorry for that little tangent but let's face it, it needed to be said. A little harsh? Perhaps. But I know all of you thought it...unless you ask those questions and then you probably don't even know I'm talking about you.

Having a bad day?

Seriously, if people didn't ask "stupid" questions what would there be to talk about?

 

[FireDancer]

Having a bad day?

Seriously, if people didn't ask "stupid" questions what would there be to talk about?

Not at all. That wasn't so much made in anger as much as in disbelief with, hopefully, some humor added in. It isn't really meant to be taken all that seriously.

There are just so many times you can see some of these questions before you start to wonder how we as a species have managed to avoid falling foul of natural selection. What is worse still though is that the inane question was asked and answered thirty times already. The Interwebs, not to mention these boards, has a search feature. Try it out.

 

[shortbun]

Our schools do not allow headgear unless it's a religious piece. Not for any other reason.
Teachers stand at the doors and instruck students to remove their hats if the show up in them. My son is not allowed to wear a hat anywhere but outside. The girls can wear hats rule is about church or ladies teas as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Hidden_Mickey]

As for the OP, if the rule at school is no hats, then there must be a good reason for it, and it should apply to everyone.

BUT... I've always wondered WHY is it rude to leave a hat on indoors? Please don't say "because it is", lol. Really, historically, there must be reason. What is it? And does it really still apply today? I don't wear hats because I hate "stuff" on my head, but I am a history buff, so I would like to know the reason for this tradition.

I know that many years ago men always wore hats. Honestly, I think it was when people bathed less often and wanted to hide their hair But, now, hats are accessories, not necessities.

Traditionally, people always tucked in their shirts and wore belts. In the last few years this has changed. Honestly, I think it has been because of the obesity epidemic. Overweight folks would rather be untucked to hide their weight better. Of course, that is just my humble opionion. But, the point is that you rarely see anyone tucked in anymore, unless they are dressed for a special occasion, and it is not considered to be "rude". So, tradition has changed.

Why not the hat rules (outside of school)? Just sayin'.

 

[MichelleVW]

As for the OP, if the rule at school is no hats, then there must be a good reason for it, and it should apply to everyone.

BUT... I've always wondered WHY is it rude to leave a hat on indoors? Please don't say "because it is", lol. Really, historically, there must be reason. What is it? And does it really still apply today? I don't wear hats because I hate "stuff" on my head, but I am a history buff, so I would like to know the reason for this tradition.

I know that many years ago men always wore hats. Honestly, I think it was when people bathed less often and wanted to hide their hair But, now, hats are accessories, not necessities.

Traditionally, people always tucked in their shirts and wore belts. In the last few years this has changed. Honestly, I think it has been because of the obesity epidemic. Overweight folks would rather be untucked to hide their weight better. Of course, that is just my humble opionion. But, the point is that you rarely see anyone tucked in anymore, unless they are dressed for a special occasion, and it is not considered to be "rude". So, tradition has changed.

Why not the hat rules (outside of school)? Just sayin'.

You won't get that answered....I've been trying. The only reason they can give is, "because it's the thing to do", "my mom raised me right" "because it's proper" blah blah blah......

 

[Uncle Remus]

You won't get that answered....I've been trying. The only reason they can give is, "because it's the thing to do", "my mom raised me right" "because it's proper" blah blah blah......

As much as I hate to use Wiki, here's what they got:

Headgear etiquette
In the Western culture derived from Christian tradition, removing one's headgear is a sign of respect, making oneself more open, humble or vulnerable, much like bowing or kneeling. This is as if to say, "I acknowledge that you are more powerful than I am, I make myself vulnerable to show I pose no threat to you and respect you." Men's hats are removed in Church, and not removing them is usually frowned upon. Women, however, are required to wear a hat to cover the head in some churches based on 1 Corinthians 11:5.

In the Jewish tradition, the converse idea equally shows respect for the superior authority of God. Wearing a kippah or yarmulke means the wearer is acknowledging the vast gulf of power, wisdom, and authority that separates God from mankind. It is a sign of humility to wear a yarmulke. There is a common phrase that explains this, saying that "there's always something above you" if you're wearing a yarmulke, helping you remember you're human and God is infinite. A Talmudic quote speaks of a righteous man who would "not walk (six feet) with an uncovered head, the (spirit of God) is always above him". Jews also may wear a fur hat or a black hat with a brim.

In Islamic etiquette, wearing headgear is perfectly permissible while saying prayers at a mosque, see taqiyah (cap) for further information. [2].

In the military, there are specific rules about when and where to wear a hat (also known as a 'cover' in America). Hats are generally worn outdoors only, at sea as well as on land; however, personnel carrying firearms typically also wear their hats indoors. Removing one's hat is also a form of salute. Many schools also have this rule due to the fact that many younger men tend to wear baseball caps and this being in relations to gangs depending on the side in which the hat is worn.

As a guideline, a man should remove his hat to show respect for the dead, when a national anthem is played or in the presence of royalty, in a church or courtroom, and during other solemn occasions, when meeting someone, and indoors while in the presence of a lady (though there is no actual relationship to uncovered heads and any of those places and situations). A woman may continue wearing her hat, unless she is wearing what is considered a unisex hat, such as a baseball cap, when she should remove her hat as well. Women usually do not take off their hats in these situations because they may be carefully pinned to their hair but take off their hats only in their own homes.

Finally, the hat can be raised (briefly removed and replaced, with either hand), or "tipped" (touched or tilted forward) as a greeting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headgear

 

[MichelleVW]

As much as I hate to use Wiki, here's what they got:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headgear

To take off your hat in the "presence of a lady" as a sign of respect is just ridiculous. I know you didn't make the rule/guideline but it's just silly to me and I don't care if someone takes their hat off or not inside.

 

[Uncle Remus]

To take off your hat in the "presence of a lady" as a sign of respect is just ridiculous. I know you didn't make the rule/guideline but it's just silly to me and I don't care if someone takes their hat off or not inside.

Yes, but are you happy you finally got an answer?

 

[MichelleVW]

Yes, but are you happy you finally got an answer?

Maybe I will get some sleep tonight since this burning question has been answered!

 

[Uncle Remus]

Maybe I will get some sleep tonight since this burning question has been answered!

ftr, I don't think your puppy dog should remove his hat! :

 

[ols386]

As much as I hate to use Wiki, here's what they got:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headgear

Hmmm. I never associated removing a hat as if to say that you are acknowledging that another is more powerful than you.

 

[MichelleVW]

ftr, I don't think your puppy dog should remove his hat! :

Lol....He's a She, so it's perfectly acceptable for her to keep her hat on!!

 

[pilesoflaundry]

My son's school requires boys to tuck their shirts in and to wear belts. (Not girls)

It's school policy.

My son's school also (minus the belt). It's so boys don't cause trouble or hide things in their pockets. (with the shirt tucked in, pockets are visible) Yet the girls don't have to. Girls can hide things in their pockets too. I hate the assumption only the boys misbehave. The girls can be just as bad. So my son wears a hoodie most of the time so no one can see his shirt is not tucked in, he's uncomfortable with it tucked in and it looks stupid.