Girls-Only Trip ~ Old planning thread, see first post for new link

[karylrocks]

It feels like its freezing here today. Cold, rainy and windy, and supposed to be like that the rest of the week. It feels like late November, not October! I hope we go back to having fall before the winter really sets in. Good news is that I get to go to Disneyland in December and February to get away from it for a bit! We have also been wanting to take a road trip to Yosemite and maybe we can do that next year too. For those that live around there - when is the best time to go after it has warmed up but while the waterfalls are still going? I am thinking May or June probably.

 

[disney-inspired]

I just finished reading this and it looks like things are getting rough for DLR and will be for us AP holders in the near future.

http://miceage.micechat.com/allutz/al101309a.htm

 

[lulubelle]

It feels like its freezing here today. Cold, rainy and windy, and supposed to be like that the rest of the week. It feels like late November, not October! I hope we go back to having fall before the winter really sets in. Good news is that I get to go to Disneyland in December and February to get away from it for a bit! We have also been wanting to take a road trip to Yosemite and maybe we can do that next year too. For those that live around there - when is the best time to go after it has warmed up but while the waterfalls are still going? I am thinking May or June probably.

I know what you mean about the weather, Carol. It's crazy here, too. Barely in the 60's, windy, stormy. But it is supposed to be 80 on Friday and sunny, hot and 90 on Saturday! I'm like you and very excited about going to Disney in ten days, in December and Feb! It's all about vacations, right? Sorry I can't help you with Yosemite, we usually go to Palm Springs area in the spring. Hope someone else chimes in.

 

[Stacerita]

I just finished reading this and it looks like things are getting rough for DLR and will be for us AP holders in the near future.

http://miceage.micechat.com/allutz/al101309a.htm

Can you elaborate? Can't access that site right now.

 

[disney-inspired]

Can you elaborate? Can't access that site right now.

I'll copy and paste it here.

October has ushered in autumn in Southern California, and with it has come record crowds for Disneyland’s wildly successful HalloweenTime promotion and a raft of headaches for Anaheim planners trying to manage those growing crowds. October also is the start of the new fiscal year for Disney, and that often means executive contracts for bigwigs like former Disneyland President Ed Grier come up for review.
In this update we’ll fill you in on why the huge crowds in recent days are driving Disneyland managers crazy, as well as tell you about several of the rumored changes headed to Anaheim, and the very promising news regarding the new president and why he’s going to be a good change for Anaheim.
Let's splurge with our morning nosh shall we? I'm in the mood for some Starbucks; an ice blended mocha should be a much easier find very soon. Let's get going. - Al


Meet George

We’ll begin by filling you in on why Anaheim Cast Members are surprised and happy that George Kalogridis is returning to Anaheim to fill the vacancy left by Ed Grier.
To Ed’s credit, he did a fine job of helping Anaheim mayor Curt Pringle heal the rift between Disney and the city after a failed attempt in 2007 to build condominiums in the hospitality zoned district pitted the city council against Disney and damaged what had been a historically warm partnership between Disneyland and Anaheim.



But while Ed successfully worked the cocktail party circuit off property, he left most of the day to day operation to his lieutenants and made it clearly obvious he didn’t have much interest in their business of theme parks and hotels. Worse, Ed tried to combat that well-earned reputation for being distant by occasionally showing up in the park only when a TDA photographer was with him to capture the rare event for future issues of employee newsletters. (Note to TDA executives; your employees aren’t stupid and they can spot phony PR a mile away, so it’s best not to put on a show if the feeling isn’t genuine.)
With the Disneyland presidency on a standard three year contract, (that has become known as the Disneyland Curse), Ed’s term was up this fall. There wasn’t going to be a place for Ed at the end of his contract, so he's resigned (um, retired) at age 54 after skyrocketing from obscure lower-level executive accountant to Disneyland Resort President literally overnight back in ’06.
The good news is that Ed has been replaced with George Kalogridis, who is much different because George has a genuine interest in Disney theme park operations. George’s resume includes the badge of honor of clashing famously with former president Cynthia Harriss, when George was brought out from Florida in 2000 to help run Anaheim’s operation as they transitioned to a multi-park resort during the opening of DCA. George, a native Floridian who started his career as a busboy at the Contemporary Resort at Disney World back in 1971, has Disney running through his veins and he often disagreed with Cynthia’s flawed plans and ideas for Anaheim.
After a tumultuous two years working as the Senior Vice President of Operations for Cynthia, George was demoted and sent packing in late 2001 by Cynthia under the guise of structural changes after 9/11. Paul Pressler was still the Chairman of Parks & Resorts back then, and out of all the senior executives of the time, Cynthia had the closest relationship with Paul and always had his ear.
Cynthia and Paul thought it wiser to send this tenured and talented theme park guy named George packing in late 2001, and Cynthia made the infamous decision to replace George with retired Army General T Irby as Anaheim’s top Senior Vice President of Operations. George was actually demoted in title by Paul Pressler to a Vice President, and was sent off to the corporate backwater of Travel Operations for Walt Disney World, effectively in charge of the reservation call centers in a suburban Tampa office park.



It speaks volumes about George’s commitment to Disney that he put up with that demotion in title and prestige, and waited it out for the Paul Pressler era to end and for his solid reputation to land him the plum assignment in Paris in ‘06. When George was sent off to Tampa, the unfortunate direction the Anaheim property took in 2002 and 2003 under the leadership of Paul, Cynthia and T Irby is now legendary and could fill a book, but suffice it to say that if you were blackballed by that group like George Kalogridis was, and lived to tell about it like he has, you’ve now earned a great deal of respect from Anaheim Cast Members.
George will be moving back to OC from his digs with the killer view of the Eiffel Tower that he shared with his partner, where he had been for the last three years working as the Senior Vice President of Operations for Disneyland Paris. Anaheim Cast Members can expect to see George regularly around property, especially during the busy weekends this holiday season, as it is widely accepted that Ed was far too absent from property and Anaheim Cast Members of all stripes are hoping to see their leader with them in the trenches once in awhile. (And leave that photographer back at TDA please.)
George is remembered from 2001 as a Senior Vice President who was always walking the parks during the busiest days, calling managers on the spot when he saw things he either didn’t like, or had questions about. George has his work cut out for him, not just restoring the Disneyland presidency on property, but off property as well.
Ed successfully helped patch up the relationship between Disneyland and the local community, and now George is going to need to shepherd that relationship through some important projects ahead like the big California High Speed Rail station in Anaheim, the plans for an elevated peoplemover system from that new station to Disneyland and the Anaheim Convention Center, and ongoing planning headaches with Caltrans and the city over the need for more parking, better traffic management, and ever more resort expansion. And lucky for George, his new three year contract will also have plenty of glamorous grand openings for him to attend with a Billion dollars worth of new attractions coming to DCA.
Suffice it to say that of all the names that were on the short list to replace Ed Grier, George Kalogridis making the final cut is good news for Anaheim. All that is left for Anaheim leaders to wonder about now is if Ed Grier’s son who was given a desk job in TDA is going to finally be asked to cut his hair, since the younger Grier flaunts a hairstyle that clearly violates the "Disney Look" grooming policies that’s had TDA and park managers grumbling in private.
Adventures in Parking
When George does arrive in Anaheim, he’s lucky that he has a reserved parking spot for his company Cadillac, as parking at Disneyland is devolving into chaos this fall as the parks are packed to the rafters. Since TDA bundled up some new Halloween themed offerings at Disneyland and DCA and branded it as HalloweenTime a few years ago, the promotion has grown in popularity every year. Just five years ago the conventional wisdom was that Knott’s Berry Farm owned Halloween with their Scary Farm offerings, but Disneyland owned Christmas and New Years and Disney wouldn’t be able to crack the Halloween market with locals, nor should they try.
But after they were prodded into trying again by Matt Ouimet in 2006, Disney has now successfully carved an entirely new niche amongst locals looking for a less gory and intense but lavish theme park offering for Halloween. And when the market research in 2008 told TDA that their growing HalloweenTime was in danger of skewing just a bit too young, they gambled in ‘09 and won big by greenlighting the new PG rated Space Mountain Ghost Galaxy and a spooky new fireworks show. And next door at DCA, the very successful Mickey’s Trick or Treat Parties continue to sell out all 6,000 extra-cost tickets each night.
You would think that’s good news, right?
Wrong!
The problem is that ever expanding base of Annual Passholders, who are now at the 850,000 mark and still growing, have thrown a monkey wrench into the resort infrastructure that was designed and built 10 years ago for a different visitor demographic. For instance, during the period of 1998-2000, Disney expanded their parking and intra-property transportation based on mid 1990’s research when Annual Passholders numbered fewer than 100,000 and there were no plans to grow that population much beyond that.
The Mickey & Friends parking structure, the largest in North America, was built to handle 10,000 cars that were then assumed to have an average of nearly 4 passengers per vehicle. But in 2009 the passengers per vehicle average slumps to less than 2 passengers per vehicle when tens of thousands of Annual Passholders descend on the resort, often driving solo or with just one other person, with plans to meet up with friends once they get in the park.



And instead of arriving in the morning, being directed to a specific section and row in the parking lot and then leaving the car there for most of the day, as nearly all Disneyland visitors did from the 1950’s to the 1990’s, Annual Passholders now are driving in alone or with a friend just to spend two or three hours in the park before they head home.
The end result is that the sprawling Disneyland Resort parking operation which seemed so comprehensive as planned almost 15 years ago, is now chronically short of spaces and continually behind the curve when it comes to shuffling cars around into the few remaining empty spots.
This is not news for anyone who has tried to park a car at Disneyland in recent weekends, with Friday’s and Sunday’s being the worst. Parking managers are now forced to play a resortwide game of Automotive Stratego where they purposely close the Mickey & Friends Structure for most of the afternoon, even though there are still thousands of open spaces on multiple empty levels, in order to force afternoon arrivals into the far-flung surface lots around the property and borrowed space at GardenWalk and the Anaheim Convention Center. That allows them to reopen the Mickey & Friends structure in the early evening and have a few thousand spaces for arriving passholders, even though those still aren’t enough and all of their parking options are maxed out by mid evening.
They’ve even begun shutting down Cast Member surface lots in outlying areas to try and free up a few hundred extra spaces for passholders, which creates huge headaches, long lines, and overcrowded shuttles for Cast Members trying to find a parking spot and get to their shift on time. A new surface lot is on the way for the Christmas season, but that will still require the inefficient bus service to get to the Esplanade.



And Disney has recently made arrangements to buy property north of Pumbaa (shown above) and expand their parking footprint to the north of the Pumbaa lot, with a six level parking structure on the way there for early next decade. Originally the Pumbaa lot was going to have an eight level garage built on a smaller footprint, but with the new piece of property added into the mix the garage is now planned to be wider and lower to help with resort area sightlines.
Boo! You've been blocked!
Once you’ve parked though, there’s still no guarantee that Disneyland will be able to let you in for HalloweenTime due to overcrowding inside the park. That happened multiple times this past weekend, with the Disneyland ticket booths suspending ticket sales for hours at a time, and the unusual dictate of not even allowing arriving Premium Annual Passholders into Disneyland. TDA, in a bit of a panic by early October, even had to convince the Burbank corporate office to send out an unheard of update to the company complimentary admission passes all Disney employees receive. When DCA closes at 6:00PM every Friday to get ready for the trick or treat party, (not a wise move on the planners part), the evening crowds are then funneled to Disneyland and the whole property reaches critical mass.
Effective immediately, all Fridays in October, plus Saturday October 31st, have become employee blockout days where the main gate admission pass for employees and their families is no longer valid in Anaheim. The employee blockouts will prevent around 3,000 or 4,000 free admissions on the average Friday.
The numbers on who the other visitors are tell the story. This past weekend for instance, Sunday had a projected attendance of 62,000, of which over 35,000 were Annual Passholders. That type of split between passholders and more traditional tourists and day trippers is fairly common now, but when Disney was planning the new resort expansion in the 1990’s that type of attendance mix was unthinkable. Back then, Disney was building the second park and expanding the resort amenities to attract big spending tourists on multi-day visits, and only Downtown Disney was considered to be a more casual offering for locals spending just a few hours on property.



With the numbers now stacked against the Anaheim resort, it was the one-two punch of this year’s new HalloweenTime offerings that pushed it all over the edge. Space Mountain Ghost Galaxy has been very popular and hit it’s Tween to Young Adult demographic right on the nose, while the new Halloween Screams fireworks are pulling in big crowds of all ages. Primarily because of that, Disneyland has had to unexpectedly extend its weekday operation to 9:00 PM every day for the last two weeks, with all remaining weekdays for the rest of the month already scheduled for closing at 9:00 PM or later. A third nightly Fantasmic! was added this past weekend to help as well. You can expect to see the same madhouse parking strategy, restricted theme park entry, and gridlocked crowds in Disneyland and Downtown Disney for the next three weekends until HalloweenTime mercifully comes to an end on November 1st.
And don’t think TDA isn’t already planning on starting the Halloween festivities earlier in September next year, and getting more blockout dates onto the 2010 employee passes sent this December. And of course, the stats and figures behind this latest HalloweenTime mess are being noted by the executive committee we’ve told you about that has been set up to study Disneyland’s Annual Pass program. You can bet price hikes are in the cards for Christmas, and again in 2010.
Color it Crowded
It’s exactly those huge crowds of Annual Passholders, 850,000 strong, that has Mary Niven, the Vice President of DCA, and her managers running scared as the debut of World of Color gets closer every week. While the complicated installation of this massive and revolutionary new show is currently running several weeks behind schedule, the delays are minor and aren’t yet jeopardizing the planned grand opening for the weekend of April 24th.
But, the new amphitheater viewing area is being built for 9,000 people and DCA managers are realizing it’s going to take them almost a hundred performances before each Annual Passholder can see the show just once. There’s also going to be a few thousand park-hopping tourists in DCA each day, exactly the people that the Billion dollar DCA makeover was really supposed to lure with their fatter wallets. The realization has now sunk in that for at least the first few months, and likely through the rest of 2010, World of Color is going to be a show with demand that will far outstrip its ability to satisfy everyone in sufficient numbers.
What to do about this problem, especially from May to August when the late setting sun won’t allow but one show per night on many evenings? The current plan is to make World of Color the first ticketed nighttime spectacular in Disney theme park history. Using standard Fastpass technology, DCA managers are fine tuning the idea of a new concept called Showpass; a ticket that would be required to get into the viewing amphitheater.



The plan is to re-install Fastpass machines into the old Fastpass distribution area for It’s Tough To Be A Bug. (Believe it or not, the 3-D Bug show and MuppetVision were both opened with Fastpass in 2001, back when DCA was going to be a roaring success.) The Fastpass wiring and data lines are all still there, just the machines and some new signage are required to use the facility in the center of the park for Showpass.
This area would be christened the Showpass Distribution Center, and World of Color Showpasses would be automatically distributed here each day beginning at park opening. Using the barcode on your ticket or Annual Pass, you could get one dated Showpass per person that would allow you entrance that evening into the World of Color viewing amphitheater. Once all of the Showpasses were distributed for the day, if you arrived at the park too late you will be watching World of Color from the sidelines, or the shows backside on the Paradise Pier side of the lagoon.



Even with a valid Showpass in hand, a line of eager Disney fans is expected to form every afternoon, with the current plan of pointing the line down the parade route and hoping there’s still room for the floats to get by. The Showpass won’t assign you to a specific viewing section, it simply guarantees you access to the amphitheater with a first come, first serve process of securing your viewing space, festival seating style. The amphitheater would be open to everyone during the day, with the shade trees and interactive fountain play area encouraging people to hang out. But by early evening the amphitheater would be cleared and readied for the growing line of Showpass ticket holders to be let in well before show time.
On nights where two World of Color shows are planned, particularly in winter when the sun sets early, the Showpass concept will make it easier to force everyone out of the 9,000 person amphitheater after the first show, in order to get the custodial crews in for a quick cleaning and then allow the next long line of waiting Showpass ticket holders into the amphitheater. The Showpass concept has been born out of simple fear, but it should be interesting to see if it works for World of Color, assuming George Kalogridis also approves of the plan and he buys off on it later this month.
Meet Me on Main Street (for a cup of Starbucks)
Waiting around in DCA with your Showpass in hand on chilly evenings may get easier for many folks though if Disney’s Corporate Alliances group has their way.
The Corporate Alliances group cultivates and nurtures the sponsorship of stores, restaurants and attractions inside the parks. They've had a rough time of it in recent years though, as businesses scale back their traditional marketing dollars and the cachet of being associated with Disneyland doesn’t have the same status as it did in the 1960’s and 70’s when seemingly every park location was proudly sponsored by some giant of American commerce and industry. But, Corporate Alliances have recently been working hard on big new sponsorships, (that General Motors deal out in Epcot Center is a real headache for them) and they are trying to seal the deal to get Starbucks to come to Anaheim with sponsored locations inside the parks.



If the plan gets its final approvals, and the Starbucks executives in Seattle can be convinced that Disneyland Cast Members can be properly trained and trusted to run the operation, the Market House on Main Street USA would be reconfigured into an old-fashioned coffee house serving up a basic menu of Starbucks espresso and coffee drinks. A similar 1930’s themed Starbucks coffee house would be included on DCA’s new Buena Vista Street main entrance complex that begins construction this winter, and the coffee served at all park restaurants and hotels would be switched to Starbucks brews under the proposal.
A few Disneyland purists, who often forget the dozens of corporate logos that adorned the park in Walt’s day, may light up the message boards in horror with this news. But the truth is that the complaints about the lack of good coffee at Disneyland from average Southern Californians grow louder every year. The industrial grade Nescafe that Disneyland currently uses just isn’t cutting it anymore, and most Disneyland visitors expect a Starbucks level of service and product.



Market House as seen in Disneyland USA featurette (1956) Nescafe and the Carnation ice cream still served are the last holdouts of the collapse last year of the long-standing Nestle brand sponsorships around the park that also included Stouffers and Friskies. Before Disney switched to Nescafe about 10 years ago, the Market House on Main Street was actually "Hosted by Hills Brothers Coffee" for years after Hills Brothers was moved from their original coffee house location around the corner on the Town Square, when the American Egg Board took over that first location in the 1970’s and turned it into an omelette restaurant. Swift was the original sponsor of the Market House when the park opened.

There was more but this is what I was referring to as being a bit rough.

 

[mommaU4]

I just finished reading this and it looks like things are getting rough for DLR and will be for us AP holders in the near future.

http://miceage.micechat.com/allutz/al101309a.htm

Cristabel, I read that! Sounds scary to me.

Stacie, there were bits and pieces that stood out for me. Here are a few from the link that I wanted to comment on.
First, the parking. My cousin went the other day and said it took her two hours to get into a parking spot!!! They kept sending her from lot to lot. It was nuts. Here's where they touch on that:

The end result is that the sprawling Disneyland Resort parking operation which seemed so comprehensive as planned almost 15 years ago, is now chronically short of spaces and continually behind the curve when it comes to shuffling cars around into the few remaining empty spots.

This is not news for anyone who has tried to park a car at Disneyland in recent weekends, with Friday’s and Sunday’s being the worst. Parking managers are now forced to play a resortwide game of Automotive Stratego where they purposely close the Mickey & Friends Structure for most of the afternoon, even though there are still thousands of open spaces on multiple empty levels, in order to force afternoon arrivals into the far-flung surface lots around the property and borrowed space at GardenWalk and the Anaheim Convention Center. That allows them to reopen the Mickey & Friends structure in the early evening and have a few thousand spaces for arriving passholders, even though those still aren’t enough and all of their parking options are maxed out by mid evening.

They’ve even begun shutting down Cast Member surface lots in outlying areas to try and free up a few hundred extra spaces for passholders, which creates huge headaches, long lines, and overcrowded shuttles for Cast Members trying to find a parking spot and get to their shift on time. A new surface lot is on the way for the Christmas season, but that will still require the inefficient bus service to get to the Esplanade.


Then this shocked me!! I would be so pissed if I was a Premium AP holder, which I was when we first moved to Vegas, and they told me I couldn't get in. And a third Fantasmic??? Wow!

Once you’ve parked though, there’s still no guarantee that Disneyland will be able to let you in for HalloweenTime due to overcrowding inside the park. That happened multiple times this past weekend, with the Disneyland ticket booths suspending ticket sales for hours at a time, and the unusual dictate of not even allowing arriving Premium Annual Passholders into Disneyland. TDA, in a bit of a panic by early October, even had to convince the Burbank corporate office to send out an unheard of update to the company complimentary admission passes all Disney employees receive. When DCA closes at 6:00PM every Friday to get ready for the trick or treat party, (not a wise move on the planners part), the evening crowds are then funneled to Disneyland and the whole property reaches critical mass.


With the numbers now stacked against the Anaheim resort, it was the one-two punch of this year’s new HalloweenTime offerings that pushed it all over the edge. Space Mountain Ghost Galaxy has been very popular and hit it’s Tween to Young Adult demographic right on the nose, while the new Halloween Screams fireworks are pulling in big crowds of all ages. Primarily because of that, Disneyland has had to unexpectedly extend its weekday operation to 9:00 PM every day for the last two weeks, with all remaining weekdays for the rest of the month already scheduled for closing at 9:00 PM or later. A third nightly Fantasmic! was added this past weekend to help as well. You can expect to see the same madhouse parking strategy, restricted theme park entry, and gridlocked crowds in Disneyland and Downtown Disney for the next three weekends until HalloweenTime mercifully comes to an end on November 1st.


And I'm sorry, but this World of Color thing, sounds like a big, fat mess. I love all the changes, but honestly, I'm worried that Disneyland will become so crowded that it just won't be fun. I hate it when it's packed like that. When DL used to get too crowded, we'd go to DCA to hang out. Now there will be no where to go. I'm a bit sad to read all this. Sounds like it's reaching a point where there will be no "slow season" anymore.

It’s exactly those huge crowds of Annual Passholders, 850,000 strong, that has Mary Niven, the Vice President of DCA, and her managers running scared as the debut of World of Color gets closer every week. While the complicated installation of this massive and revolutionary new show is currently running several weeks behind schedule, the delays are minor and aren’t yet jeopardizing the planned grand opening for the weekend of April 24th.

But, the new amphitheater viewing area is being built for 9,000 people and DCA managers are realizing it’s going to take them almost a hundred performances before each Annual Passholder can see the show just once. There’s also going to be a few thousand park-hopping tourists in DCA each day, exactly the people that the Billion dollar DCA makeover was really supposed to lure with their fatter wallets. The realization has now sunk in that for at least the first few months, and likely through the rest of 2010, World of Color is going to be a show with demand that will far outstrip its ability to satisfy everyone in sufficient numbers.

What to do about this problem, especially from May to August when the late setting sun won’t allow but one show per night on many evenings? The current plan is to make World of Color the first ticketed nighttime spectacular in Disney theme park history. Using standard Fastpass technology, DCA managers are fine tuning the idea of a new concept called Showpass; a ticket that would be required to get into the viewing amphitheater.

The plan is to re-install Fastpass machines into the old Fastpass distribution area for It’s Tough To Be A Bug. (Believe it or not, the 3-D Bug show and MuppetVision were both opened with Fastpass in 2001, back when DCA was going to be a roaring success.) The Fastpass wiring and data lines are all still there, just the machines and some new signage are required to use the facility in the center of the park for Showpass.

This area would be christened the Showpass Distribution Center, and World of Color Showpasses would be automatically distributed here each day beginning at park opening. Using the barcode on your ticket or Annual Pass, you could get one dated Showpass per person that would allow you entrance that evening into the World of Color viewing amphitheater. Once all of the Showpasses were distributed for the day, if you arrived at the park too late you will be watching World of Color from the sidelines, or the shows backside on the Paradise Pier side of the lagoon.


Even with a valid Showpass in hand, a line of eager Disney fans is expected to form every afternoon, with the current plan of pointing the line down the parade route and hoping there’s still room for the floats to get by. The Showpass won’t assign you to a specific viewing section, it simply guarantees you access to the amphitheater with a first come, first serve process of securing your viewing space, festival seating style. The amphitheater would be open to everyone during the day, with the shade trees and interactive fountain play area encouraging people to hang out. But by early evening the amphitheater would be cleared and readied for the growing line of Showpass ticket holders to be let in well before show time.

On nights where two World of Color shows are planned, particularly in winter when the sun sets early, the Showpass concept will make it easier to force everyone out of the 9,000 person amphitheater after the first show, in order to get the custodial crews in for a quick cleaning and then allow the next long line of waiting Showpass ticket holders into the amphitheater. The Showpass concept has been born out of simple fear, but it should be interesting to see if it works for World of Color, assuming George Kalogridis also approves of the plan and he buys off on it later this month.




Can you imagine how early people are going to line up for this show??? They are going to line up early in the morning to get the ticket, and then line up hours beforehand to get a good seat inside the theater. Heck, they start waiting for Fantasmic four hours early some days! I like the showpass idea, just think it needs to be fine tuned. I fear it's going to be a mess until they get their act together. Not to bash Disney, I grew up going there and love it, I'm just worried the crowd levels are going to take away from the experience. But that's just me.

 

[mommaU4]

I'll copy and paste it here.

There was more but this is what I was referring to as being a bit rough.

LOL You beat me to it.

What do you think of what they are saying? I do think it's going to be packed. Why have the line for the show run down the parade route and then "hope" there's enough room for the floats to pass?? Is it me, or does that seem nuts?

And then if that's how they do it, it's going to really make certain areas congested. And cut down on the parade viewing if there's already a line of people standing there.

 

[Stacerita]

LOL You beat me to it.

What do you think of what they are saying? I do think it's going to be packed. Why have the line for the show run down the parade route and then "hope" there's enough room for the floats to pass?? Is it me, or does that seem nuts?

And then if that's how they do it, it's going to really make certain areas congested. And cut down on the parade viewing if there's already a line of people standing there.

That just sounds like very poor planning to me.

Wonder what it all really means and what they are going to do about it?

 

[mommaU4]

That just sounds like very poor planning to me.

Wonder what it all really means and what they are going to do about it?

That's what I was thinking. I hope things work out better than they sound in that report. It sounds like a zoo to me, even with the Showpass. All that does is guarantee you a seat, but you know people will be lining up hours beforehand to get a good seat.

In a way it sounds like Disney wants to expand and had all these great, and grand ideas, but not the room to pull it off without it adding more of a huge headache. Which I guess has always been a problem for DL versus WDW. But what the heck do I know? I'm a creature of habit, and it takes me awhile to get used to big changes like this. lol

 

[disney-inspired]

It sounds like it's going to be a madhouse. I'm not raising my hopes that I'll see the WOC show anytime soon. I'll just be riding TSMM over and over while everyone is running to watch the show.

 

[fairykin]

Hey Everybody

I hope you all have a great day!

What i don't get about the new plans... is why build a Cars Land?!!

Just think..they could have expanded upon Toy Story theme and moved those two rides, putting cars rides in their place.

I just don't get a whole land for cars?

Why is there no Beauty and the Beast Ride? The Up Movie begs for a ride.

Who can figure Disney out?

 

[MamaKate]

We have also been wanting to take a road trip to Yosemite and maybe we can do that next year too. For those that live around there - when is the best time to go after it has warmed up but while the waterfalls are still going? I am thinking May or June probably.

Just so you know that it can also be freezing in May. We stayed in Curry Village one year for Mothers Day and it was snowing, freezing and the roads closed. It was beautiful seeing Yosemite in the snow, but at night we literally froze to death. Seriously, one night I had to go to the restroom & it was so cold that it took a good minute before my pee pee came out. It was frozen (I know TMI ). We had to move to a tent cabin with a heater for the rest of the week, because otherwise we couldn't handle the cold. However, at least my kids still remember the trip. Whenever anyone talks about Yosemite, they say "remember when we almost froze to death".

I would say go late May or June just to be safe.

 

[fairykin]

Hey Miss Katie! It's good to see you
Hey, there is something to be said for memories like.. Hey we almost froze to death!

 

[MamaKate]

WOW! The crowds sound scurry . I was looking forward to the new changes, but the I can't handle the crowds.

Hopefully we'll still be able to find a time when it's not that bad. I love going to Disney when the parks are empty. It may be a thing of the past .

Hey Miss Katie! It's good to see you
Hey, there is something to be said for memories like.. Hey we almost froze to death!

Thanks! I know I've been MIA for a couple days, but I'm always thinking of you girls .

That's what I always tell my kids. I tell them that if it wasn't so cold, then the trip would be a blur in their minds, but this way they will remember it forever.

 

[kelmac284]

Morning divas!

Happy Hump day! Wow that is a lot of crazy stuff going on! I agree it just seems to get busier and busier at DL! I know that when we used to go in Oct years ago it was a GREAT time to go. NO crowds at all. Although they also didn't have all the halloween stuff either. Then when they FIRST started it we went in 07 and it still wasn't too bad but I can only IMAGINE what it is going to be like next week. But alas I am used to packed touring. NOT my favorite way to do things and I will admit that the few times I have gone to both DL AND DW when it was less crowded it was SO nice to practically have the parks to ourselves. BUT it seems that just doesn't happen anymore. In fact we went to Universal on Halloween day in 05 and practically were the only ones there. We literally walked on everything. It was awesome! I LOVE it when parks are like that! BUT I know that is not realistic. I hate it when you are in the parks and it is so crowded you feel like you are being smothered to death. I have been when it was so bad they had to open up the back stage area just to get us out of there after a parade. I just hope it doesn't get that way! Sometimes in an attempt to make money they kill it by making things OVER the top!

I guess it will remain to be seen and we will just have to sit back and see how it all plays out!

Anyway it stormed pretty crazy here all day yesterday and we lost a few big limbs off our trees but luckily no damage. Now today it is supposed to rain later but not nearly like yesterday. We have some actual sun for the moment so that is nice but it is still a bit chilly right now. I just plan to get some more chores done round the house and then the girls have church tonight. So not too much going on.

Anywho that's bout it for me. Hope everyone has a great day and ttyl!

 

[mommaU4]

Who can figure Disney out?

Not I!! I cannot believe it's taken this long to get plans for a Little Mermaid ride. Seriously. I remember when Ruben and I were dating we went to the theater to see that movie and even way back then I thought what a cute ride that would make. Back then I was thinking it would make a great addition to Fantasyland since of course there was no DCA.

But nope, all these years and it never happened until now! It's nuts. I think Disney needs to ask the Divas how to run the parks. lol

Whenever anyone talks about Yosemite, they say "remember when we almost froze to death".

Sorry, but that totally cracked me up.

WOW! The crowds sound scurry . I was looking forward to the new changes, but the I can't handle the crowds.

Me either. And that's what I was saying about DCA. When DL got too crowded, we'd hop over to DCA and most of the time, it was pretty empty. It was nice. Now, I fear all these changes are going to be good, but they'll be so good that both parks will end up packed with new visitors, kwim?

Oh well, what can you do.

Then when they FIRST started it we went in 07 and it still wasn't too bad but I can only IMAGINE what it is going to be like next week.

I hope it's not too bad for y'all!!! But if it has to be crowded, I hope the weather is nice. Nothing worse than crowds AND hot weather. That's a double whammy and I won't even go when it's like that.

 

[mommaU4]

"Cares of the past are behind
Nowhere to go but I'll find
Just where the trail will wind
Drifting along with the tumbling tumbleweeds."

Sorry, it's just this thread reminds me of a ghost town!! Where is everyone?
Molly??
ER Amy??
Bridgette??
Courtney??
Kerri??
Christine??
January??
AmySue??
Shirley??
Michelle??
Heather??
Daisy??
Mary Jo??
Bueller????


Some of the ladies never post anymore, or only post once in a blue moon. Is real life taking over????? Say it isn't so!!!!!




Well, I hope y'all are doing okay and whatever is keeping you busy and away from us is because of a good thing and not due to something going wrong in your lives.


Have a good day everyone.

 

[kelmac284]

Well my day just got a little crappier! I got a call from our bank and it seems Lynn decided to deposit (on purpose mind you) 2 envelopes totalling 300 that were EMPTY! Then she withdrew the cash and went and spent it ALL! So she got debits in her account which is now overdrawn plus 2 50 dollar service charges for the 2 deposits. I thought they might prosecute her because it is like writing bad checks but they just cancelled her ATM card and told her she has to make all her deposits in the bank and they will put a permanent hold on all her checks from now on. I swear I don't know what the hell she is thinking. That was outright theft. She is trying to go in the military PLUS she is on probation. I told her she is lucky I don't call her probation officer and that the bank wasn't harder on her. I honestly was surprised they didn't prosecute her! UGH!

 

[VintageDisneyRules]

Is this the monkey bride you all were talking about?
http://www.visionsfantastic.com/forum/gallery/image-1873-next.html

 

[Zoemakes5]

I'm here!! Just jumped on. I'm in the middle of planning WAP trip for Sunday with the girl scouts, doing laundry, watching tv, making my lunch.....well you get the idea~! What a better time to DIS, huh?!