Girls in the men's room.

how mature is mature enough to be able to fight someone off should someone try and kidnap your child outside a restroom door. It happens and I don't think knowing how to properly clean themselves has anything to do with it.

EXACTLY! As a single mom, I totally understand that you gotta do, what you gotta do. It doesn't even faze me when I see moms bring their sons into the woman's restroom! I would be much more upset to see a child standing alone outside a restroom!
 
Trying "going" at DLP! All sorts of weird restroom habits going on there! :rotfl2:

Adult men parading around the ladies room looking for their wives - complete with knocking on stall doors. :scared1:

Older ladies wandering into the gents toilets alone because they can't be bothered to wait in the small queue at the ladies room. :sad2:

DH & I were astonished by the bathroom behaviour of some nationalities - us Brits are a bit more reserved in that manner! :laughing:
 
There has been a lot of these children in the bathroom threads and so I was surprised when I saw the OP say that they thought it was foreigners as there always seems to be a substantil amount of US poster who adviocate this.

Also I see a lot of the 'There are a lot of perverts/paedos about these days' and I am sure that statistics prove that there sre no more than there have ever been just the awareness is much greater.
 
Pedophiles are good at what they do and come prepared with wigs, hair dye, new clothes, scissors and whatever else they need to transform YOUR child into someone that you WILL NOT recognize whenever he/she passes right by you.

That is NOT TRUE, it is a MYTH, it DOES NOT HAPPEN.

Kidnappings do happen, but kidnappings by strangers are rare, and in WDW they are unheard of. Most kidnappings are performed by non-custodial parents. This doesn't mean that paying attention to where your kids are and what they're doing is unnecessary - both at home and in public - it just means that you don't have to be on the lookout for stuff that isn't there and doesn't happen.

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/parental/kidnap.asp

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/codeadam.htm

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa082599.htm

http://www.helpfindmychild.net/missing-child-hoax/store-child-abduction-hoax

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/samskid.html
 

While you're protecting your children, are you also teaching the children how to protect themselves? Are you preparing them for the dangers they will inevitably face in the real world when they finally do go out on their own? Are you building their confidence in their own abilities, or are you building their fears of the unknown into a debilitating paranoia?

Some precautions may be zero-effort, but they are not always zero-consequence. Increased safety is not the only consequence of paranoid hyper-vigilance; it's prudent to evaluate ALL consequences of any action before taking the action.

When I post questions like this, many parents say that I am being ridiculous or stupid, and they either get angry with me for my criticism, or laugh it off as they totally ignore me for being a "fool", or question my own experience with raising children as being inadequate. "You don't understand!" they often say in that angry, condescending manner. "It's not the same world any more! There are sickos everywhere! Everywhere is dangerous! Trust no-one! If it saves even ONE child, isn't it worth ANY effort? MY child's safety is more important than YOUR discomfort! You don't know what you're talking about!"

As I said before, I'm not saying that no parents should ever bring youngsters into opposite-sex public restrooms as a safety precaution. I just think it's important to keep the actual dangers in perspective, and not to over-react to a danger that's serious, but not nearly as prevalent as some people think.





Apples to rutabagas. I'm talking about theme parks, you're talking about water parks. Five incidents in the Orlando water parks this summer - any in a theme park bathroom in that time? Or any part of a theme park?

Water parks are a completely different environment than theme parks, with hundreds of semi-nude strangers mixing in waist-deep (or deeper) water, often with waves or turbulence that make it impossible to see what's happening under the water. The water offers anonymity that even a theme park crowd can't match, and the close proximity and skimpy clothing offer more opportunities for "accidental" contact. And those "accidental" contacts are more likely to be dismissed as real accidents by those in the water.

The lowlife scumbags who have been caught fondling children in the water parks lately were caught because they were stupidly brazen. Fortunately, most of those pervs are also morons, and eventually get caught because they can't think clearly enough to get away with it.

Ah, the voice of reason. :thumbsup2 I wouldn't want my DH to take dd6 into the mens room - I'd rather she wait outside. I don't understand why people think there are more wackos out there in this day and age than there were in the past. I don't understand why people think they need to be more paranoid 1000 miles from home, than in their local Target. As for the PP and the hairdye, I think your children are going to grow up to be fearfull, paranoid adults, not capable of functioning in society. And forget about the men in the mens room when a 10 year old girl shows up - ds11 would be mortified! :scared1:
 
Ah, the voice of reason. :thumbsup2 I wouldn't want my DH to take dd6 into the mens room - I'd rather she wait outside. I don't understand why people think there are more wackos out there in this day and age than there were in the past. I don't understand why people think they need to be more paranoid 1000 miles from home, than in their local Target. As for the PP and the hairdye, I think your children are going to grow up to be fearfull, paranoid adults, not capable of functioning in society. And forget about the men in the mens room when a 10 year old girl shows up - ds11 would be mortified! :scared1:

Let's try not to be insulting. I pointed out to Lillabelle0 that her comment about hair dye and wigs was not correct, but I did not insult her in the process. We don't know her personally, we don't know her kids, and we have no reason to assume that her fear of the non-existent Hair-Dye Kidnapper will lead her to ruin her childrens' lives.

Her fear of the Hair-Dye Kidnapper may be unfounded, but her caution and protectiveness of her children is not.

Keeping things in perspective means that extremes of carelessness are just as dumb as extremes of caution; both should be avoided.
 
What is the worst thing that could happen if a father takes dd into the mens restroom? These girls aren't trying to look at your junk.

What is the worst that could happen if a DD or DS goes into a bathroom by themselves or waits outside by themselves. I don't want to even think about it. Sure it may not happen often in Disney or it USUALLY happens with a known person, but do you want your child to be that first case or the small %?

Do you get into a car accident every time you drive somewhere? No, but you still make sure your child wears a seatbelt.
 
When we went to DLP, we had a little tally going on. In our 3 days there, dh NEVER saw a man cleaning the men's bathrooms, only women...and I NEVER saw a woman cleaning the women's bathrooms, only men. It was almost like they were assigned that way to freak out the Americans.

We also often ran into a situation where one bathroom would be closed, and there would be signs posted for everyone to use the other gender's bathroom. I was shocked by this at first, but got used to it rather quickly. I actually kind of liked being in the bathroom with dh, as I am not fluent in French, and he is. It helped at times when someone spoke to me in the bathroom.

However, for the most part, my dh REFUSES to take our dd to a men's bathroom with him. Not because of modesty (she is now 7), but because he says men's bathrooms are gross, and she needs to be in the cleanest bathroom possible!! From what I saw in Europe, I have to say that I agree with him.

For those of you that say a 5-6 yr old should be able to go to a public bathroom by themselves. It is a nice ideal, but not all kids will be able to do that. There is NO way my dd could do that. She would be totally freaked out by being in a public bathroom by herself. She is not disabled in any way....she is just a timid 7 yr. old. Sometimes, I would really like her to be able to do that, but she is just not there yet.

I do think (for "normal" children), by the time a child hits puberty they should be able to go to a public bathroom by themselves...but, that is just my limited opinion. Now, I do have problems when moms bring boys to the bathroom and don't watch them. I hate having little ones crawling under the walls from stall to stall, or watching what you are doing in the stall.

It is just a hard situation all the way around.
 
While you're protecting your children, are you also teaching the children how to protect themselves? Are you preparing them for the dangers they will inevitably face in the real world when they finally do go out on their own? Are you building their confidence in their own abilities, or are you building their fears of the unknown into a debilitating paranoia?

Oh, great, now because I don't like to leave my kids alone and unsupervised, I'm a bad parent? :laughing:

Yes, I do teach my children to protect themselves.
Yes, I prepare my children for the dangers of the "real" world.
Yes, I build my children's confidence, and no, I'm not instilling any "debilitating paranoia".

This is not some binary questions, where if I don't like to leave my young children unsupervised in a public place, I MUST be some sort of smothering father, paranoid and miserable, one step away from locking my family into a subterranian bunker to ride out the upcomming zombie-pedophile invasion. :scared1:

You seem to have satisfied yourself that there is virtually no danger of someone walking up to a lone child in an otherwise empty restroom and doing something swift and perverted. That's cool, I strongly doubt that will ever happen to my kids either.

But why in the world is it so important to you to convince other people that this never ever happens? Great, it's rare, so are hundreds of other things we take precautions against every day. In this case, it's entirely passive. Not leaving my child alone in a crowd is as natural as breathing. I'm no expert in child development, but I'd be very suprised if a sense of abandonment is positive for a 5yo's mental health.


Some precautions may be zero-effort, but they are not always zero-consequence. Increased safety is not the only consequence of paranoid hyper-vigilance; it's prudent to evaluate ALL consequences of any action before taking the action.

I do consistantly evalute most of my actions, I'll admit, I fail at hyper-evaluating ANY action I take. I'm pretty laid back in that respect. And I don't think I'm paranoid, if you don't believe me, you can just ask the secret world government, they have my entire life's brain waves recorded in their hidden base buried under Altlantis.

When I post questions like this, many parents say that I am being ridiculous or stupid, and they either get angry with me for my criticism, or laugh it off as they totally ignore me for being a "fool", or question my own experience with raising children as being inadequate. "You don't understand!" they often say in that angry, condescending manner. "It's not the same world any more! There are sickos everywhere! Everywhere is dangerous! Trust no-one! If it saves even ONE child, isn't it worth ANY effort? MY child's safety is more important than YOUR discomfort! You don't know what you're talking about!"

As I said before, I'm not saying that no parents should ever bring youngsters into opposite-sex public restrooms as a safety precaution. I just think it's important to keep the actual dangers in perspective, and not to over-react to a danger that's serious, but not nearly as prevalent as some people think.

It might be too late for me to tone myself down a bit, Please take this as friendly. I don't take anything said here personally, I don't really know you, and you really don't know me. Who knows, I might not be such a bad guy after all.

Anyway, you are not being ridiculous, or stupid, or any of those other things. I know that real 'stranger abductions' are not common, and none have ever been publicly reported at the four 'main' Disney parks. That doesn't mean that keeping a close eye on your kids is the wrong thing to do, even if it might be for the wrong reason.


The lowlife scumbags who have been caught fondling children in the water parks lately were caught because they were stupidly brazen. Fortunately, most of those pervs are also morons, and eventually get caught because they can't think clearly enough to get away with it.

This is an entirely different subject, but I would not depend on these people being stupid as any kind of defense. I checked my states sex offender registry a while ago, and a former employee of mine, one of the smarter most polite people I've ever known is on there for offenses involving a minor. It shocked me quite a bit, as did the number of offenders living in my area. I don't think these sorts of perversions are only commited by "morons".
 
So the five links the person posted which all say it is a hoax are false?
 
seriously I can't believe this thread is still going...

I don't even think OP was trying to start a debate.
Just wondering if it's ever happened to others....

But really, to those who feel awkward because a father brings his little girl into the bathroom....

seriously is that any more awkward than peeing next to a line of strange men you don't know?

Wouldn't you be more worried about other guys checking you out than a 5 year old girl?
 




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