Getting sued at Christmas..

Is it possible to want to throttle someone and LMAO at them at the same time!:lmao:

Why of course it is - Duh! I do it with my kids all the time!

You crack me up!
:)

Good thing your arms are too short to reach my throat threw the computer!!!


Your story about your son is heartbreaking. I don't know what I would do in that case. The sitting in a bathtube part was horrible.
 
Good thing your arms are too short to reach my throat threw the computer!!!

I am the compassionate one - remember? I just think about it! No action after! :lovestruc You are safe. ;)
Your story about your son is heartbreaking. I don't know what I would do in that case. The sitting in a bathtube part was horrible.

Our trip last year was just a month post surgery and I am looking forward to this one after a full year of healing.

The fact he sat in a tub and asked for the other boy to call me and was refused - is something I never will get out of my head.

He was in such shock and his body hurt so bad just from the water being on him that he pleaded with the boy to give him a scizzors to remove the skin that was attached at one place but tore of in others. The pull from the water ripples hurt him so bad that he felt it would relieve some pain.

The kid did do that for him. Refused for over an hour to get help but would get him a scizzors.

The reason - He kept telling Baylor that it wasn't too bad and that Baylor could just clean it up and wear pants and no one would know.

When you are in a position to debris your own leg at 12 years old - for over an hour, try and negotiate with a kid why a call to 911 or someone would help - it deserves some compensation.

Hence the fact I hate our insurance company. How are you going to try and tell me that you deserve the money when we pay $600 a month for coverage, more than that kid.

Now them - I would choke.

Not a doubt.
 
Your poor baby. I am impressed that you didn't throttle the one who wouldn't call 911.

Not even going to make a comment on the OP - frankly, they (and their alter egos) aren't worth it.
 

I would have no problem paying if they lower the amount or if they showed me why it cost so much? Or if I had steady work.

I do think everyone should pay the same ~ part of the problem is things cost too much as it is, prices do need to be lowered but just not for some people - everyone. Part of the problem is people like OP not paying their debt and another problem is people who sue medical providers, also I think their (drs.) education costs way too much, perhaps we wouldn't have to pay so much if they didn't have so much debt from their education! If you'll notice I only quoted that part, what I didn't quote I do agree with for the most part.

I totally agree with you DisneyMomma. It's ridiculous how things are such different costs for different people.

I have two forms of medical insurance. When I had my son the primary discounted my OB's fees (for the entire 9 months of prenatal care AND the c-section) down from $4k to $1800. :sad2:
Then secondary got it and had they been primary they would have only discounted it to $2300.


I also called and got an itemized bill of my hospital stay the day I got out. It's not hard to find out what you're being charged for and how much it was.
 
Your poor baby. I am impressed that you didn't throttle the one who wouldn't call 911.
I did not find out all the details until about one week later after the fire marshall and social workers talked with my son and the 3rd boy who was present and asking for help to be called as well. The story told was not matching facts and depth of burn. So I have not seen him yet - and I am in a support group for parents of burn survivors. Both help. Then I cry like it just happened yesterday and I realize how much healing I have yet to do.
Wishing your son all the best :wizard: ~ I hope you all have a great time! :hug:

Thanks for the kind wishes and please know - if I came accross today as an emotional nut job - than it is quite possible I owe some an appology, including you.

Sometimes I lean too far over the crusader line and hang myself.:worship::goodvibes
 
Our trip last year was just a month post surgery and I am looking forward to this one after a full year of healing.

The fact he sat in a tub and asked for the other boy to call me and was refused - is something I never will get out of my head.

He was in such shock and his body hurt so bad just from the water being on him that he pleaded with the boy to give him a scizzors to remove the skin that was attached at one place but tore of in others.
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After just having gone through not being able to take a shower for days due to my burn, I could not imagine being in a bath tub right after. My skin is crawling thinking of the pain your son was in. I'm so sorry.I pray that you do what is right. I can tell you have a tough decision on your hands. Enjoy your trip!
 
I agree again with everything you wrote (including what I ommited from the quote.) I don't agree with her choice. I wasn't trying to do an apples to apples comparrison - I was just trying to give food for thought for those who believe they are superior to others because there is always someone else who can one up you when you think you have your budget and your life on paper all figured out.

There is always something unforseen/or ignored that make you wish you had made different choices later on. Judging someone elses mistakes isn't our place here. We are not here to be judge jury and executioner.

It is a budget board. That is it. I thought we are supposed to help people out of cruddy situations they are in - self imposed or not.

If I am wrong - than I do not belong on this thread.

In a way I agree with you. I don't think it's my place to judge someone if they are doing something that I consider foolish. If years from now my husband and I were unemployed and unable to pay our mortgage, I might regret traveling now instead of paying more toward our house each month. Someone else might think our choice is foolish. So I don't think it's my business if I think someone else is foolish with their own money. But if someone posts about trying to get out of their debt, as in the case of the OP who said he (she?) thought the hospital would write the debt off, I think that's different. I think that sort of thing is wrong, not just foolish, and I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for someone to point that out. No one is perfect and I agree that the majority of us make decisions that we could later come to regret. I don't really think there is any purpose to be served in lecturing someone about that. But in a case when someone is currently doing something irresponsible or wrong, I think it can be good when someone presents another viewpoint about it. It's not likely to change anyone's mind, but maybe it will get them thinking, at least.

(And I think I remember reading posts about your son before - the whole story is so horrific! I can certainly see why you'd still be emotional about it. I hope you all have a wonderful trip.)

My mother and sister use the same screen name sorry everyone here is so quick to judge I have not been to disney since 2006 can't afford it sorry. All I asked for was an opinon and I got alot of different ones. It amazes me how many people jump to cunclusions. My family is not very computer savy so when they have a question about Disney I am the one they ask because I enjoyed getting on here reading your stories, ideas, and experiences. I see now that I got blasted without anyone even asking. I can't put my life story on here but good grief people don't take your negative feelings out on me. Get over because I am over this I just talked to the hospital it was a huge billing error and I just paid them the correct amount that it was supposed to be. Thanks to the few nice people who told me to go look at the bill with somebody.

Merry Christmas

That's amazing, OP. Your hospital must have great people working there - most billing errors I've ever had to deal with (especially medical ones) have taken much longer than that to work out. And the one time a bill of mine was mistakenly sent to collections, it took months to get it all figured out and to get it off my record, even though I had actually already paid it. I've never heard of anyone getting something like this worked out this quickly before. You should consider yourself very lucky!

I don't get why people share screen names. It always seems to cause problems. I've never seen anyone say they share a name unless a thread has gone the way this one has. :confused3 Maybe it would be better for everyone to have their own names - it seems like it would save people quite a bit of conflict and confusion!
 
Thanks and I will try not hijacking this thread - but we have spoken to atorneys and we are in a no win situation.

In MN - the courts will not settle without going before a judge to ensure the child is protected if the injured party is under 18. Awesome and protects the child from parents being ignorant to what a child is elligible for and settling on something not in the best interest of the child. It also makes sure the money is put in trusts etc.

So legally the homeowners insurance would be forced to provide an attorney to represent Baylor. The attorney would be paid for by them. It is of no cost to us. Yet it is an attorney on their dole - and you have to assume/pray that they will do the best for your child.

Option 2 would be to hire out an attorney and hope it is worth the 30% they would get of whatever Baylor is awarded.

The $300,000 is gone. There is no way the settlement will be for less than that. The issue is how much will the courts award to my insurance company who wants the whole amount and how much will go to Baylor.

Since there is no way the homeowners insurance will pay out less than the full amount, do I trust that "Their" attorney will do the best by my son? Do I risk up to $90,000 of Baylor's money in hopes that a hired attorney will do a better job?

No judge is going to be happy that a health insurance company is trying to screw over a kid who laid in a bathtub for over an hour after being burned while the homeowners son played video games and refused to call for help.

In the end it is up to a judge to decide. Do I go with faith that the judge will be more fair to Baylor than an insurance company and risk not hiring our own attorney?

Do I spend money that is not mine but my sons, with the thought we have to fight for anything he will get.

You know that our Health Insurance is going to have an attorney there - but they can only lay out their side that they should have been the secondary insurer. It will be up to the judge on who gets what and we have pictures documenting every step of the burn and surgeries. How much weight he lost, the teasing he gets, the stares and the fact his life will never be the same. How much weight will that hold?

I can't tell you how much I lie awake and just agonize over this. It is not my money - it is Baylor's and that makes it harder.

If in the end we settle - and our Health Insurance gets less than what they want - they will be forced to pay out his bills. They already are not happy and everything that has happened to Baylor since - they wait and dink around paying incase it is a result from his burn.

He had to go to an eye doc in April for removing dirt from his eye. They refused to pay until the doc sent a letter saying it had nothing to do with his burn.

Okay - I need to go pack. Not ready to leave in 2 days at all.

Why in the world are you not suing them for more than their homeowners covers? Am I missing something? Just because that is what they chose as their limit when choosing their policy does not mean it is the end of their responsibility. If their policy does not cover it then they would be responsible.

Hope your son heals with out further medical complications.

Denise in MI
 
Well to make a long story short I had a bill at the hospital no insurance and I guess I just figured they would write it off. Not so I got a summons to be in court Jan 21. I called and asked them to verify the charges as I didn't sign anything when I was there and of course they said fax us a copy of your drivers license to verify signature.. Uh No way but any advice would be great they are charging me aprox $5000.00 for a visit to bandage a finger (no stitches $500 aprox) and the other is for a kidney stone they pumped me full of meds did some x-rays and sent me on my way $4500.00 for that one yes I know I should have health insurance but I have not had steady employment for 3 years, and I have some money coming in at the end of January if I can get them to settle for a lower amount. Any help would be great. Please don't blast me I already feel bad enough No I am not going to file bankruptcy on $5k I do not want a judgement on my credit report although it would be paid off in a few short months if they don't settle with me first.


Thanks And Merry Christmas!

I haven't read all 8 pages of responses, so forgive me if I repeat.

OK, for starters, there's no way anyone will write off any service provided. If you received services, you can expect to pay for them.

You say you have money coming in in January. Go in tomorrow and talk to someone. Ask, don't demand, if there's a way they can reduce the charges snice you don't have insurance. Then offer a payment plan with a large balloon payment in January and smaller monthly payments from that point on.

Yes, hospital costs are out of control. I've had 5 surgeries in the last year and a half. But you received the services so you owe the payment. Go in tomorrow and find a way to pay it off reasonably.

And Merry Christmas, and a happy, HEALTHY new year to you!
 
OK, for starters, there's no way anyone will write off any service provided. If you received services, you can expect to pay for them.

FWIW, providers do indeed write off payment.

When my mom died, stepdad got a couple bills for services in the last month or so. He wrote them quite clearly, listing the symptoms my mom was experiencing and when she told them about the symptoms, and what they did about it (laugh, say it was b/c of the chemo, shrug their shoulders), and what it ended up being. (little note...if you haven't experienced nausea with 3 rounds of chemo, then suddenly have it AFTER chemo is done, if you have a metallic taste in your mouth, and you are needing more blood transfusions....you most likely have a bleeding ulcer, and you NEED the MDs to STOP the blood thinner IMMEDIATELY) Their lack of ability to put symptoms together (as I did in approx 2 seconds after being told of the symptoms, alas this was after she died) caused my mom's death.

Once he sent that letter, they never wrote him again, or charged him. Bills erased.

In a less dramatic story, just a few months ago someone mentioned that they called to find out what they owed for some sort of scan, and the billing person was SO impressed they had called that she just wrote it off! I remember that b/c I was in the process of calling two MRI places to get a bill from them (I got the EOB electronically about 2 days after they submitted it...it took well over a month to get a bill from the places) and no one wrote our bill off! :rotfl:

I don't know why hospitals don't just charge a fair price for insured and self pay alike. Personally, I resent having to stop by the hospital and beg to be charged the same amount everyone else gets to pay just because I'm unable to get insurance. It's demeaning.

In case you really wonder... Insurance is all a game. Practitioners are told the percentage of the amount allowed. So they figure out what they absolutely have to have, and set the total charged so that the percentage of the amount allowed will equal what they need.

For instance, most chiropractors feel that $30 per visit is a good amount. When I was in practice I hated the insurance game. It was just me int he office with no special equipment, and most people had a copay of around that amount, so that's what I charged. That was before 2000...strangely, the reimbursement from insurance companies is STILL the same. Actually less; we have Aetna, and our PPO just reduced it to where our chiro (I am retired, and I never much liked taking care of family anyway, so hubby and son see her and she charges insurance for them) gets $23 based on what they were charging.

So now they have raised their charges, so they can come out at $30 per visit. It's a math thing.

Then we get into laws that say you have to charge everyone the same, though many states do allow you to discount for anyone you want, it just canNOT be based on who is insured or not. So while they CAN discount if they wish to, they can't by law have a list for those who are insured vs those who aren't, because then the insurance companies feel they are being unfairly charged.

And so you have to go in and ask for a discount if you can't pay the full amount, so they can decide if you are the lucky recipient of a discount, which they can't automatically give you just b/c you aren't insured.


Dizneydawn, I agree with a lot of what you said. However, not only did the OP come on here asking for advice, but she also came with an attitude that somehow the hospital "owed" it to her to reduce the fees, cough up the paper work, or even write off the entire bill.

...that got her in this situation, and if there's any chance of resolving the issue and saving her credit, she better do something NOW.

Well see I didn't get that feeling at all. Because of the hope that kept springing eternal in my head when we'd have a long period between letters, I felt that the OP *had thought* that they had written it off. Not that they would when s/he got the service, but that they had already done it.

And coming here to put it out there for us to see and comment on...that IS trying to figure out what they can do.

Taking the OP at face value, if s/he called and got it worked out, then the OP got something from the discussion. Got it worked out.

Even if it's all made up, or if the resolution was made up to get people off his/her back, it's probably let OTHERS know of what to do, and what not to do.


I will say that hopsitals are vastly different from one to the next. The bad one with the bad MDs in it, their awfulness went to their billing department. They were very difficult to work with; they said they wouldn't accept payments, but they did, while we continued with them. While I can't say it was their "fault" that we stopped paying them, they made it VERY unpleasant for us.

But in mid and late '07 when DS had two ER visits to the *other* hospital here in town, we were happy to pay those bills, because THAT hospital was absolutely BEYOND pleasant to work with! Their staff was competent and nice (and I can say that even though I know full well they were scoping us out each time to see if we were abusers...first time was a chest burn from hot water while DS helped make dinner, and second visit was a fall at Target where they had to make sure we weren't letting DS stand in the shopping cart (he wasn't, he was standing on the ground)), and the billing people were outsourced and lovely. We owed something like 3 times more for those bills than we did for the other thing, but it was nearly a joy to pay them. I almost sent them xmas cards! I should, actually, they'd get a kick out of it. :)

I felt *angry* at the billing people in the first hospital, and when they sent us to collections SO fast, and when the collections people were so nasty...it didn't make me want to pay, even though I knew we needed to. The second place was so pleasant I was wracked with guilt if I called a day late! And then they were so nice and never charged a late fee, and worked with me when I needed to lower payments for a few months, that I enjoyed calling them.

Vastly different.


Anyway, hopefully all this talk will help others, lurkers perhaps.
 
I should say that I don't defend our not paying the big medical thing for so long. But I can explain it. It was all very emotional, and every time we had to call it brought it all up and caused bouts of sobbing each time. It was just all so hard and confusing, and their rudeness didn't help the situation. They are so used to people lying, and liars all say the same thing (we didn't get the bill, we don't know who this is, we don't know why they are charging us, we are broke) that we were telling the truth about...

And it took us quite awhile to put on our grownup hats (or big girl panties, LOL) and just DEAL with it. Yet still they tried to argue. :headache:


I wish we hadn't been so emotional about it. I wish I could have behaved like my lawyer SIL from the beginning. And that little lesson has helped greatly with other things; even if the end result is the same, to shelter your heart and mind by putting on a lawyer voice (again, not saying to actually pretend you're a lawyer!) and keeping a buffer between your emotions and them makes for a more pleasant day after you're off the phone!

And the end result of having it all paid really does feel good.:goodvibes
 
I just don't get why people go to the ER for non emergent problems and then are shocked at the bills.

I work in an ER. I pay for insurance and still avoid the ER like the plague. Why in the WORLD would anyone go to the ER for a cut finger that didn't need stiches?

For one reason. You didn't plan on paying the bill and you'd have to pay prior to leaving a doctors office or Urgent Care center.

I'm sorry that you don't get much sympathy from me. But, I work all the time to pay my own bills, insurance and taxes so that I can have my wealth "redistributed" for me to people who make bad decisons.

This year, my guess is that I'll pay several thousand in taxes ( on top of the money already taken from my check- I've been told I work *too much* overtime and that my one daughter isn't *enough*of a tax write off - by my accountant ) hundreds per month for insurance AND my DH who was sent to the ER after contacting his primary doctor and being sent to the hospital is paying off a several hundred dollar bill AFTER insurance. All for what you'd assumed you'd get for free.
 
This is like saying ANY bill I have received from the hospital I should just pay because I knew I went there and I knew I received services. I know for a fact that I have had to chase down paperwork from the hospital. There were mistakes. I did not receive tylenol though they charged me 7 days worth at 15 dollars a pill. There were a few things on the itemized bill that I did not receive that we had to clear up. Evidently because the dr said to do it, even though I was not given it it was charged to me.

Mistakes happen.

I chose to respond here because you had an excellent post. I received a bill last week for my youngest from her surgery in early August. The bill was for $4.66 and while it is not a lot it is the principle of the fact that I have 2 insurances on my children and both cover the medical (not dental or vision) bills 100% after deductibles. I called the place today and they said they can just write off bills under $5. While that is great, the fact that I ever received a bill is what pissed me off. See, one of my insurance policies is CHAMPVA which is a government policy for Veterans rated at 100% disabled. CHAMPVA has an allowable amount and it even says on teh EOB that this was accepted as full payment due to their agreement.

So yes, the bill was received in error because someone in billing messed up. I would not just go by the word or a "you owe us ..." statement without an itemized bill.

OP, good luck with it.
 
I work for a hospital as a nurse. I thankfully have health coverage thru them, however due to tough times and more and more people feeling they don't have to pay bills, they have cut back on our coverage and now I have to pay $450 a month for anti-seziure meds, that is my out of pocket cost. I will be doing overtime and what ever else I can ot pay for this med. Never once did I think....eh, I just won't pay it! They'll write it off!

I understand that these times when a lot of people are out of work and bills are mounting, there are more and more people who can't afford insurance or have none leaving them in a lotta trouble when a medical crisis happens. But PLEASE understand that you are not the only one 'not paying'. A lot of people are not paying for services rendered which leaves the hospital holding the bag. Yes there are some hospitals who make a profit, but there are many others that are happy to break even each year. And in the end, it's the employees that suffer.

I was just about to make this point!!! I also am a hospital RN. We serve a large Medicare/Medicaid population, and a fair amount of our patients are self-pay, which frequently means no-pay. In the last year we have seen wage freezes, health insurance premium increases, and now we are faced with reductions in our paid time off. Why? We aren't making enough money. The seven dollar Tylenol charges include the Pharmacist who processed the order, the nurse who administered the pill, the computer equipment required to document it, the person who registered you and obtained your consent for treatment, and on and on. There are consequences to people not paying for the care they recieve, and it's not a matter of someone "writing it off".
 
I did go to an ER once for a non-emergency problem but it was Thanksgiving Day and we were in the Ozarks and the problem was driving me insane. Insurance covered it except for a small copay though.

I see plenty of credit reports with slews of medical bills on them. They are all in collections and judgments of course when they hit the reports. People say all kinds of things like they didn't know about them or thought that insurance would pay it all or like the OP that it would be completely written off. They usually aren't, particularly if you never contact the medical facility to make arrangements.
 
My mother and sister use the same screen name sorry

NEVER a good idea. Even if it means not being able to PM right away, or not having access to every single feature of the boards up front, each person should really, really have their own screen name.
 
OK, for starters, there's no way anyone will write off any service provided. If you received services, you can expect to pay for them.
I am not defending the OP at all.

But I refused to pay the fees for a surgeon who cut an artery in my neck and sent me back to my room drenched in blood. It was Easter Sunday, and he kept telling the nurses to put a sandbag on it. This one nurse literally held her hand to stop the bleeding for hours.

The doctor finally quit answering his pages so the hospital was able to contact another doctor who came in and did emergency surgery in my room.

I unconditionally refused to pay the surgeon who almost killed me.
 


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