Get ready to flame me...

I just wanted to say that as one of those who has been a hostess and who has at times been late in getting them back to people ( always because of life circumstances, or flakers, or people being late, but never because of personal issues with anyone ) I would like to opologise in public to anyone I may have offended . It was never my intention to do that. That is just not in my character. I did reconize that swaps were taking over my life ( especially while going through several deaths among family and friends ). On one occasion I had 3 deaths within a two month period ( while hosting a swap ). It knocked me off of my feet at the time , and made it almost impossible to function for a while. I tried to relay this to my swappers, and tried to check in as much as possible with updates. The last swap I held there were several issues with my local post office. I also do not drive, so I was at the mercy of my hubby or daughters schedules. I realize now that I had become overwhelmed with swaps and have since taken a step back from them, because I am one of those people who doesn't like to dissapoint people. My life has become more hectic since when I first began swapping here a few years ago. I love everything I have ever recieved and a lot of them have become parts of my albums that I will always treasure. But I reconize that for me swapping may not be the best thing for now.

What I have learned about being a hostess :

1) I am too soft and want to give everyone the chance to turn in their items ( even if it is weeks late ). As a matter of fact I assume that most flakers must have had something really serious to have happened to them for me to not have heard back from them.

2) Postage stamps worked the best for me ( I figured this out after doing a few swaps ). My post office has become a not very friendly place to visit, so my husband brought me a mailbox big enough to hold swap packages. And surprise, surprise, my mailman will actually pick them up at home for me ! But people do not always read that in my final instructions, so you have to be flexible when you recieve a check or cash.

3) As much as I loved being a hostess, life is to short to get caught up in the drama. I would rather maintain my friendship with the people here then jeopardize that by dissapointing them.

4) There is not a better group of ladies around then those on this board.

5) If you keep the lines of communication open most people are willing to work with you.

6) If you mess up, fess up and move on. And try not to repeat the same mistake over and over.

What I have learned about being a swapper :

1) Do the best you can ( knowone here is looking for perfection, but at least follow the guidelines). We all have learned new techniques from each other.

2) Communicate with your hostess. If you are going to be late let her know so that as a group they can decide if they are willing to wait. If you are going to flake out, at least step up to the plate and admit it, so that the hostess can make timely decisions. ( you don't have to tell the whole board, but at least be big enough to own up to the hostess ).

* side note as a hostess : Not hearing from someone, always freaked me out, because I was worried something had happened to that person. I now have on-line firends that have my address ( and my family has there's ) so that if something happened to them someone would have a way to contact you all. I know its a stretch that this is the case with most flakers, but now you see another reason I've backed away. I'm just too soft.

3) If you know you have a busy month and can barely see straight, maybe now is not the time to swap.

4) There is not a better group of ladies around then those on this board.

5) Early is always better then late, once you have been given the ok from the hostess. Start working on those swap items. Whether its 7 or 24.

6) Always write your name on your items. Its nice to know who sent what.

I know this was very long, but I wanted to publicly state that I am one of those who has messed up, and I didn't just want to privately say I am sorry. Maybe we all need a break from swapping. Or maybe we just need to determine what works best for us and stick with it. Sometimes saying no and coming back later is a good thing. But let's not take a break from each other. I state again....life is just to short.

Cyndi princess:
 
I am hosting 3 Circle Journals - and I thought...
Okay, this is easier then the swaps - everyone understands they have to mail ontime....and update the database with what they have done.
That is REALLY the only committment you make.

Out of the 3, one had to 'ask' a person to leave after luckily getting the book back and a second one has a person who has TWO Cjs of other people and is not responding to emails or pm.... I guess I will have to call when I am off on Friday....:confused3
The third has several 'incommunicato' members...not a word although they actively post on this site and others (we need an icon with a smilie guy shouting himself :cold: )

... as for timeliness, several people have posted when they are going to be late with a definite mailing date (me, included!) but others totally ignore the deadlines without comment...thus leaving the poeple waiting for the CJs wondering - will it come, when will it come and will I be around to get it????
I have decided to make an effort if I know I will NOT be able to mail becasue of logistics, I will finish AHEAD of the deadline and mail out - say the Saturday before the due date rather then after....

so, yes, this is an all around problem as sweet M stated....and maybe holding off until people are truely ready to committ is a good thing.

Happy Thanksgiving :wave2:
 
Honeybehr1
Just a side note, one thing that has been fab about this board, we love newbies! I know with so many of the swaps I have been in or read we don't care if this is your first swap. You do you best. The goal for me is to have fun with it, see other peoples work and hopefully get some great items I can use. So if this mess gets straightened out think about joining...it's fun!

Cyndi! Well said and well put! I know you had a few rough months there but you kept everyone well informed. Sure it was stressful for you and for the swappers but at least you did communicate.

I hosted one swap...UGH! Was it hard. I ended up sending one set to the wrong person. (One of those double swaps) And everyone was so great about it and the person who got the extra just sent it on. So really and truly this is a GREAT! Group of people to swap with. So hopefully it will work itself out!
 

Cyndi, well said. I know it can be a headache to have the job of hosting a swap. I have never minded waiting a week or so for family emergencies, or whatever life has thrown us. I've even "angeled" for someone on a swap in order for it to get finished. I've even tried to do so since that time, and provided I have the time in the future, would probably volunteer again. That is in my nature to be supportive of those who need help here.

What I'm upset about right now is the either misinformation or non-information about what is going on with the swap(s). Maybe it's just really wrong of me to even be upset in the first place, but I would really like to know what is going on with one of them specifically.

As far as not joining a swap for fear of making something not "up to par" with the rest of the group, I felt the same way once. I know my first items weren't like everyone else's, but you know, I think we get a good mix of things back from the swaps. As I was once told by a sage member of this board, we all scrap at different levels, and no one expects anything other than what you are capable of doing. I had to just jump in and give it a try, and I have to say that the swaps have really helped me with my scrapping. I love getting to see someone else's take on how to do something, and it has really inspired me to try different things. I also think having the deadline makes me work hard to get finished in time (I'm a procrastinator at times too!).

I wish we could keep the rounds of swaps going here, but I just know right now, my feelings about all of it has changed. And that's not a good thing.
 
we all know I have been a loser about these lately....
sorry

BUT that said -
we cannot make a mass rule that there will not be any swaps...
if someone wants to start one they can -
but we can make the personal choice not to join any more swaps...

Cyndi that was all very well said and I agree completely....

And I also want to take this opportunity to apologize to those in the three swaps I joined... I should not have joined them... I do not know why I thought that with the kids back in school I would have more time... They are all done and mailed (although one went the long way :rolleyes: ) and I personally will not be making the choice to join any more swaps for a while...

As for the CIRCLE JOURNALS - these were a ONE YEAR commitment... being late once in a while is completely understandable... the key in communication and that is why the yahoo boards were set up for them...
If someone HAS THE NEED to drop out I am sure the rest of us would completely understand if we are given the respect of notification and returning of current journal in posession... then yours would be returned to you.
I am digusted at the thought of a fellow scrapper and diser from here would hold someone elses CJ and never return it -
I worry when I have joined them on 2peas of this happening - but I NEVER thought it could happen here... lesson learned I quess....
 
As I've said before, I'm not trying to stop all the swaps. I hope all of you understand my intentions with this thread. Swap away all you want, I just know that for me personally, it's not working. I love to be part of the swaps, and there's nothing more exciting than Day One of signups for a new swap (unless it's a new Ding! fare, of course!--I drop anything for that! ;) )

I truly wish I didn't feel this way, but I do. I agree, we don't need a list of flakers on this board. That would totally take away the welcoming, friendly nature of it, and that is what brought me here in the first place.
 
I've been lurking considering joining a swap (once I understand what is being asked for! :rotfl2: ) but like others I worry about letting the side down.

I do not know why I thought that with the kids back in school I would have more time

I'm with you on that! Two years ago I reduced my days at work from 4 to 2 per week, the idea being I could spend more time with my younger son before he went to school full time (Nursery is only 1/2 a day here), and amybe finish that novel I'd been writing :rotfl: or get on with writing a cookbook :rotfl2:

He's been at school full time for over a year now, and neither writing project has been touched! You can guess from my count what a lot of my time has been spent doing :guilty: :blush:

I'd like to do a CJ once I've had some practice, but I agree the onus is on those joining to only sign up for what they can do - if in doubt then leave it, there'll be another one along later :goodvibes
 
Maxine. I think we all getting what you said. And if you can't come and vent here with us. Then we are not who I thought we were. We may not all agree all the time. But we should all be able to state how we feel. I think it took a lot of guts for you to say what so many others are probably saying in private. And I so understand about the need to take a break. And I don't think anyone is trying to stop swaps completely. I think just as with the change of boards thing, people need to be able to express themselves and after the dust dies down we all come out as friends. That has been the one thing I love about the ladies here. We know how to make up really well.

Cyndi princess:

sweet maxine said:
As I've said before, I'm not trying to stop all the swaps. I hope all of you understand my intentions with this thread. Swap away all you want, I just know that for me personally, it's not working. I love to be part of the swaps, and there's nothing more exciting than Day One of signups for a new swap (unless it's a new Ding! fare, of course!--I drop anything for that! ;) )

I truly wish I didn't feel this way, but I do. I agree, we don't need a list of flakers on this board. That would totally take away the welcoming, friendly nature of it, and that is what brought me here in the first place.
 
As someone who is a) a newbie (to both the board and scrapping) and b) hopefully participating in her first swap, I would be sad to see it go. I think individuals need to be aware of what's going on in their life before agreeing to join a swap or CJ. Yes, things happen, but communication is key.

to the OP, I don't think you should be flammed by this at all ... this has started, in my opinion a very good discussion.
 
Cyndi, that's so sweet, and thanks for being understanding about my need to vent. Maybe I'm having one of those "hormonal" days, but I just felt the need to get it out into the open.
 
With all the swaps I have been in, very few major problems have come up. Once, my return package to me was lost in the mail. Cyndi was gracious enough to ask all the ladies if they could make one more set and mail with the next park swap. It was very generous of everyone. The other problem is the character swap. It is over a month late with several discrepencies (sp?) in the hostess's post and none in the past week. She has read my pm's but has not responded.


Everything else is minor in my opinion. As a substitiute teacher I never know when I am going to work and if I can get to the PO. I learned early in swaps that I needed to be done early so I had the time to get to the PO. Several swaps I didn't pay attention to the correct due date - said 25th , thought end of month. My fault because I didn't write it down. Now I print the final details and post them in my scrap room.

Patty - I think most of us thought you sending your swap items to the wrong hostess was more funny than anything. It didn't bother me and I know you will have it all taken care of (or else I'm holding your CJ hostage when I get it :) ) Crap like that happens and we all live with it. But you were big enough to admit it publicly (not just to me) and let us all know what was being done to right the situation. Thanks.


I don't want to see swaps end or a flaker list. But mabye we need to be tougher on those that are late. Not sure there is a great answer here.
 
Patty T, I think the whole idea about you sending your swap things to the wrong swap provided some comic relief around here. I also know about the CJ issue, and I'm disgusted too. I think that's part of what has me upset about the whole thing, CJ, swaps, and all.


I'll leave it alone, as I've probably said more than I need to at this point.
 
I haven't participated in many swaps yet but I have learned that I love them. I want to enter so many of them but many are filled up by the time I can sign on so I don't get to enter. Maybe that is a good thing - I was so excited about them at first that I would have probably signed up for to many at once. Now that I have done 3, I realize how much work is involved and I won't participate in more than 2 that have overlapping dates. Just a rule I set for myself.

I hope the swaps do continue since I have so much fun doing them.
I can definitely understand the concern/worry/frustration for those waiting for return swap packages. I can also understand the problems experienced by the hosts.

One of the things I like most about this board is that people seem to be able to agree to disagree and express their opinions/feelings/ideas without fear of being banished from the kingdom. The people I have corresponded with from this board have been very nice. So, SweetMaxine, I don't think you need that flame suit. I think it is great that you feel comfortable enough with the people on this board to state your feelings and ask for other opinions.

just my 2 cents worth.
Sandy
 
Sweetmaxine - I just wanted you to know that I wasn't trying to flame you at all in my earlier post. I completely understand your (and everyone else's) frustration. I was just unsure what I should do and a little emotional, probably still hormonal from pregnancy and Dd's birth. So no flames from me at all.

I actually think this is a really great thread. I think it will make us better swappers and hostesses. It made me realize that I should only do 4 groups b/c I'd probably be overwelmed with more than that. I also realized that I might have to be a bit tough about the due date, no too much b/c I realize that things do come up. But I don't want to end up waiting for months to send everything out.

So thank you for bringing this up. And hopefully, you will all get some answers about your character swap!
 
faireygod mother said:
I am an outsider who has been lurking and conteplating these swaps. I am doing a CJ and declined another because I was afraid I would not be able to meet the commitment. I am ashamed for mailing mine 4 days late because the post office is not open when I get off work (I did let everyone know). I will do my best (now that I see how it impacts others) to mail early.

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Dee, since I'm the mailee for your CJ, I have no problem with you mailing it on your first available PO time. It only takes 1 day to get it to me, so no worries, mate! :goodvibes And you always kept us informed.

As others have stated, I think the real problem here is COMMUNICATION. Stress levels can be kept down by just communicating when there is a slowdown or disruption on the sender side of this community activity.
 
I just wanted to say that I'm a newbie and have already participated in a couple of swaps and I LOVE it! I haven't had a negative experience yet. I haven't hosted one, though. I hope they don't go away. :earboy2:
 
I'm chiming in too... absolutely NO flames for anyone who has posted to this thread because you're doing what you're supposed to do... communicate! You're letting everyone know what's going on, that you're still out there.

It's soooo tempting to join swaps, especially lately where there are so many. But I know myself, and I'm a procrastinater, and if I join too many I'll be doing it all on the last day and it won't be fun. So I'm limiting myself to one swap at a time, plus the CJ I'm in.
 
WOW! I just finished reading through this thread. I am sorry for many of you who are waiting for swap items.

I used to do a lot of pin trading - mostly with folks on the DIS. I know it is difficult when someone doesn't live up to their end of the "bargain." Some of us kept an unofficial "do not trade" list among ourselves. Personally my pin trades worked well.

As for swaps ... I've been "burned," too. In the last three month Secret Swap (I think two years ago), the person I sent packages to never sent a thank you gift & even claimed she never received all the packages although she wrote about the packages on the board & I had the USPS delivery confirmations.

Earlier this year I "won" a monthly scrap challenge here & ran the next month's challenge. I sent a gift to the winner, but I never received a package. I asked on the board about sending gifts (thinking the person would get the "hint") & still no word from the person who should have sent something to me.

The only thing I've participated in lately was the 37 cent swap.
 
I am currently hosting two swaps with multiple groups and have tried very hard to keep everyone updated with the status. I agree with Nicki that I am probably too soft-hearted to host. I wanted to be firm and hard-nosed and send them out one week after the due date but that hasn't happened because the participants are keeping me informed as to why their packages are late. I just feel terrible about not allowing someone to participate after they have worked so hard.

I am sorry if my swaps have contributed to some of the upset feelings that are occuring. Please believe me when I say that I would love to have all of the space back that is currently being taken up by the swap items I have in my house. I have tried to be responsive, keep the participants in my swaps updated and offer the opportunity to vote on outcomes. I'm sorry if this isn't enough.

I hope that swaps don't stop completely. I would like to see a delay on new ones until after the holidays. I think it is nearly impossible to commit to anything right now with the holiday season starting. I have enjoyed sharing with everyone on this board immensely and appreciate that I was welcomed as a newbie. I would hate to see our "home" forever marred. :guilty:
 
















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