General Star Wars Discussion

[Obi-J Kenobi]

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Well, I think I started this back and forth with a very long post trying express my understanding of a Variety article about how Disney leaders are scratching their heads getting men back to the brands they spent billions on, and specifically the focus on young men and boys. Now I feel bad.

To get back into everyone's good graces, I will share some "red meat" from Ewan MacGregor and the Patty Jenkins project, Rogue Squadron. Hopefully this will help sate folks' appetite for General Star Wars discussion..

https://www.ign.com/articles/star-w...season-3-and-cast-him-as-obi-wan-kenobi-in-it

https://www.themovieblog.com/2025/08/is-the-long-awaited-rogue-squadron-finally-happening/

 

[nancipants]

I'm a woman and I like Star Wars. Moving on....

I'm NOT getting my hopes up about Rogue Squadron again, but it's all I've ever wanted. (Okay, that's a lie, I want canon Mara Jade, but I don't trust them (ie Filoni) to get her right.)

Also, I'm going to throw out my conspiracy theory that Lucasfilm saw all the interviews with David Corenswet wanting to be an X-wing pilot and decided to fast track the project to get him involved before they film another Superman movie.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Does it, though? There were a lot of fans at th time that found The Empire Strikes Back to be a jarring 180 from the first film. Then Jedis was a corection for that (overcorrection?). I think maybe they filled in the gaps a bit better, but it's really very similar. THe ST is the same, Iconic first movie, darker second movie, lighter and sillier third movie.

You left out that the ST completely destroyed the hero of a generation in Luke Skywalker. Seems to be a huge difference between the two trilogies.

 

[BrianL]

You left out that the ST completely destroyed the hero of a generation in Luke Skywalker. Seems to be a huge difference between the two trilogies.

 

[mdmost]

Obi-J sharing something he found interesting all excited to have a discussion. Same old culture war arguments come up yet again.

His reaction:

 

[mdmost]

Well, I think I started this back and forth with a very long post trying express my understanding of a Variety article about how Disney leaders are scratching their heads getting men back to the brands they spent billions on, and specifically the focus on young men and boys. Now I feel bad.

To get back into everyone's good graces, I will share some "red meat" from Ewan MacGregor and the Patty Jenkins project, Rogue Squadron. Hopefully this will help sate folks' appetite for General Star Wars discussion..

https://www.ign.com/articles/star-w...season-3-and-cast-him-as-obi-wan-kenobi-in-it

https://www.themovieblog.com/2025/08/is-the-long-awaited-rogue-squadron-finally-happening/

I'd argue with Ewan that Andor season 3 already happened. It's called Rogue One. We don't need up to the minute narratives on everything leading up to the first Star Wars. Also Disney isn't paying for that.

I hope Top Gun Maverick shows that something like Rogue Squadron could really work. Though I think that's what Starfighter will be.

 

[BrianL]

I'd argue with Ewan that Andor season 3 already happened. It's called Rogue One. We don't need up to the minute narratives on everything leading up to the first Star Wars. Also Disney isn't paying for that.

I hope Top Gun Maverick shows that something like Rogue Squadron could really work. Though I think that's what Starfighter will be.

I mean, Maverick already ripped off Star Wars, so, we know it can work.

 

[HokieRaven5]

I mean, Maverick already ripped off Star Wars, so, we know it can work.

Maverick literally is the Force Awakens of Top Gun. Basic rebooting of the original (TFA is ANH 2.0), that follows familiar story beats that’s solely dedicated to a Star Wars Trench run.

It’s a safe and effective play, which of course, sells.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Maverick literally is the Force Awakens of Top Gun. Basic rebooting of the original (TFA is ANH 2.0), that follows familiar story beats that’s solely dedicated to a Star Wars Trench run.

It’s a safe and effective play, which of course, sells.

Except it didn’t turn the hero (Maverick) into a bitter old man who gave up on all his friends. Amazing if you actually respect the essence of a legacy character, the OG fans will embrace the sequel.

 

[BrianL]

Except it didn’t turn the hero (Maverick) into a bitter old man who gave up on all his friends. Amazing if you actually respect the essence of a legacy character, the OG fans will embrace the sequel.

 

[Suger Mag]

Well, I think I started this back and forth with a very long post trying express my understanding of a Variety article about how Disney leaders are scratching their heads getting men back to the brands they spent billions on, and specifically the focus on young men and boys. Now I feel bad.

To get back into everyone's good graces, I will share some "red meat" from Ewan MacGregor and the Patty Jenkins project, Rogue Squadron. Hopefully this will help sate folks' appetite for General Star Wars discussion..

https://www.ign.com/articles/star-w...season-3-and-cast-him-as-obi-wan-kenobi-in-it

https://www.themovieblog.com/2025/08/is-the-long-awaited-rogue-squadron-finally-happening/

I would be interested in seeing some further adventures of Obi Wan. I am glad however he did not make it into Andor. To me, Andor is not a Jedi story... it is more of a regular everyday hero people story

 

[Kit Jackson]

Does it, though? There were a lot of fans at th time that found The Empire Strikes Back to be a jarring 180 from the first film. Then Jedi was a corection for that (overcorrection?). I think maybe they filled in the gaps a bit better, but it's really very similar. The ST is the same: iconic first movie, darker second movie, lighter and sillier third movie.

There is a difference between tonal shifts, and feeling like there is an entire movie of important plot points and character development that happened between movies that I didn't see. I'm okay with time passing and unseen adventures between movies; Empire Strikes Back did this well. The sequel trilogy did not.

I mean, Maverick already ripped off Star Wars, so, we know it can work.

And even Star Wars ripped off a 1940s/1950s movie for the trench run. On another website there was a debate about which movie it was, and I think there were around half a dozen possibilities.

I will never understand why Star Wars didn't immediately put into development/production a movie about an X-Wing squadron after the massive successes of Top Gun: Maverick.

 

[BrianL]

There is a difference between tonal shifts, and feeling like there is an entire movie of important plot points and character development that happened between movies that I didn't see. I'm okay with time passing and unseen adventures between movies; Empire Strikes Back did this well. The sequel trilogy did not.

And even Star Wars ripped off a 1940s/1950s movie for the trench run. On another website there was a debate about which movie it was, and I think there were around half a dozen possibilities.

I will never understand why Star Wars didn't immediately put into development/production a movie about an X-Wing squadron after the massive successes of Top Gun: Maverick.

That's fair. The ST left out a few details that it could have used. My poin thtough is that the OT was not planned from the beginning, Lucas changed his mind about many things, sometimes radically, and the different directors did bring different tones to the movies. The fact that the ST was not planned from the beginning is not inherently a flaw. Not to say it doesn't have flaws, but the OT does too. Only the prequels are perfect!

Also, they did start development on an X-Wing type movie, it just never got out of the gate.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Also, they did start development on an X-Wing type movie, it just never got out of the gate.

Further evidence of how poorly the SW IP has been managed under Disney.

 

[mdmost]

It's fine with me. I got Rogue One, a Star Wars western at least for the first season, a great animated series that I enjoyed with my kids, and actual adult Star Wars with Andor out of Disney SW.

Maybe the truth is Star Wars just doesn't resonate with Gen Z because they moved past it and onto to other things. It's not on Netflix like Stranger Things or K-Pop Demon Hunters. It's not on the platforms they enjoy and use every day. It's a franchise built on and seemingly only sustained by nostalgia. That can only take you so far. It's fine. I still have the OT and that specialness doesn't change for me no matter how many terrible prequel and sequel storylines are put out that are mediocre. They're mediocre to me, to others that's their Star Wars.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

To me it’s simply more of a question of what could have been? What could have been if the IP hadn’t been so poorly mismanaged. What could have been if The Last Jedi didn’t basically split the fan base down the middle.

 

[BrianL]

To me it’s simply more of a question of what could have been? What could have been if the IP hadn’t been so poorly mismanaged. What could have been if The Last Jedi didn’t basically split the fan base down the middle.

It doesn't actually matter. Some fans would still have found a reason to hate it. Nobody loves hating Star Wars like Star Wars fans!

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

It doesn't actually matter. Some fans would still have found a reason to hate it. Nobody loves hating Star Wars like Star Wars fans!

I disagree. I think it does matter. Properly respect the legacy characters and I likely wouldn’t loathe Disney SW so much. Don’t destroy Luke in TLJ and you likely never split the fan base. I personally believe that SW could potentially be in a much better position currently than it is.

You disagree and I can respect that.

 

[mdmost]

The reality might just be that all the original trilogy actors were too old to make a sequel trilogy pay off fully as you had to relegate them to the background. No one can deny how huge the trailer for The Force Awakens was. People poured over that trailer over and over because we hadn't had a Star Wars in 8 years.

The time to have done a true sequel trilogy was in the 90s or early 00s when Mark Hamill was still young enough to be an action hero. But Harrison Ford had no interest in anything Star Wars until they agreed to kill him off. The Thrawn trilogy is a great blueprint on how it could've gone back then but time and George's interest in going backwards in the story was not on a sequel to the OT's side. Certain segments were only going to ever care about the OT characters because that's what they wanted to see. There's nothing wrong with that. That's the people from your Star Wars. People were excited to have Hayden and Ewan back because that was their Star Wars. New characters were always going to have an uphill battle. I think you can look at the MCU for proof of that. What MCU movies still do well? The ones with characters from the Endgame era like Tom Holland and the Guardians or straight up fan service memberberries plays like Deadpool & Wolverine. New ones just aren't connecting with people even though some of them are really good like Thunderbolts. Maybe that's the Disney+ effect?

For all the talk of how stale Disney SW is, the Mandalorian was massive when it came out. Baby Yoda was a huge thing. It rode the streaming wave that's collapsed outside of Netflix. Luke coming back, which I'll argue was a terrible idea, was a massive event. His return fell apart and lead to the Mandalorian spinning its wheels during the Book of Boba Fett portion. Maybe the Mando movie does well but it's not hitting a billion like the sequels. I think we're just in a new phase of movie making where billion dollar movies just aren't easy to make if it's not a sequel like Inside Out 2 or something that hasn't been touched yet IP wise like Minecraft.

Maybe Starfighter is the next thing that does well or the eventual next trilogy as the writer was on Rebels and loved Andor. I think Andor showed Disney what Star Wars was capable of. But is there an audience for that any longer?