Gail H.... what's a good printer?(inspired by the digital camera thread)

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Hi Gail!

You seem so knowledgable about the digital cameras so now I'd like to have your opinion on a good printer. I'm not wanting to spend a ton of money but I want to use it mainly for printing pictures. Any suggestions?

~Kermit~
 
Originally posted by kermittheturtle
Hi Gail!

You seem so knowledgable about the digital cameras so now I'd like to have your opinion on a good printer. I'm not wanting to spend a ton of money but I want to use it mainly for printing pictures. Any suggestions?

~Kermit~

I love the Epson line for printing pictures. SafetyMom is the one with the knowledge of printers. She knows her stuff on that line.
There is a new one out called the Epson Stylus Pro 4000. I don't know the price point, just really read about it in PTN and it looks like a real honey. I have also heard nice things about Lexmark.
 
One Printer lesson I have learned the hard way is to

Check Out The Price of the Printers Ink!!! My Canon printer the ink is $7.99 each at Walmart but my hp Printer the ink is $27. each at walmart!!!

So check out the cost of ink,before buying a Printer!!!
 
As Gail says I recommend Epsons. If you want to print your digital images you want a printer that the ink has archival qualities. You don't want to print your pics and have them fade in several years. Not all printer ink has archival qualities. You may buy a printer with cheap ink and save money today but your photos may not be around in several years.

A great place to learn about archival issues and printing is http://www.wilhelm-research.com If you use the Epson photo printers that have the archival inks you can expect your pictures to last longer in many cases that traditionally developed films. Costs to print your own photos compare to taking them to the store. By printing your own you only print the ones you want, you can crop, enhance the image, etc. You also can print any time you want. If you decide at 2 AM that you need to print Grandma's photo you don't have to jump in your car and run to the store to get them printed. If you are into scrapbooking Epson inks are acid free and they have many acid free papers. Traditional prints are not acid free.

Some things to keep in mind when buying a printer, you should always use the paper made by the manu. of your printer. Paper and ink are designed to work together. Ink needs to be sprayed on the paper, soak in and dry at a precise rate. By using another paper they may not happen. You may get prints that don't look right or they may take a long time to dry, etc.

As far as the one ink tank vs. separate, with photo printing you aren't going to see a lot of cost saving by going with the ind. carts. In photo printing you tend to use your colors fairly evenly. Unless you are printing a lot of things that use one color the sep. black and a sep color tank system will be OK. In my experience if one color runs out another one shortly follows. When you have separate inks you aren't saving lots of money because you still have to buy the plastic tank that houses the ink.

The Epson's are reasonable in price for the ink because the print head is built into the printer. Many of the companies put the print head on the cartridges so that makes the price higher because you are paying for technology every time you buy a cartridge. People will argue that this way you get a new print head every time. Epson builds their print heads to last where the others build them to be used once and thrown away.

As far as the dpi you will see quoted that is a nice number to know but most of the professionals never print at the highest number. The Epsons are capable at printing at 5760 dpi but usually the highest I print at is 2880. You would have to look long and hard to see a lot of difference between 2880 and 5760 but the time to print increases and it uses more ink.

Epson makes printers with 2 different types of inks. Dye based or pigment. Dye based will give you a brighter more realistic look but pigment will give you even longer archival life. Pigment is the way of the future but the inks are still being worked on. Dye based inks have been around forever but an all pigment ink printer has only been around for 2 generations.

To me speed is the last thing that I look at. People will ask me how long it took to print the photo. Truthfully I have never timed it. I just know when the photo comes out and it looks beautiful I am thrilled. It may have taken a few minutes but it was worth waiting for.

So now you have to choose between an all around printer or a photo printer. Epson makes a 4 ink or a 6 ink printer. The advantage of the 6 inks is better photos. The C64 and C84 uses dura brite pigmented inks so your printouts on plain paper are waterproof. In the Photo line they make several models. The Photo 820, 825, 925, R300. If you want a wide format printer I suggest you look at the Photo 1280 or 2200. They will print 13x19.

A great place to buy printers and inks is www.atlex.com They sell ink for all the printers and their prices are better than the stores even with shipping. That is where I buy my supplies.

If you have any questions I will be glad to answer them for you.
 

Knowing the cost of the ink cartridge doesn't tell you much. Ink cartridges don't all contain the same amount of ink so comparing costs is like comparing apples to oranges.

Lots of consumers also want to know how much ink is in the cartridge. Again that doesn't tell you a whole lot. I use the example of cars. You know that a compact car has a gas tank of 13 gallons, the Hummer has a 20 gallon gas tank( not sure). Does that mean that the Hummer can go further???? Probably not.

Ink usage is dependent on many things. Some people save money and use aftermarket inks. That is OK but you need to know what the archival life of those inks are. Typically they don't have the long archival life that the printer manu inks do. So you save a few cents today and pay for it when your pictures start to fade in a few years.
 
I think that the quality of the photo is greatly affected by the paper. I would strongly encourage you to check out Canon Photo Paper Pro. I have used MANY different brands of photo paper, and Canon's is without equal. The finish is exactly like professional paper.
 
I own an Epson stylus CX5200 printer/copier/scanner and the pictures that it prints are wonderful. My SIL's boyfriend(computer wiz)owns a Lexmark and his pics are also out of this world. I never timed how long it takes to print a pic but I would say an 8x10 takes somewhere around 5 minutes if my memory is correct. Maybe slightly longer. Anyways, good luck with purchasing a printer!!!!
 
Epson has many papers. Matte, glossy, semi gloss, lustre, watercolor. They also have a roll paper so if you do panoramics. They also do borderless on many of the popular paper sizes.

You also should care about the archival life of the paper also.

Epson uses a cool technology to put the ink on the paper, where all the other companies use thermal technology. So most of the papers are designed for thermal. You may find a paper that works for you but 9 times out of 10 you want to stick with the paper made by your manu.
 
Like I said, SafteyMom knows her stuff about printers and Hertz rent a car. :)
Thanks for the very insightful information on printers.
 
I have a new digital camera but I'm not going to print at home. You can find developing pretty inexpensive -http://www.dotphoto.com offers prints for .18 if you order 100. With the price of most printer ink at $30 a cartridge, paper and archival considerations I'll opt for a vendor for photos that I want to scrapbook or frame.

Most printers now even very inexpensive will print a pretty good picture for school projects and all the other small things that seem to need a print out.
 
Originally posted by janette
I have a new digital camera but I'm not going to print at home. You can find developing pretty inexpensive -http://www.dotphoto.com offers prints for .18 if you order 100. With the price of most printer ink at $30 a cartridge, paper and archival considerations I'll opt for a vendor for photos that I want to scrapbook or frame.

Most printers now even very inexpensive will print a pretty good picture for school projects and all the other small things that seem to need a print out.

the same archival considerations apply to printing anywhere.
However, when I do print my photos, I take them to WalMart, I like the digital machine and digital paper. Or, I order them online from Fuji.
 
Just wanted to say thank you to everyone for the replies and a big thank you to safetymom for the detailed info on printers!! I have been out X-Mas shopping ALL day and I'm still not done :crazy2:

I will check out those threads tomorrow and study up!! How long does it take to ship from atlex.com? I have always used an epson at home and at work and I never really had any trouble w/ them but mine is an Epson stylus color 777, I've printed pictures from it only a few times but was not real impressed w/ the turn out. Not sure if it is the printer or my camera? I did just order a new and hopefully better camera so maybe I'll test it out. What do you think? Ever tried an Epson 777? Thanks again!!


~Kermit~
 
The Epson 777 is not a photo printer. It is also several years old. It uses 4 inks where the photo printers use 6 or 7. The ink droplet size is also larger so the photo would look grainer than a current photo printer.

I have ordered from Atlex many times. I order late in the afternoon and have it a day and a half later. They are very quick with orders.

As far as cameras it depends on what mega pixel camera you had and what size you were trying to print. Small megapixel cameras will give you a good 3x5 print but start to look bad if you go larger.
 
I had never owned an Epson before, but I took the plunge and bought the 2200 -- WOW! The first week I had it I made $50 just printing things for other people. The prints have a good depth and very nice color.

It's not an inexpensive thing, though, but I wanted the wide format for my scrapbooking also.
 
I personally love my Canon i860 (about US$200) with 5 ink wells (4 for photo and 1 just for text). Very quiet, very fast, very ink-efficient. Oh, and comes with USB 2.0 connection too.

I wanted to buy Canon i960 (about US$260) with 6 ink wells (all 6 for photo prints) and the PQ will be better.

Now my main reason to buy printer is to print odd-sized piccies only because for regular sizes, it'll be much more convenient for me to go to Shoppers Drug Mart (a pharmacy) and use their digital imaging machine (by Noritsu).

4"x6" is only (approx) US 21 cents.

The only bad thing about that is that the Noritsu machine over there uses Kodak paper. :mad: :earseek:
 
My personal advice is consider your use. If you're printing up to
300 pages of color per month stick with a moderately priced Canon
inkjet. If you're printing 300+ color pages per month you could
consider a color laser or you could look into color copies (as
long as you're not doing a colored mail merge, etc).

A quick cost analysis for you from a Konica color laser printer:
Age: 2 1/2 years (model no longer supported by Konica)
Cost: $2500
Drum: $600 (replaced twice at $300/each)
Toner: $100/color (not sure how many times they've all been replaced)
Fuser: $350 (ready to go at any time now)

So over the last two and half years the cost of the color laser
printer has been at least $3500. Probably closer to $4000. And
it's mainly used for black and white!!!

If you do buy a color laser make sure ONLY COLOR PRINTS are made
with it. Otherwise you've got a horribly expensive b/w laser
printer on your hands.

My recommended option:
1 Canon color inkjet ($150)
1 HP Laserjet 2300 ($600)

You'll have the best of both worlds for small to medium print
jobs.

Below quotes are from:
http://www.exhardware.com/reviews.php?Id=105
"
There are a total of 4 toners to replace and the total annual
cost for replacments will set you back around $400 which is still
very very expensive.
...
and the OPC drum every 45,000 pages which can be quite costly in
the long run...
"

Good luck on your printer hunting!!

Jason Morrill
RAFT Community Technology Center
Groton Public Library
52 Newtown Road
Groton CT 06340
(860) 449-7190
 
Originally posted by WilliamsMom
My personal advice is consider your use. If you're printing up to
300 pages of color per month stick with a moderately priced Canon
inkjet. If you're printing 300+ color pages per month you could
consider a color laser or you could look into color copies (as
long as you're not doing a colored mail merge, etc).

A quick cost analysis for you from a Konica color laser printer:
Age: 2 1/2 years (model no longer supported by Konica)
Cost: $2500
Drum: $600 (replaced twice at $300/each)
Toner: $100/color (not sure how many times they've all been replaced)
Fuser: $350 (ready to go at any time now)

So over the last two and half years the cost of the color laser
printer has been at least $3500. Probably closer to $4000. And
it's mainly used for black and white!!!

We have a OKI color laser and I cannot find photo paper for it.
Ink jet/bubble jet paper does not work. SOOOO, I am going to be looking for a printer that does prints, and so far my pick is the new Epson Stylus. Dee is a dealer, so, we get a decent price on ink/supplies.

If you do buy a color laser make sure ONLY COLOR PRINTS are made
with it. Otherwise you've got a horribly expensive b/w laser
printer on your hands.

My recommended option:
1 Canon color inkjet ($150)
1 HP Laserjet 2300 ($600)

You'll have the best of both worlds for small to medium print
jobs.

Below quotes are from:
http://www.exhardware.com/reviews.php?Id=105
"
There are a total of 4 toners to replace and the total annual
cost for replacments will set you back around $400 which is still
very very expensive.
...
and the OPC drum every 45,000 pages which can be quite costly in
the long run...
"

Good luck on your printer hunting!!

Jason Morrill
RAFT Community Technology Center
Groton Public Library
52 Newtown Road
Groton CT 06340
(860) 449-7190
 
I have an Epson too. I bought it off a neighbor of mine. It is the Epson Stylus Photo 870. Anyone know if it is a good one or not? I tried printing a picture from an email I received and it turned out bad. HHHMMM??????
I am getting a digital camera for Christmas so if anyone can give me advice, I would appreciate it. I don't have a manual.
 
Originally posted by imamicki2
I have an Epson too. I bought it off a neighbor of mine. It is the Epson Stylus Photo 870. Anyone know if it is a good one or not? I tried printing a picture from an email I received and it turned out bad. HHHMMM??????
I am getting a digital camera for Christmas so if anyone can give me advice, I would appreciate it. I don't have a manual.

Here is a web site that may help you. http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/...85&prodoid=9940&category=Products&menuSpec=15

what kind of paper were you using. Epsons are very good printers, perhaps with the guide (that is the link) you will have better luck. Often pics. from email don't print well. Try printing one of your wall paper pictures.
 
Thank you Gail for your help! You sound like a pro! I am sure the site will help out tremendously.
 


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