Ft. Wilderness Cabins becoming DVC?

[ocdb8r1]

That is the point I am trying to make. The conversion rate to switch from here is not going to work well. In order to sleep 6 somewhere else you must switch to a 2BR. These cabins will have to be pointed significantly less than a 2BR to sell. So you won't be able to switch to a 2BR without drastically reducing the nights you are staying.

But this is not a novel problem in DVC. There are already plenty of instances where at some resorts you can sleep 5 in a Studio and you can only sleep 4 in a 1-bed. There are drastic swings in point requirements from season to season as well. How many people buy precisely the number of points they need for precisely a specific unit for precisely a specific week each year? I would say very few given the rather "round" numbers we see contracts for. As such, this will end up being just another consideration for owners every year when they determine what type of accommodation they want, what season they want to travel in and which resort they want to stay at.

Yes, if point charts here are somehow put in between a typical 1-bed and a typical 2-bed, some tough decisions may need to be had if you want to switch out of here as your home resort. That said, OKW owners must make the same decisions given how (relatively) low their point charts are.

 

[wilkydelts]

But this is not a novel problem in DVC. There are already plenty of instances where at some resorts you can sleep 5 in a Studio and you can only sleep 4 in a 1-bed. There are drastic swings in point requirements from season to season as well. How many people buy precisely the number of points they need for precisely a specific unit for precisely a specific week each year? I would say very few given the rather "round" numbers we see contracts for. As such, this will end up being just another consideration for owners every year when they determine what type of accommodation they want, what season they want to travel in and which resort they want to stay at.

Yes, if point charts here are somehow put in between a typical 1-bed and a typical 2-bed, some tough decisions may need to be had if you want to switch out of here as your home resort. That said, OKW owners must make the same decisions given how (relatively) low their point charts are.

You are talking DVC in general, so your point is not fully equivalent. As of now CFW is only building rooms that sleep 6. There are no varied options. So if you buy there because you need 6, you can only switch to 2BRs. I can not imagine these will be pointed anywhere close to a 2 BR, therefore switching is going to be an issue with points.

 

[mlayton14]

You are talking DVC in general, so your point is not fully equivalent. As of now CFW is only building rooms that sleep 6. There are no varied options. So if you buy there because you need 6, you can only switch to 2BRs. I can not imagine these will be pointed anywhere close to a 2 BR, therefore switching is going to be an issue with points.

Not necessarily- one could opt for 2 studios as needed

 

[wilkydelts]

Not necessarily- one could opt for 2 studios as needed

Wow, I am at a loss with these arguments

 

[ocdb8r1]

You are talking DVC in general, so your point is not fully equivalent. As of now CFW is only building rooms that sleep 6. There are no varied options. So if you buy there because you need 6, you can only switch to 2BRs. I can not imagine these will be pointed anywhere close to a 2 BR, therefore switching is going to be an issue with points.

I'm not sure what you mean here, but I think my point is precisely equivalent. If you buy enough OKW points for a 2-bedroom to sleep 9, you're going to have an issue switching to any other resort as well (because you're never going to get a standard view at BWV and nowhere else in a similar season comes close)....somehow OKW sells just fine. I also wouldn't assume the majority of people purchase just for max capacity. Finally, as I said before, people buy sufficient points for a variety of booking options (seasons, sizes, resorts) and needs change year-to-year or over time for many. I just don't see how this resort having a unique capacity option makes it problematic.

 

[meekey7197]

I’m probably dreaming but I’m really hoping these fall somewhere on the low end of the 1-bedroom scale, even though they sleep 6, they are going to be small. I am a point miser but my husband always wants me to book 1 bedrooms, we usually end up in an AK value or Boardwalk standard (we are a family of 3). It would be nice to have this option although I don't Think we would buy points there. If they don’t add laundry, they really are going to be more like a studio “plus” and less like a 1 bedroom…

 

[RoseGold]

I’m probably dreaming but I’m really hoping these fall somewhere on the low end of the 1-bedroom scale, even though they sleep 6, they are going to be small. I am a point miser but my husband always wants me to book 1 bedrooms, we usually end up in an AK value or Boardwalk standard (we are a family of 3). It would be nice to have this option although I don't Think we would buy points there. If they don’t add laundry, they really are going to be more like a studio “plus” and less like a 1 bedroom…

RIV has shown what the 1BR scale is now, and it's nowhere near BW standard.

 

[Sandisw]

RIV has shown what the 1BR scale is now, and it's nowhere near BW standard.

VGF and RIV 1 bedrooms are larger, and the locations are different..... you can't compare the two.....

I am expecting them to be similar to the SSR point charts for 1 bedrooms due to the smaller size, and the potential for no washer/dryer....especially given that point charts tend to match the cash price.

The 2042 charts were created at a time when the cost of a deluxe room was half of what it is today...

 

[RoseGold]

If these sleep 6, I'd put these at RIV 2BR chart, with or without laundry. Premium charge is for privacy and dogs (and maybe cash charge for dogs too, currently $50/night at cabins).

I can see a laundry room at the pool to reduce costs and maintenance. I'm guessing that would be a real pain, because this sounds big.

 

[sethschroeder]

It’s possible that they will sell out of fixed weeks for Halloween and Christmas weeks.

What will make it interesting is if its all 300 rooms in the same category. Riviera had sold out of certain FWs but it was a specific room type.

I think the people who would benefit most from a FW will likely not know its an option because they are current Fort stayers that know nothing about DVC. When we get closer I will look to update my original Fixed Week post to welcome them in to the DVC buying decision process around Fixed Weeks.

If points adjust in your favor they are great deals. I know a few of us had our FW actually use less points than just booking the room now. So much so that Disney actually started up dating FW prices for new buyers which had not occurred historically.

 

[sethschroeder]

RIV has shown what the 1BR scale is now, and it's nowhere near BW standard.

Not to mention I really like Riviera but these are going to be a large draw because of the uniqueness and the outdoor area that no other room gets with a whole site compared to just your balcony that is tiny.

The question is how much are they charging for the outdoor area sq/ft.

 

[tjkraz]

If these sleep 6, I'd put these at RIV 2BR chart, with or without laundry. Premium charge is for privacy and dogs (and maybe cash charge for dogs too, currently $50/night at cabins).

I can see a laundry room at the pool to reduce costs and maintenance. I'm guessing that would be a real pain, because this sounds big.

A FW Cabin for tonight (4/24) has rack of $522. Riviera 2 bedroom standard is $1689.

The cabins may be nicer than current once updated and the Riviera rate may be inflated. But both of those factors aren't enough to bridge that gulf.

 

[sethschroeder]

If these sleep 6, I'd put these at RIV 2BR chart, with or without laundry. Premium charge is for privacy and dogs (and maybe cash charge for dogs too, currently $50/night at cabins).

I can see a laundry room at the pool to reduce costs and maintenance. I'm guessing that would be a real pain, because this sounds big.

I wonder could we see Cabins with golf cart a room category? Where they charge an extra 10/points a night or something to include a DVC owned golf cart.

I think the assumption is they wont be included but just wondering if DVC does something like that because it could be a money maker to block maybe 25% of the rooms into this category to raise the total points of the resort some.

 

[OKW Lover]

While I love to speculate, it seems that some of us are getting worked up about what might be.

 

[tjkraz]

I wonder could we see Cabins with golf cart a room category? Where they charge an extra 10/points a night or something to include a DVC owned golf cart.

I think the assumption is they wont be included but just wondering if DVC does something like that because it could be a money maker to block maybe 25% of the rooms into this category to raise the total points of the resort some.

Only example I can think of where DVC charges more points strictly for access to amenities is club level rooms at AKV. And after 15 years, they've never gone back to that well.

If we spreadsheeted it, I bet Disney stands to make a lot more money renting golf carts to people who want them over 50 years rather than selling a few more points up front.

 

[RoseGold]

While I love to speculate, it seems that some of us are getting worked up about what might be.

Well, at least we have a name worked out. Trailers at Fort Wilderness, TFW.

 

[sethschroeder]

Only example I can think of where DVC charges more points strictly for access to amenities is club level rooms at AKV. And after 15 years, they've never gone back to that well.

Club level is a little different because Disney as a whole hasn't built club level recently. So that seems to be more an issue of club level possibly being saturated. Disney likely hasn't done Club though because they can sell that space as rooms for more money than the smaller upcharge is.

So I am not sure I equate the two and there is nothing like the karts anywhere at Disney where its a semi-required upcharge to have when staying.

 

[Sandisw]

If these sleep 6, I'd put these at RIV 2BR chart, with or without laundry. Premium charge is for privacy and dogs (and maybe cash charge for dogs too, currently $50/night at cabins).

I can see a laundry room at the pool to reduce costs and maintenance. I'm guessing that would be a real pain, because this sounds big.

Except they can’t get that price now for cash so I don’t see how they sell them as part of DVC.

Point chat’s correspond to the cash rates and FW cabins currently do not command what RIV commands. No way these are the requirements of RIV.

 

[RoseGold]

Except they can’t get that price now for cash so I don’t see how they sell them as part of DVC.

Point chat’s correspond to the cash rates and FW cabins currently do not command what RIV commands. No way these are the requirements of RIV.

Couldn't get that for the moderate building there before RIV either. This will be new and shiny. And not cheap.

 

[Nursemanit]

i think there will be a tower added to it so it will be Fort Wilderness villas and cabins FWVC