Frustrated with DD's teacher

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DD is in 3rd grade this year. She has been blessed with wonderful teachers every year so far. But this year I'm really frustrated with her teacher over several things but this is the worst right now.

They have a reading contract they have to do each week and it has to be signed in and returned on Fridays for at least 45 minutes of reading per week. Now DD does way more than the required reading each week. USUALLY the form comes home on Mondays and I will fill in the time she read over the weekend and stick it back in her notebook to go back to school. Its usually more than enough to fulfill the contract. Somtimes her teacher takes it out and checks it off that day and sometimes she doesn't until the end of the week. In which case I continue to put her reading on there even though its not necessary becuase she has already met the contract amount. The week for this runs from Friday - Thursday with it due on Friday. Sometimes her teacher sticks it back in her folder the day she checks it and sometimes I have to tell DD to ask her teacher to send it back home because we need to fill in the new time.

The old log had run out at the last full week of October and the week of 11/4no new reading log was sent home from school. Then at the beginning of last week her teacher wrote a note in her homework pad that reading time could be written there and turned in that logs would be sent home later that week. So I wrote the time that DD had read on the homework pad and sent it back to school. It was like 3 hours of reading that she had done over the weekend.

Then on Friday her reading log comes home. I put in some additional time for last week that she had read and then the time she had read over the weekend that would fulfill this weeks contract.

Yesterday the log comes home and the teacher took off a point for last weeks being late. I sent her an email and said that I had already turned in last week's time in DD's notebook as she had asked earlier in the week.

So I went online to check the grades and saw that she missed half the points for the week of the 4th. So I emailed her teacher again to ask about this and explained that I thought maybe there was some confusion because of the reading logs being sent home late by her. And that DD had done her reading for the week of the 4th as well as last week. But that somehow we had gotten off track because of the log being handed out late. Her response is below.

Secondly, I am checking XXXXX’s log. I received the pink form that should have been turned in Friday, yesterday. The new late homework policy is supposed to give the children a week to turn in late work for partial credit. I remember the notebook paper log for reading log. I think that the week Kaitlynn missed in Florida made her log late or missing and I have been looking at some as late that you thought were on time. I will give her the full points for the week of November 4th. I hope that fixes things

Okay so our trip to Disney was the week of 10/17. I looked up Kaitlynn's grades for that week and the ones around it and they are all 5 out of 5. The problem doesn't start until the issue with the teacher sending the logs home late and putting the note in their homework pads to write it in there. The time for last week was sent in during the week last week when the teacher sent home the note in the notepad. I'm thinking the new log didn't come home until friday, but it could have been thursday. But either way, the time for last week was already turned in prior to that. What I added over the weekend was additional time. And then I turned in this week's time. I noticed next to it at first she had put only a +4 and a note that it was a day late and then crossed it out. I guess she had accidentally wrote it on the wrong side of the page or something.

I know she said she is going to give DD the full points for the week of the 4th and I should be happy with that, but I'm not. I feel like she's trying to make it seem like its my fault alone its not. She sent the logs home late which is what got the whole mess started. But she's trying to say that our trip messed it up. But the grades don't reflect that at all. DD got full points the week of the trip and the week after. I did turn in DD's log the monday we came back so the week of the trip's reading was turned in a day late technically, but it was not missed altogether. That's irrelevant though because the teacher gave her full points for that week, the week before and the week after the trip. So that week is not the problem. I feel like the teacher has gotten things mixed up and is trying to use our trip as an excuse to make it sound like I've been turning in DD's log late.

So I made a note on my calender that I turned in DD's log yesterday with the her time for this week and that it came back graded. I'm going to have to keep detailed notes on when the log comes home and when I send it back in and when the teacher marks it as graded and sends it back. Several times I've had to tell DD she needs to ask her teacher for the log back becuase its the end of the week and she hasn't given it back to us to fill in yet. Its just a mess.

Last year their reading contract was on the bottom of the weekly letter with the math contract and you cut it off on Thursday night, filled it in and sent it back. This year they are getting one log that covers the whole quarter. Somtimes the teacher takes it when she grades it and doesn't send it home until later in the week and sometimes she checks it off and sends it back home the same day like this week. Maybe I need to ask if any other parents are having problems with their log grades as well.
 
If you are frustrated with DD's teacher then I think you should set up an appointment with the teacher to discuss the system of returning logs, etc. Are you 100% certain that the reading log returning issue is fully a problem of the teacher? Are you sure that you daughter doesn't have any responsibility in this? You may be surprised to find out that the logs coming home late aren't the teacher's fault but rather your daughter's.

Also returning the reading logs ahead of time rather than on their due date and create confusion and extra work for the teacher. I would suggest that you send them in when they are due rather than early.

Honestly in our school district in the 3rd grade it is the student's responsibility to get the reading logs back and forth on-time. Our kids have to do 20 minutes of reading per day, seven days a week starting in the first grade. Our first graders are to be responsible for doing is. If the first graders forget their reading log then they are supposed to make a substitute temporary reading log on their own. By 3rd grade there really is no excuse.

I recommend talking to the teacher in a meeting or over the phone to get the full story and to open the lines of communication a bit more.

Also, I would be open to hearing what the teacher has to say about the affect of the trip on your daughter's school performance, as that seems to be what the real issue is here with you. You probably feel as though the trip didn't affect anything but it sounds like the teacher may have a different point-of-view regarding that.
 
Unless my child's grade was borderline, I wouldn't get all worked up about this. It's 3rd grade, and I wouldn't be that concerned about the permanent record. :lmao:

I would have a bit of an issue with the teacher being a bit disorganized or scatterbrained about this, but I'd let it go for now.

To prevent an issue in the future, I'd either ask the teacher to give me an extra copy of the reading log, or I'd make a photocopy of the current one (and white out the current stuff on it, then copy it so I have a blank one) or copy the next blank one so that I have a couple blank ones on hand at home for the time that one doesn't come home. Then if somehow I didn't get one or whatever, I could simply add the current reading times to the blank log I have at home.
 
I'm not saying that DD does not have any responsiblity regarding the logs. My issue is more that the teacher is trying to say the reason for the low grade two weeks after our trip was becuase of our trip. But DD's grades clearly show that its not. I feel like its kind of an excuse becuase the teacher did not have the new logs ready to send home and things got confused both on her end and ours. But the trip really had no affect on the log two weeks later.

Its not a huge deal. DD has a 95 in reading right now and once the log for that week is corrected online her grade should be a little better. But, reading and English are her two subjects that she struggles to keep an A in. She is in the enrichment program at her school this year and she loves it. Its very competitive to be in though and grades affect who gets invited to be in there. I just don't like the idea of her grade suffering over miscommunication between the teacher and myself and the teacher seems unwilling to admit there was fault on both ends probably. Instead she wants to blame a trip from weeks prior that really has no impact on the weeks in question.

As far as turning the log in early, I need to ask DD if she is turning it in or the teacher is taking it out of her notebook. Their notebooks are designed to keep these type of papers in and I've only been putting it back in there as a place to keep it, not neccesarily to turn it in early. If DD is turning it in early then I will tell her to hang on to it until Friday when its due to cut down on any confusion.
 

In the same email last night, the teacher informed us that DD's thanksgiving paper had been chosen to read in chapel today if we wanted to attend. Now she knows we both work. DH takes DD to school every day so he asked the teacher this morning about the late notice reagarding it. She said she didn't find out until Monday and that she had emailed us right after school on tuesday.

Well actually she emailed us at 5:00 tuesday evening. But why couldn't she send home a note on Monday or send a quick email monday night. And before you ask, DD didn't find out until Tuesday that her paper had been picked and it was the first thing she told me when I picked her up from my mom's yesterday evening.

Last year her paper got picked also and the teacher sent me an email a week beforehand and I had plenty of time to rearrange my work schedule to attend. Thankfully, my boss is great and I'm going to be able to go today and didn't have any meetings or anything planned. But if I had, it would have been really hard to rearrange today.

I just feel like her teacher this year is a little less organized that the one's she has had in the past. I don't mind doing more on my end now that I know I'm gonig to need to. I just don't like her not taking responsibility for her end of it.
 
In the same email last night, the teacher informed us that DD's thanksgiving paper had been chosen to read in chapel today if we wanted to attend. Now she knows we both work. DH takes DD to school every day so he asked the teacher this morning about the late notice reagarding it. She said she didn't find out until Monday and that she had emailed us right after school on tuesday.

Well actually she emailed us at 5:00 tuesday evening. But why couldn't she send home a note on Monday or send a quick email monday night. And before you ask, DD didn't find out until Tuesday that her paper had been picked and it was the first thing she told me when I picked her up from my mom's yesterday evening.

Last year her paper got picked also and the teacher sent me an email a week beforehand and I had plenty of time to rearrange my work schedule to attend. Thankfully, my boss is great and I'm going to be able to go today and didn't have any meetings or anything planned. But if I had, it would have been really hard to rearrange today.

I just feel like her teacher this year is a little less organized that the one's she has had in the past. I don't mind doing more on my end now that I know I'm gonig to need to. I just don't like her not taking responsibility for her end of it.

Maybe the teacher is a complete scatter brain, or maybe she had her hands full with something more pressing on Monday after school. While I certainly see your point I can also see the point of the teacher. The teacher has many other children as well as a personal life and she may have had to tend to something more urgent or serious than notifying you about your daughter's reading performance.

Telling you the day after she found out seems reasonable to me. Now if she had known for a week or more that would be different.

As a mother of four myself, I certainly understand your frustration but as a daughter of elementary school teachers and a college level teacher myself, I can also understand that the teacher may have many other pressing things going on that might just be more urgent.

Again, I urge you to talk to her. Not email with her but talk with her about your concerns.
 
Maybe the teacher is a complete scatter brain, or maybe she had her hands full with something more pressing on Monday after school. While I certainly see your point I can also see the point of the teacher. The teacher has many other children as well as a personal life and she may have had to tend to something more urgent or serious than notifying you about your daughter's reading performance.

Telling you the day after she found out seems reasonable to me. Now if she had known for a week or more that would be different.

As a mother of four myself, I certainly understand your frustration but as a daughter of elementary school teachers and a college level teacher myself, I can also understand that the teacher may have many other pressing things going on that might just be more urgent.

Again, I urge you to talk to her. Not email with her but talk with her about your concerns.

I will talk to her next time I am at the school and have a chance to. It most likely will not be today becuase she will need to get to her class and I will need to get back to work.

I understand that teachers are busy people. I'm a busy person also. But I don't see not having two minutes to write a quick note and stick it in DD's notebook or even tell her and have her write it in her notebook or tell me.

Last year the kids sat up on stage with the person they wrote their thanksgiving letter about. I don't know if that is the case this year or not. But I would be heartbroken if DD had to sit up on that stage by herself or with a teacher because myself or DH was unable to attend. DD said yesterday that her thankful letter was about her brother so I'm going to call the school before I leave and see if they are doing the onstage thing again this year and if so should I pick up DS and bring him.

It's just frustrating.
 
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In the same email last night, the teacher informed us that DD's thanksgiving paper had been chosen to read in chapel today if we wanted to attend. Now she knows we both work. DH takes DD to school every day so he asked the teacher this morning about the late notice reagarding it. She said she didn't find out until Monday and that she had emailed us right after school on tuesday.

Well actually she emailed us at 5:00 tuesday evening. But why couldn't she send home a note on Monday or send a quick email monday night. And before you ask, DD didn't find out until Tuesday that her paper had been picked and it was the first thing she told me when I picked her up from my mom's yesterday evening.

Last year her paper got picked also and the teacher sent me an email a week beforehand and I had plenty of time to rearrange my work schedule to attend. Thankfully, my boss is great and I'm going to be able to go today and didn't have any meetings or anything planned. But if I had, it would have been really hard to rearrange today.

I just feel like her teacher this year is a little less organized that the one's she has had in the past. I don't mind doing more on my end now that I know I'm gonig to need to. I just don't like her not taking responsibility for her end of it.

I think this is a reasonable time line for the teacher to get back to you frankly. Our school has a 48 hr notice policy. The teacher did not say when she found out on Monday. It very likely could have been late evening via email or phone. Sometimes that information doesn't get out to teachers right away after that is decided, and my first thought would not have been whether the winners parents work or not. Also, many times teachers do not have time during the day to send home an email. (A note possibly, but you have no idea what was going on in her class that day. So it's hard to be upset since there could have been any number of issues going on.) I'm not sure of your district but the teacher has 30+ kids in a 3rd grade classroom. She may not have memorized that both of you work. I can guarantee you that most teachers do not have that in their memory for all their students.

I think you need to give the teacher a little grace here. Both of these situations were remedied and didn't have a negative effect on your daughters overall grade. It sounds like the teacher is trying to work with you but your expectations might be a little high.
 
I think it's very reasonable to place responsibility on your 8/9 year old daughter to write down her reading times and put it back in her folder and into her bag. Then, you can sign it each week. I don't think this should be your responsibility. I taught second grade for over ten years and I would expect my second graders to do this, not their parents. What a great learning experience this would be for her and it would take all this stress over a reading log off of you.

Give the teacher a break...she tried to make it right. It's a stressful time of year....everyone is tired.
 
I think this is a reasonable time line for the teacher to get back to you frankly. Our school has a 48 hr notice policy. The teacher did not say when she found out on Monday. It very likely could have been late evening via email or phone. Sometimes that information doesn't get out to teachers right away after that is decided, and my first thought would not have been whether the winners parents work or not. Also, many times teachers do not have time during the day to send home an email. (A note possibly, but you have no idea what was going on in her class that day. So it's hard to be upset since there could have been any number of issues going on.) I'm not sure of your district but the teacher has 30+ kids in a 3rd grade classroom. She may not have memorized that both of you work. I can guarantee you that most teachers do not have that in their memory for all their students.

I think you need to give the teacher a little grace here. Both of these situations were remedied and didn't have a negative effect on your daughters overall grade. It sounds like the teacher is trying to work with you but your expectations might be a little high.

Actually its a smaller private school and there are only about 19 kids in her class. Only two kids from each class were chosen to participate in the program today so its not like she would have needed to write 19 notes. Just two. And I know for a fact that she knows that both of us work.

I'm not sure what kind of notice policy the school has, or if they have one at all for stuff like this. But I don't think its unreasonable that she jot two quick notes to the parents on monday to send home or two quick emails that evening. It could have been done while she was in the grading system entering their grades on Monday night. I'm not asking for a ten page explanation just a quick note that the program is wednesday and your child was chosen to participate.

My biggest frustation is the reading log. And although she said she would give DD all the points for the week of the 4th she is still losing a point for last week when in fact the reading was done and noted in her notebook as requested, on time. Instead of agreeing that somewhere along the line things got confused/messed up becuase she didn't send home the logs on time and requested the time be turned in seperately, she tried to blame it on an absence from several weeks before the week in question. Then went on to say that she has been counting things late that I thought were on time, when in reality the only two weeks marked as late are the two weeks when she didn't send the log home and had the time turned in seperately.
 
I think it's very reasonable to place responsibility on your 8/9 year old daughter to write down her reading times and put it back in her folder and into her bag. Then, you can sign it each week. I don't think this should be your responsibility. I taught second grade for over ten years and I would expect my second graders to do this, not their parents. What a great learning experience this would be for her and it would take all this stress over a reading log off of you.

Give the teacher a break...she tried to make it right. It's a stressful time of year....everyone is tired.

In this case the instructions ask the parents to fill it out and it has to be signed line by line, not by week. DD would be perfectly capable of filling it out if need be. I also have to sign her stop sign each day and her homework notebook. I do it all at once after she's finished her homework and put it all back into her bookbag.
 
Honestly, try to set up an appointment to chat with her teacher. That way the teacher can organize her thoughts on the issue rather than have you just walk in and ask as she is preparing for class that day or something. Issues like that are best remedied by a talk in person rather than email. It would make it easier for her to see where the problem with the reading logs might have occurred.
 
My son is in kindergarten, and so far he and/or his teacher have lost the note saying he was a car rider home, his conference letter, and homework for the week. I'm almost positive I'm not losing these things, and I don't know where the disconnect is... Perhaps it's my son, the teacher, or me. But, I'm just saying that it's a lot to organize and stay on track of on a day-to-day basis.

That log book system sounds confusing for anyone. And, my daughter is in 1st grade and supposed to read 75 minutes/week. The log stays in her reading binder.
 
In the same email last night, the teacher informed us that DD's thanksgiving paper had been chosen to read in chapel today if we wanted to attend. Now she knows we both work. DH takes DD to school every day so he asked the teacher this morning about the late notice reagarding it. She said she didn't find out until Monday and that she had emailed us right after school on tuesday.

Well actually she emailed us at 5:00 tuesday evening. But why couldn't she send home a note on Monday or send a quick email monday night. And before you ask, DD didn't find out until Tuesday that her paper had been picked and it was the first thing she told me when I picked her up from my mom's yesterday evening.

Last year her paper got picked also and the teacher sent me an email a week beforehand and I had plenty of time to rearrange my work schedule to attend. Thankfully, my boss is great and I'm going to be able to go today and didn't have any meetings or anything planned. But if I had, it would have been really hard to rearrange today.

I just feel like her teacher this year is a little less organized that the one's she has had in the past. I don't mind doing more on my end now that I know I'm gonig to need to. I just don't like her not taking responsibility for her end of it.

It appears that you think your daughter is the only child in the class and the teacher has no life outside school. :confused3

Granted it appears to be a small class BUT there are other students in that class who deserve just as much time of that teachers time as your DD does. Maybe there were other more pressing emails or phone calls regarding other students that had to go out. Maybe there was an ill child and she had to gather homework for them. Maybe there was a fight that she had to talk to other parents about. Maybe there was a meeting she had to attend after school.

BUT maybe this teacher had spent enough hours of unpaid time on school and decided the emails could wait for another day. Teachers aren't on-call 24 hours a day 7 days a week. They have lives outside school! :laughing::laughing: Do you not realize they have to take work home to grade, plan lessons, deal with issues, spend their own money on school supplies, etc. etc.

This teacher IS doing her job. You as a parent of a child in her class are the one who is in the wrong. She told you what day to turn log in...you choose NOT TO FOLLOW DIRECTIONS and turn in early. So who is wrong there....YOU NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY ON YOUR END AND FOLLOW WHAT SHE ASKS OF YOU! So both of you work...maybe that slipped her mind because she HAS OTHER STUDENTS IN THE CLASS....she has more important issues than to remember if XXXX's parents work full time.

Parents need to take responsibility and not put the blame on the teachers. Your daughter could be handing things in late or not giving them to you. I sub in school and see so many kids stick important papers in their desks---you tell them to put in folder and they just look at you. Kids are to get assignment books signed....parents don't do. Teachers call parents and they don't call back.

You can't compare this teacher to previous ones....each teacher is different. Teachers expect more as kids progress thru school. Parents can't coddle and baby their kids. Kids need to take responsibility and we as parents have to step back.

Your daughter is one of a CLASS for the teacher. Sorry no sympathy on my end for your not getting email from h er on Monday night, or her not remembering you BOTH WORK. She is busy and doing her job. You need to accept responsibility that your daughter is not only child in class. Things aren't always fair in school...teachers are human and forget to do things. Or that email got pushed down the list for something more important.....like another child's problem or the teacher's personal life issues....
 
In this case the instructions ask the parents to fill it out and it has to be signed line by line, not by week. DD would be perfectly capable of filling it out if need be. I also have to sign her stop sign each day and her homework notebook. I do it all at once after she's finished her homework and put it all back into her bookbag.

MAKE HER PUT IT IN HER BOOK BAG.....IT IS HER RESPONSIBILITY NOT YOURS! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Thought #1: a person who goes through life looking for a fight always finds one.

Thought #2: children learn what they live. If they see that their parents are hyper-critical, they will be hyper-critical too. This may come back to bite the parent when the child becomes a teen.
 
Sometimes you have to stay one step ahead of the teacher by being proactive. My 7th grader is more than capable of keeping track of his own work, but I still check his assignments and grades, and question him about what he needs to do. In his English class, there is a set of regular assignments that are given each week, but his teacher tends to forget things or hand them out late. On the drive home each day, I ask him to run through his homework for the night. I make sure to ask about his English assignments if he doesn't list any. "Do you have a spelling packet? Grammar packet? Reading log?" If the teacher isn't assigning a reading log that week, she will usually specifically tell them. Sometimes she just forgets to hand it out until the next day. Seventh grade reading logs involve reading for 30 minutes each night, listing page numbers, and writing a long paragraph about what they read. If he misses one night, it's double the work the next night.

When the teacher seems to have forgotten, my son prints out a log from the teacher's website and does the first night's work. If she assigns it the next day, he's right on track. If she doesn't and he finds out there won't be a log due that week, he saves his work for the following week. Sometimes it takes second guessing the teacher and trying to stay on top of things, even if she forgot. It's not necessarily the optimal situation, but it's what my son and I have decided he needs to do to stay on top of things when the teacher might not be doing so.
 
I'll chime in with another you are being way too hard on the teacher vote.
 
My mom was the worst helicopter parent in the world and reading both your original and subsequent posts made me feel a little sick. I opened this thread expecting to read about some crazy, irrational thing the teacher did, but the irrational one is not the teacher. Your special snowflake will not benefit from this level of involvement. It is one point. Chill.
 
It appears that you think your daughter is the only child in the class and the teacher has no life outside school. :confused3

Granted it appears to be a small class BUT there are other students in that class who deserve just as much time of that teachers time as your DD does. Maybe there were other more pressing emails or phone calls regarding other students that had to go out. Maybe there was an ill child and she had to gather homework for them. Maybe there was a fight that she had to talk to other parents about. Maybe there was a meeting she had to attend after school.

BUT maybe this teacher had spent enough hours of unpaid time on school and decided the emails could wait for another day. Teachers aren't on-call 24 hours a day 7 days a week. They have lives outside school! :laughing::laughing: Do you not realize they have to take work home to grade, plan lessons, deal with issues, spend their own money on school supplies, etc. etc.

This teacher IS doing her job. You as a parent of a child in her class are the one who is in the wrong. She told you what day to turn log in...you choose NOT TO FOLLOW DIRECTIONS and turn in early. So who is wrong there....YOU NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY ON YOUR END AND FOLLOW WHAT SHE ASKS OF YOU! So both of you work...maybe that slipped her mind because she HAS OTHER STUDENTS IN THE CLASS....she has more important issues than to remember if XXXX's parents work full time.

Parents need to take responsibility and not put the blame on the teachers. Your daughter could be handing things in late or not giving them to you. I sub in school and see so many kids stick important papers in their desks---you tell them to put in folder and they just look at you. Kids are to get assignment books signed....parents don't do. Teachers call parents and they don't call back.

You can't compare this teacher to previous ones....each teacher is different. Teachers expect more as kids progress thru school. Parents can't coddle and baby their kids. Kids need to take responsibility and we as parents have to step back.

Your daughter is one of a CLASS for the teacher. Sorry no sympathy on my end for your not getting email from h er on Monday night, or her not remembering you BOTH WORK. She is busy and doing her job. You need to accept responsibility that your daughter is not only child in class. Things aren't always fair in school...teachers are human and forget to do things. Or that email got pushed down the list for something more important.....like another child's problem or the teacher's personal life issues....

I don't know how to mutli quote different posters so I'll have to do this one at a time.

Anyway. I never said I think my child is the only one in class or that she deserves special treatment. I think I stated that I understand that teaching is hard and often times thankless job. I know I wouldn't want to do it. But I didn't choose to be a teacher. I do work though, and I know that many times your job does not end when you walk out the door. There are many times I take work home, and my husband never has a day off without spending several hours on the phone with work or going into work. So please, don't lecture me on how hard teachers have it. We all work and we all do plenty of stuff outside of our paid hours.

I realize that she is human and makes mistakes and I realize that she has, for the most part, corrected this one. My biggest issue is the fact that I feel like she is putting the blame on me by trying to blame a trip that was not even in the time frame of the issue, and secondly, the work was not late. It was turned in, on time. Putting it in DD's folder is not turning it in. I asked DD about this and she said sometimes her teacher will see that it is already filled out and go ahead pick them up, sometimes she doesn't. But the notebook is where the log is stored as well as other things they have ongoing. And also, the sheet says BY friday, not ON friday.

And I never said I was going to storm the school over her not letting me go. But just like she has a right to be human and forget things or be too busy, I have a right to be irritated by it. I'm not going to go tell her off or anything, but it irritated me and I vented and am no longer concerned about it. I made it to the program, said hi to the teacher and it was fine.

I am not going to jump on this bandwagon of letting things go because teachers have it so hard. I think I should be able to expect my child's work to be counted properly, that is part of her paid job responsibilites. But the fact that she wants to push blame off on me makes me worry that this will be an ongoing problem. And I don't feel bad for being irritated by that.
 

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