From Europe to Africa in America - A Sisters' Expedition

I absolutely LOVE the way you two include so much detail and explanation in your updates!! THANK you for the tour of the Germany Pav. shops! I ended up with something that you didn't show (maybe they didnt' even have them while you were there?) so that will have to be a surprise for you. At the same time, I did not see the lace ornaments, which I actually may have chosen over what I got.
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I am very tempted to post the picture of the gingerbread box that we ended up getting on our journey. Hmmm....thinking....
 
I absolutely love the details that you put in your reports. Your perspectives on the world showcase are fascinating. I lived in Norway for a summer and I've noticed as well that the norwegian pavilion is for all of Scandanavia. It was so much fun to hear what y'all thought of the German pavillion. Those tshirts are hilarious!

I will definitely read your DLP report. I don't really know anything about DLP and I can't wait to read the German perspective!
 
Fantastic update!

I loved seeing the German pavilion through your eyes! Our favorite german treat is toblerone....oh wait is it actually Swiss??? Now I can't remember!:laughing:

So, is the glass pickle in the christmas tree an actual German tradition? I've heard that it isn't, so I wonder why epcot carries them.

YES, we must see the picture in a dirndel!!!!:banana::banana:

So, what did you think over-all of the pavilion?
 

This is Katharina modeling a ladies' t-shirt which is supposed to look like the upper part of a German “Dirndl” - the traditional dress in southern Germany:

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Not really the best picture of me ever... The t-shirt would have been very tempting, but fortunately I own a real Dirndl.

(Please, everyone, request that Katharina should post a picture of her wearing her Dirndl!!!)

Dirndl photo! Dirndl photo! :banana:


But then we found something that doesn't belong: Mozartkugeln!!!! Those small chocolates are produced in Austria and they are named after an Austrian composer. While Austrians speak German, Austria should not be confused with Germany (won't get into the juicy details of European history on this). So they should not be there!
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Yes, I found that in Vienna! Remember in my PTR when I ran into Wolfy?

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And I don't like them, they involve marzipan, so that's another reason for not selling them:


I like them, they have marzipan inside!

Hilarious!


You see, Germany has a problem with its history – a wrong sense of German nationalism was one of the reasons for both world wars. Especially the Nazis really exploited it. When being proud of your own country changes into feeling superior over all other countries and therefore giving you the perceived right to invade your neighbours in order to claim ground for the expansion of the German race, things have gone really wrong. This is the reason why a lot of Germans have difficulty in showing national symbols, there is this fear of getting on a slippery slope. I think many people feel that it is a bit like for someone with an alcohol problem who really can't drink any alcohol – many feel that Germans need to stay away from any public display of affection for their nation. And therefore those political right-wing groups who claim that Hitler was great and that the death of 6 million jews is a lie are the ones who try to reclaim all these symbols. And the gothic font used for these t-shirts is one of the symbols, which here in Germany are associated with the Nazis.
So, if you buy a t-shirt like this, don’t bring it to Germany, if people don’t recognize you as a tourist, they might be sceptical about your political views a be very reserved towards you.

Very interesting. Thanks for elaborating on this.

We even got seats. However, these were in the last row and we were sitting in front of the air conditioning. I can't recommend these seats! Our backs were leaning against a hot furnace while we got cold air blasted at our heads. Not pleasant!

I've had these seats. You're right, they just about burn your back.
 

Great Update !!! The German history lesson was fascinating !!I know when I look in the UK shop I see things that are not familiar to me !!And don't \see some I wish I did !!
 
WOW!! Those updates were SPECTACULAR!!! :worship::worship: I LOVED hearing what you thought about everything in Germany- the Epcot one. So enlightening- never have I seen a discussion of 2 tshirts that was more fascinating!:thumbsup2 Even the clarification of Norway was so insightful to me.

Oh and please, PLEASE, Katherina, PLEASE SHOW US YOUR DIRNDL!!!:cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2:

I so love reading your TR- REALLY hope we can meet one day! Are you girls coming to NYC anytime soon? I am sooooo close and would love to meet you!!:goodvibes katharina- you'll have to wear your DIRNDL so I recognize you!! :thumbsup2 :rotfl2:

And YAY for you two about PARIS!! :dance3: Oo-la-la, I am soooo envious you are going again- can't wait to read all about it...can't wait to go, one day, myself!! :cutie:
 
We want the dirndl, we want the dirndl!!!!:dance3:
 


(Please, everyone, request that Katharina should post a picture of her wearing her Dirndl!!!)

That's not fair!!!! I should have deleted my commentary...

I am very tempted to post the picture of the gingerbread box that we ended up getting on our journey. Hmmm....thinking....

Oh yes, please do!

Dirndl photo! Dirndl photo! :banana:

Oh and please, PLEASE, Katherina, PLEASE SHOW US YOUR DIRNDL!!!:cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2:

We want the dirndl, we want the dirndl!!!!:dance3:

Well, I have no picture of me in the Dirndl, so I have to convince my DH to take one... But don't expect too much, I got it, when I was 16 and it is very demure, nothing like you might see on pictures from the Oktoberfest.
 
I absolutely LOVE the way you two include so much detail and explanation in your updates!! THANK you for the tour of the Germany Pav. shops! I ended up with something that you didn't show (maybe they didnt' even have them while you were there?) so that will have to be a surprise for you. At the same time, I did not see the lace ornaments, which I actually may have chosen over what I got.
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Thank you, I am glad you enjoyed our tour! I am intrigued to find out what you got! I think the discussion of your shopping project was on your PTR actually after our trip. That's why I had a hard time coming up with a suggestion. Perhaps they had those lace ornaments only for the Christmas season and we saw just those that they hadn't sold? :confused3

I am very tempted to post the picture of the gingerbread box that we ended up getting on our journey. Hmmm....thinking....

I was thinking of Mikki's quest for a box when I posted the update. :goodvibes So she finally got a gingerbread box? I think it is a good choice! And you are a perfect witness that these boxes are indeed being sold all over Nuremberg! :thumbsup2

I absolutely love the details that you put in your reports. Your perspectives on the world showcase are fascinating. I lived in Norway for a summer and I've noticed as well that the norwegian pavilion is for all of Scandanavia. It was so much fun to hear what y'all thought og the German pavillion. Those thirst are hilarious!

Thanks! We had a lot of fun with these t-shirts! I think the Scandinavian countries really are so closely connected in culture, language and in every day life that it kind of makes sense not to show Norway seperated from the others. It is part of Norway, I guess, to see Swedish and Danish products everywhere.

I will definitely read your DLP report. I don't really know anything about DLP and I can't wait to read the German perspective!

Great, another reader for a future TR!! :goodvibes

Fantastic update!

I loved seeing the German pavilion through your eyes! Our favorite german treat is toblerone....oh wait is it actually Swiss??? Now I can't remember!:laughing:

Thank you! And yes Toblerone is Swiss! :laughing: But don't worry, it is sold in Germany as well, so at least it is a common product here! ;)

So, is the glass pickle in the christmas tree an actual German tradition? I've heard that it isn't, so I wonder why epcot carries them.

The glass pickle is an interesting thing. I read a few years ago that there was someone who actually did research on it (a real historian) and she found out that there is no evidence of this custom to ever have been in existence in Germany. However, in America it is commonly known to be a German custom. The explanation she came up with that this might have been a marketing story in the late 19th century for a German glass manufacturer who exported ornaments to the US. It appears that it has become a custom in American families with German heritage.

I think the explanation why Epcot carries them: While the World Showcase is a pretty good portrait of different countries, it still tries very much to built on the preconceived notion Americans have of different countries. That's why France only shows you Paris, Norway has the vikings, Germany the Biergarten etc. I can understand that, because they still want to entertain people and not get complaints that things are missing, because they show sides of each country that tourists aren't interested in. And the pickle ornament is one of those things that a lot of Americans seem to associate with Germany. While Tokio Hotel (which is much more relevant for German teenagers) isn't! :goodvibes

And it is a good way to sell a useless product - which then brings it back to the tradition of this story as a marketing tool! :rotfl:

So, what did you think over-all of the pavilion?

I hinted on that in the above explanation. I think it is very well done, but it does not show you Germany as it is. The things that are included are very well executed and while they are a bit cheesy, they try to be real copies, not just to be inspired by the real thing as I have often seen at other places in the US. So I think they could have done much worse, but it can never be a substitute for a trip to the real country (and I think that holds true for the whole WS).
 
Yes, I found that in Vienna! Remember in my PTR when I ran into Wolfy?

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Yes, I thought that you would have seen those in Vienna! I did not remember that you got a picture with Wolfi himself! :goodvibes You must have been pretty excited to meet such a famous person! :rotfl:


Hilarious!

I laughed very much, when I got the document back from Katharina with her comment as well!
Very interesting. Thanks for elaborating on this.

You know me, I am always glad to go on about German history... ;)

I've had these seats. You're right, they just about burn your back.

I was really wondering, why I had never read about anyone else talking about these seats! We at least had a few days when it was nice to get on a warm bus. But people who have a moist trip must really hate being grilled by the seat! :scared1:

Great Update !!! The German history lesson was fascinating !!I know when I look in the UK shop I see things that are not familiar to me !!And don't \see some I wish I did !!

That's interesting. Which are the things you would love to see there?

WOW!! Those updates were SPECTACULAR!!! :worship::worship: I LOVED hearing what you thought about everything in Germany- the Epcot one. So enlightening- never have I seen a discussion of 2 tshirts that was more fascinating!:thumbsup2 Even the clarification of Norway was so insightful to me.

Thank you very much! I guess you have never seen any lengthy discussion about t-shirts before anyway! ;)

I so love reading your TR- REALLY hope we can meet one day! Are you girls coming to NYC anytime soon? I am sooooo close and would love to meet you!!:goodvibes katharina- you'll have to wear your DIRNDL so I recognize you!! :thumbsup2 :rotfl2:

It would be lovely to meet you! I don't think any trips to NYC are planned in the near future. But I really loved the city in 2008 and I am sure that I will return there sometime! I will make sure to get in touch! :goodvibes

And YAY for you two about PARIS!! :dance3: Oo-la-la, I am soooo envious you are going again- can't wait to read all about it...can't wait to go, one day, myself!!

We are really excited about Paris, but it is still a long time until then! :sad2: I am starting to really look forward to taking lots of pictures for a TR... :rolleyes1


YES, we must see the picture in a dirndel!!!!:banana:

Dirndl photo! Dirndl photo! :banana:

Oh and please, PLEASE, Katherina, PLEASE SHOW US YOUR DIRNDL!!!:cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2:

We want the dirndl, we want the dirndl!!!!:dance3:

You see Katharina, there is a very strong request for you to put on your Dirndl and take a picture of it!! :banana:
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Today is the German national holiday - we celebrate 20 years of reunification today. I can't believe that I have by now lived longer in a reunified Germany than in West Germany... There is still a lot to do, we might be one state, but in many ways, we still need to grow together into one nation.

Besides this, today was also the day of my first ever 10km race. I was afraid of not being able to finish, 10km is quite a distance if you think about it! But the training had been ok and I knew that if everything went all right, I should finish in less than 1:20, but my goal was to finish at 1:15. I was really surprised how well it went and my time in the end was... (insert drumroll) ... 1:08:39! :banana::banana::banana::banana:

But that's not all what has kept me busy over the last weeks. Settling back in Nuremberg went quite well, but was still quite a bit of work and somehow tiring. But I love being back in my lovely appartment and enjoy spending time with my friends and my parents. A work I was really lucky and ended up with the nicest colleagues. I really enjoy working with them and it has made starting there really easy! :goodvibes The work itself is great, too. I really could not have asked for a better start there.

Last Monday I met Wendy (lovealldisney here on the DIS) and her DH for lunch here in Nuremberg. They are travelling in Germany at the moment and also met Katharina in Berlin. We had a wonderful time together and they seemed to really enjoy Germany. :goodvibes I really enjoyed meeting them and was really sad that I had to go back to work and that the lunch was over all too soon!! Wendy was so sweet and had a lime green gift bag for me filled with goodies from Wisconsin which I loved. Besides maple candy (:cloud9:) there was a fantastic highlight: lime green mickey heads!!! :banana: I will be able to have some on me on my next WDW visit!! :banana: I also got some lovely spices which I already used for dinner last week! Thank you very much Wendy!!:goodvibes

Hi we're back! :goodvibes Magdelena I Dave and I can't thank you enough for taking the time to meet us and have lunch! I wish we could have talked more! I am so glad you like the treats from Wisconsin like I said anytime you want me to send you more spices, mikey heads ect.. please don't be afraid to ask. I am more than happy to! Lunch was so good I have been telling everyone here that the sausages we had in Nuremburg were by far my favorite! Dave said after lunch he could have eaten about 12 of them! :rotfl: We are already talking of coming back we loved Germany so much! Nuremburg is on the list of course!
How were the spices? Good? We've not used ours yet. Maybe this weekend it's suposed to be warmer that usual that way we could make something on the grill.[/
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In September three friends of mine and I went to Garmisch-Partenkirchen for a hiking weekend. The first day we climbed a mountain, but it was really rainy, so no great pictures besides this one:

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But I thought you would like to see where I had lunch:

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and what I had:

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This is a type of strudel filled with quark (a German cream cheese type) instead of apples. It was delicious!!

Garmisch-Partenkirchen is a quaint little town:

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And we had a great view from our room:

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On Sunday we only visited a gorge, which was pretty spectacular, but also rather wet. I took quite a few pictures there:

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I hope you have been entertained a bit by this and I promise that the next WDW update will come soon! But now I am off celebrating with a few fellow runners!! party:


Those pictures are beautiful! I think Garmisch-Partenkirchen may have to go on the list! :rotfl::rotfl:
 
Flossbolna; And then it was off to Germany! So Katharina could get her first impression of her home country as interpreted by Disney! We did go on a thorough tour of the shops and inspected the merchandise for its authenticity – and we had a lot of fun with that as well! So here it is: Katharina's and Magdalene's ultimate shopping guide to Epcot's Germany: This is Katharina modeling a ladies' t-shirt which is supposed to look like the upper part of a German “Dirndl” - the traditional dress in southern Germany: [IMG said:
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[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]Not really the best picture of me ever... The t-shirt would have been very tempting, but fortunately I own a real Dirndl.

(Please, everyone, request that Katharina should post a picture of her wearing her Dirndl!!!)

Ok I have to see this! I bet you look really cute! I was so tempted to buy one for my DD! I told her I almost bought her one and she looked at me crossed eyed! No way would she wear one! :rotfl: I told her we saw girls of all ages wearing Dirndls. She still said no way!

We found this very funny! And laughed even more when we found the men's counterpart:

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This is a more generic Bavarian t-shirt (light blue and white are the colours of the Bavarian flag and it can be either two stripes or those rhombi):
I did not know this!
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We realized that German beer must have a certain popularity as can be seen by the variety of “beer-t-shirts”:

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But lets not forget that we are still in WDW:

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Of course German confectionary items can be recommended as well:

Perhaps not these ones – even though they are very common and hence very authentic, they are also rather basic. I think my generation always thinks of their grandmothers when they see these cookies, it's the small luxury the war-generation would feel comfortable to afford because it was still a very affordable product:

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OH MY! I almost bought these at a market we were at! I ended up buying something else!

This however is a much more luxurious product and one that had its origin in the city I now live in:

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You can even get the Nuremberg gingerbread in these lovely tin boxes:

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I so wish we would have went to the shop you recommeded in Nuremburg! I love gingerbread!

Those last two products are available here in Nuremberg all year around, in the rest of Germany only for Christmas (even though the season starts in late September).

Of course Haribo, the inventor of the gummy-bear has to make an appearance as well. Here we feature the licorice wheels – in German: Lakritzschnecken (not wheels, but snails btw):

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Please note that there are other European countries much more famous for their licorice products than Germany, for example Finland. So to me licorice is not really typical German.

But then we found something that doesn't belong: Mozartkugeln!!!! Those small chocolates are produced in Austria and they are named after an Austrian composer. While Austrians speak German, Austria should not be confused with Germany (won't get into the juicy details of European history on this). So they should not be there! And I don't like them, they involve marzipan, so that's another reason for not selling them:

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I like them, they have marzipan inside!

We also were highly amused that the counter in the candy shop sold rice crispy treats! Remember that Katharina just found out about this delicacy a few days before? They are absolutely unauthentic!!!

We were impressed with the very high quality of the glass Christmas ornaments, but did not take any pictures. Katharina, however when she spotted these:

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Small lace ornaments – they are produced in the Eastern areas of Germany. And Katharina was really happy to finally find something that represented some German culture that wasn't from Bavaria.

Then we saw some Germany souvenir t-shirts:

This one we really liked:

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It even had a sticker with a translation on it – in case anyone wonders: it says “Hello and have a good time!”

This one we did not consider to be very stylish, but it appears to be a popular style in WDW:

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The next two we thought were rather questionable:

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You see, Germany has a problem with its history – a wrong sense of German nationalism was one of the reasons for both world wars. Especially the Nazis really exploited it. When being proud of your own country changes into feeling superior over all other countries and therefore giving you the perceived right to invade your neighbours in order to claim ground for the expansion of the German race, things have gone really wrong. This is the reason why a lot of Germans have difficulty in showing national symbols, there is this fear of getting on a slippery slope. I think many people feel that it is a bit like for someone with an alcohol problem who really can't drink any alcohol – many feel that Germans need to stay away from any public display of affection for their nation. And therefore those political right-wing groups who claim that Hitler was great and that the death of 6 million jews is a lie are the ones who try to reclaim all these symbols. And the gothic font used for these t-shirts is one of the symbols, which here in Germany are associated with the Nazis.
So, if you buy a t-shirt like this, don’t bring it to Germany, if people don’t recognize you as a tourist, they might be sceptical about your political views a be very reserved towards you.

I know that's a long explanation for two t-shirts...

And this also concludes our visit to Germany.


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Thanks for the history lesson! I would not have known this!
Sounds like you had a nice evening!
 
As everyone else has said - fantastic update! I loved, loved, loved walking through the Germany pavilion with you two! I agree with your assessment on it as a whole - the same can be said for the USA pavilion as well. It shows a tidbit of the country, not everything looks like that AT ALL (as you well know!), it's the "pretty" side of the USA. And boy oh boy, the food choices in the USA STINK! I mean really....! :rolleyes:

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Not really the best picture of me ever... The t-shirt would have been very tempting, but fortunately I own a real Dirndl.

(Please, everyone, request that Katharina should post a picture of her wearing her Dirndl!!!)

I want to see it too Katharina!!! Drirndl, dirndl!


Is this basically a fruit cake? Is it good?

We also were highly amused that the counter in the candy shop sold rice crispy treats! Remember that Katharina just found out about this delicacy a few days before? They are absolutely unauthentic!!!

So funny! :rotfl2: Most Americans would never, ever, ever know! (and Disney bank$ on that! ;))


My Mom has an old lace ornament - I'm wondering if it's from Germany. I'll have to ask her this Christmas!

You see, Germany has a problem with its history – a wrong sense of German nationalism was one of the reasons for both world wars. Especially the Nazis really exploited it. When being proud of your own country changes into feeling superior over all other countries and therefore giving you the perceived right to invade your neighbours in order to claim ground for the expansion of the German race, things have gone really wrong. This is the reason why a lot of Germans have difficulty in showing national symbols, there is this fear of getting on a slippery slope. I think many people feel that it is a bit like for someone with an alcohol problem who really can't drink any alcohol – many feel that Germans need to stay away from any public display of affection for their nation. And therefore those political right-wing groups who claim that Hitler was great and that the death of 6 million jews is a lie are the ones who try to reclaim all these symbols. And the gothic font used for these t-shirts is one of the symbols, which here in Germany are associated with the Nazis. So, if you buy a t-shirt like this, don’t bring it to Germany, if people don’t recognize you as a tourist, they might be sceptical about your political views a be very reserved towards you.

Completely fascinating!!! Wow!



Those look soooooooooo good. Drool!

We had the same experience with those back seats in September! Henry loved to sit in the very back and the weird temperature issue didn't phase him one bit. I don't recall that issue from previous trips - or maybe we just never sat back there??? :confused3 Who knows! :laughing:
 
Love the updates! It's great to hear the impression of the pavillions at World Showcase by someone who is from there.
 
I loved your update especially about the Germany Pavillion. I love hearing history from people that have actually experienced it.
What is marzipan and what does it taste like?
DDs had a friend that was an exchange student from Germany and the only thing I can remember is that he called a cell phone a handy. :confused3
 
What a fabulous update! I loved hearing your thoughts on all the souvies in the German pavillion.

I forgot about the hot/cold seats, that happened to us once too. UGH.

I too would like to see a dirndl picture. :goodvibes

Kinder is the big thing for my kids, from Germany. I'm not sure if they have it at the pavilion or not but they love it! Especially the advent calendar and easter eggs.
 
Hope we get to see an update soon- with or without dirndls. popcorn::

There will be a dirndl picture, but I guess only after we moved, I just don't have the time and energy to get dressed up and our old flat right now is no place to take pictures in :scared1:

And I have to admit I'm not sure now whether it's my turn or Magdalene's to work on the next update...:confused3
 












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