Friend got a dog from Petland....

[Sherri]

Just wondering is anyone knows and i'm almost afraid to ask this, but what becomes of the pets that aren't sold in the pet store? What is their fate?

 

[Obi-Wan Pinobi]

I don't know why in the world you felt it was your place to chastise her.....

All animals need good loving homes. I have two persians that I bought from breeders and one gorgeous shih tzu that came from a pet store. It is no one's business where I acquired my pets and if a "friend" decided to give me down the country for how I obtained my dog.....I would tell them bugger off and go volunteer some of their time and energy to the animal shelters.

Amen

If anyone chastised me or Lauri for having gotten Reilly from a pet store, that person would no longer be a part of our lives.

That horrible "pet store" dog saved my wife's life, literally, when Lauri's muscles started failing and his actions with her.. laying on the affected areas and crying and refusing to eat or drink caused us to take Lauri to the hospital. I feel he was put in our lives on purpose. We had no intentions of buying a dog at the time, no intention of walking into that out of the way pet store and had never seen anything as wild as a tiny apricot poodle puppy with black tips on his fur. You can't convince me otherwise that something or someone higher up didn't put this dog on this planet to help my wife get through a hell that she is living in, right down to the attention getting black tips on his fur.

Besides, it's not up to me to decide that a living creature is not worthy of my love just because it had the misfortune to be born into a situation that people look down on. I have pets I have adopted from all avenues.. stores, breeders, rescue. I will continue to bring animals into my life based on a bond I have with them, not based on what is the popular opinion at the time.

Sorry if I pissed anyone off but its a sore spot with me. And as always, the above is JMHO.

 

[DznyLvr2005]

I've posted before about this, but...
1) When I got my golden retreiver from Shake a Paw Puppies, I had no idea that pet store animals came from puppy mills.
2) I recently saved a Brittany spaniel from getting put down by purchasing her for $99 from a different Pet Store in NY. BTW-- Here is a picture of her in her cage at the pet store.. I txt this picture to DH and he told me to take her immediately! They were going to put her down because she was over 6 months old


I love all animals. Ones that are bred in mills are still animals. If no one takes them they will die. It's a lose lose situation. I don't understand how puppy mills are legal!!! I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!! I mean, you go to jail for cruelty to animals, but aren't puppy mills cruelty to animals as well?!

Take a look at my beautiful babies.... I love them so much, I feel horrible abotu where they came from, but they are animals regardless if they came from mills or not...

This is Brittney... She's 7 months old...


This is Pumpkin... She's almost 3 years!

 

[DznyLvr2005]

Just wondering is anyone knows and i'm almost afraid to ask this, but what becomes of the pets that aren't sold in the pet store? What is their fate?

They told me after 6 months old they go to shelters, if no one takes them in a reasonable time, they get put down.

 

[Nana Annie]

What do you say? Nothing. You be happy for your friend.

I am probably the most anal person about not buying pet shop puppies. If I knew a person was contemplating buying a puppy from a pet shop, I would probably give them my opinion.

However, once the puppy is home, I would never tell the new owner what I think about the place of their purchase. If they are not one of the few rare people who actually got a healthy puppy from the puppy mill, then they will have to live with the consequences of their choices, probably through their wallet at the vets. No need to rub it in any further.

The time to educate is before the purchase is made. You want to stop the industry, not punish the new owner or puppy. Making the new owner feel bad does nothing except ruin your friendship and perhaps make the new owner an avid supporter of pet shops.

Now that the puppy is home, give it a chance. It is after all a dog, not unlike any other dog. And it deserves love and affection.

It really is ok to think and say the puppy is adorable and sweet - it probably is.

 

[Sherri]

They told me after 6 months old they go to shelters, if no one takes them in a reasonable time, they get put down.

Thats really sad.
Your dogs are beautiful by the way.

 

[salal]

http://www.petstorecruelty.org/boycottpetland.htm

Petland does buy from puppy mills

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

The last puppy that came into our lives was from a pet store and when people commented on how wonderful & beautiful she was she must be from a breeder I never said anything because of close minded people and their opinions. I find it ironic that when I brought her home & to the vet she was the one that confirmed what I already knew she was the perfect pet for me, something I already knew.
I now realize what happens when puppies "age out" of pet shops so in a way I rescued her. The truth is she rescued me......I bought her 2 years before the most medically difficult time in my life. I truly believe the man upstairs found her for me.
The weeks I spent in the hospital the only photos I had were of my beautiful dog & my wedding photo with my beloved husband. They were the 2 things that made me go on & gave me the determination to live and get home.

 

[louey]

Hi Obiwanpinobi, I did the same thing over 20 years ago, I walked into a pet store and brought home a pomeranian puppy. We were just married, got evicted from our apartment because we weren't suppose to have pets (lost our $400 deposit). We had Chelsea for 17 wonderful years, but knowing what I know now about where most of these sweet pups come from I have to say I don't even go into those stores. Their poor parents are living in horrid conditions. Honestly most people have no idea that most puppies in stores are from a puppy mill. I just hope anyone reading this thread does some research before they decide where to get a dog.
This is just my opinion
petfinder.com
I hope your wife is doing okay.

 

[DznyLvr2005]

Your dogs are beautiful by the way.

Thanks

 

[LK03]

I guess what I was asking is when do you say, enough is enough, maybe you should think first? She's violating her HOA and from what I understand could get her evicted. What happens when one of the neighbors she has pissed off notices 3 dogs have been there over a month and turns her in? What do you say when you know one of the dogs has been crated 12-14 hours several days beforehand and now you're adding a puppy who can't obviously do that? What do you say when she bought the sugar gliders because they were neat and to hand tame and never did so she bought a hedgehog to hand tame and doesn't bother with it now? Doesn't there come a point when you start to worry about all the other animals as she keeps adding on?

 

[DznyLvr2005]

re: "papers"
Yeah I've got "papers" with my dogs. It even gives the Dames and Sires. I think it's all BS!!!
They are registered, not even with AKC, but some other "orginization" I looked it up and it's a fake registry, meaning some people created a registry and that's all. It's them taking their word that the dog is a pedigree.
Also... When I got my golden at Shake a Paw, their motto is "where you get the healthiest pet" or something like that.
Well, Pumpkin had kennel cough, a Urinary tract infection, ear infection.. you name it!!!
Britney suprisingly had nothing wrong with her. She actually just got spaded last week too.
They are both now in perfect health.
Pumpkin is :scared of rain and thunder, loves people, & brings me her mallard stuffed animal daily
Britney is: crazy hyper, loves to bark, loves to annoy Pumpkin

 

[louey]

I guess what I was asking is when do you say, enough is enough, maybe you should think first? She's violating her HOA and from what I understand could get her evicted. What happens when one of the neighbors she has pissed off notices 3 dogs have been there over a month and turns her in? What do you say when you know one of the dogs has been crated 12-14 hours several days beforehand and now you're adding a puppy who can't obviously do that? What do you say when she bought the sugar gliders because they were neat and to hand tame and never did so she bought a hedgehog to hand tame and doesn't bother with it now? Doesn't there come a point when you start to worry about all the other animals as she keeps adding on?

All I can say is that now that she has her own personal petting zoo, if she ever says that she has to get rid of any of them that you step in and be a friend to her animals and make sure god forbid that they end up at a rescue or another home and not a kill shelter?

 

[Nana Annie]

I guess what I was asking is when do you say, enough is enough, maybe you should think first? She's violating her HOA and from what I understand could get her evicted. What happens when one of the neighbors she has pissed off notices 3 dogs have been there over a month and turns her in? What do you say when you know one of the dogs has been crated 12-14 hours several days beforehand and now you're adding a puppy who can't obviously do that? What do you say when she bought the sugar gliders because they were neat and to hand tame and never did so she bought a hedgehog to hand tame and doesn't bother with it now? Doesn't there come a point when you start to worry about all the other animals as she keeps adding on?

I think this is a completely different issue than just getting a petshop puppy. It sounds like she may be having difficulties with her DH's absence and is comforting herself with hoarding. Perhaps depression, perhaps just loneliness.

I would be a good friend, support her, and if the opportunity arises, suggest some counseling to help her through this tough time.

 

[Cool-Beans]

I guess what I was asking is when do you say, enough is enough, maybe you should think first? She's violating her HOA and from what I understand could get her evicted. What happens when one of the neighbors she has pissed off notices 3 dogs have been there over a month and turns her in? What do you say when you know one of the dogs has been crated 12-14 hours several days beforehand and now you're adding a puppy who can't obviously do that? What do you say when she bought the sugar gliders because they were neat and to hand tame and never did so she bought a hedgehog to hand tame and doesn't bother with it now? Doesn't there come a point when you start to worry about all the other animals as she keeps adding on?

When she asks your advice/opinion or it somehow starts negatively affecting your life.

Maybe you should just drop this woman as your friend. It doesn't seem like you respect her much or approve of her or even like her.

It seems like this whole issue of where people buy their pets is very important to you. There must some organization you could join where you'd meet like-minded people you could respect and like.

 

[lovemygoofy]

I guess what I was asking is when do you say, enough is enough, maybe you should think first? She's violating her HOA and from what I understand could get her evicted. What happens when one of the neighbors she has pissed off notices 3 dogs have been there over a month and turns her in? What do you say when you know one of the dogs has been crated 12-14 hours several days beforehand and now you're adding a puppy who can't obviously do that? What do you say when she bought the sugar gliders because they were neat and to hand tame and never did so she bought a hedgehog to hand tame and doesn't bother with it now? Doesn't there come a point when you start to worry about all the other animals as she keeps adding on?

You and I both know that alot of people substitute for their loved one being gone and make decisions they other wise may not. If you are good friends and do care, then you have to point out that she is breaking her HOA and can be evicted. It may take saying it 5x a day. Is your husband and her husband friends or near each other in the deployment? Could your husband talk to her husband about the problem?

If you think that her problems are dragging you down and making your deployment harder, then you need to leave her alone and let her make her own mistakes. Yes, she could get evicted but she is a grown adult and sometimes it takes a hard hit to make them come out of the fog that some seem to go in once a deployment starts.

Lastly, if she is having a hard time dealing with all this stuff, she needs to seek professional counseling. She needs to either speak with a counselor or a chaplain or her doctor. I have seen some of the craziest situations and had to let them play out to the end because sometimes you just can't intercede and sometimes you just can't get the sense to get into someone's head. I know it is difficult juggling your own issues and seeing others juggling. Your doing a good job and your deployment will be over hopefully before you know it.

 

[Planogirl]

I want to mention that rarely a private pet shop or supply store will sell animals not bought from puppy mills. We lived in a small town in south Texas for a while and a man there ran a small pet shop that only sold fish and hamsters and the like. Once in a while, he would take in puppies or kittens brought in by someone who had found a pregnant stray or someone whose pet had gotten out and ended up having a litter. At least supposedly.

I never saw anything but a few mutts from time to time and we did buy a kitten from him once for a whopping $5.00!

 

[JimB.]

First - if you do not want to be stuck sitting her pets (which I can understand....), then say so. They are her responsibility, not yours. Don't feel like you have to get dragged into it. She's responsible for violations of her HOA, not you.

Second - If Petland says they are not using puppy mills, they are liars.

 

[bumbershoot]

My friend is very adament about adopting pets.

She's repeatedly over and over said one shouldn't get a dog from a breeder let alone a pet store.

I think that many people have overlooked that part of your reaction was being stunned that this person, who had previously made very strong statements, was going against her own principles.

She claims that Petland doesn't support puppy mills and backyard breeders.

It sounds like she went by there, got sucked in by a cute face, and decided to believe whatever the guy there told her. And now, perhaps, is deeply regretting it herself, perhaps even feeling ashamed (anyone who has ever gone against a deepset conviction that one has held knows that you will feel deep, deep shame afterwards, OR throw up defenses like crazy and not allow anyone to bring up your previous position), and she probably really doesn't want to think about it.


I won't even go by those places, I do NOT want to be suckered in by a pretty face. Because if I get pulled in by that face, by some sort of connection, I am dooming that animal's mother to MORE litters, to MORE what-I-deem abuse, to MORE time spent locked up... And if that animal's mother is already gone, then it's just another one, or another, or another.

I get that if it's not me that takes an animal home, it'll be someone else. But it won't be ME causing further pain to the breeding animals back wherever those animals came from.



Now, what do you say to her now? Well, you didn't say how she responded to. Actually, first off, I find "congratuations" to be a WEIRD response to getting an animal to begin with. So I would never even say that to anyone who just got a new animal. But still, you didn't say what she said.

If you think she's ashamed, now finding out that she was sold a line of hooey (please note I don't even know what Petland is...we have Petco (sells animals?) and PetSmart (adopts animals out for local shelters?) around here), but she's in puppy love and probably can't see a palatable way out of it NOW, so while I wouldn't tell you to ignore it, I wouldn't want to, well, rub her nose in how she went against her beliefs. She knows it, she knows you know it.

As for the city and HOA stuff, that's on her head. She knows that she's going against rules...

And with the multiple animal thing...I'm sure she also knows she has too many animals. We had one cat, and we quickly realized that it was too many for us. An otherwise good friend of mine urged me to find another home for her, because she knew that the cat was too much for me.

I was desperately allergic (an asthma attack the second day she was with us nearly sent me to the hospital...I had never had anything but exercise induced asthma before), she was a LOVEY cat with issues who drooled and clawed and had to be ON me most of the day. Then I got pg and couldn't even stand to be near my sweet girl b/c of weird aversions that I tried so hard to get over but just couldn't, so her care and love was all on DH. Then DS arrived and she HATED him, then he started moving around and she hated him even more. We protected her but in protecting her we made her world even smaller...she was 7ish years old, drooled, had abandonment issues, could NOT be in a house with other animals b/c she had been bullied in the three homes before us, AND for 1.5 years she had a persistent leg infection (because she licked and bit and licked and bit herself obsessively, because we couldn't provide perfectly for her needs) that ONLY more alternative, expensive, remedies helped with, while the antibiotics that a normal person would give her only made it worse... We could NOT give her up to just anyone, and could never find anyone who would take her...so we soldiered on, continuing to TRY, until she ran out the door while DH was cleaning up a mess she made while he was dealing with his father being gravely ill in the hospital (he didn't notice b/c his parents were calling repeatedly while he cleaned up the poop she had "put" all over the floor, right next to her CLEAN litterbox), and we never saw her again.

So my friend told me to do things, but she also never gave me any practical advice for helping our cat or finding her a home. I knew the negative feelings were there from my friend, as we tried to do our best with and for our cat, but without HELP, it was useless to talk with my friend about it. She didn't assist, she only made me feel worse, which didn't help me help my cat.

And that situation didn't even have to do with something that went against my convictions...in my case the only shame was that I couldn't fulfill my promise to my first baby, our cat, because the second baby, my son, and all of my hormones and feelings swirling around made it as impossible to deal with her, as it was impossible for me to eat eggs (utterly impossible) during that time (pg and first year postpartum).

And my embarrassment was thinking for a second that I could have an indoor cat, when I hadn't grown up with them, had had allergies to the universe since I was 4, and grew up with a mother with life-threatening asthma. It was ridiculous for me to have said "yes" to her to begin with, but she was a pretty face and that, along with her sweetness and the sadness of her situation when I met her, pulled me in to a situation I shouldn't have been in.


If you want to be friends, be friends. Help her in some way to figure things out, if she needs/wants it, even if you don't want to watch her animals for her anymore. She knows how you feel about her abandoning HER own principles, she probably doesn't need you to bring that up anymore. She might want to talk about it in the future. She might not. If you do NOT want to be friends, just walk away. Maybe there are other issues, maybe there aren't. But if you've had it, you don't have to stick around. She'll survive. Though you might want to give her an honest explanation, so she doesn't have to walk around not understanding it forever...I've lost two friends for mystifying, illogical, and IMO nonsense reasons (the first one I never even GOT reasons for, just "reasons" told to me by other friends after the fact), and it drives me bonkers sometimes, to think about it and know they won't explain...so if you don't want her to still be remembering you with frustration 12 years from now, at least explain.


Good luck!

 

[DznyLvr2005]

I was watching the Eukanuba dog show this morning on Animal Planet. (A repeat from 2002) IT was sponsered by PETCO!!! I guess when you have enough money to sponser AKC certified animals, they don't care where the money comes from!