FP+ Work Around, how to get more FP in a day thread?

[mom2rtk]

I am so excited to see the Christmas decorations and you don't need a FP for that.

Shhhh...... Don't give them any ideas!

 

[Cheesehead9]

I do a lot of advanced computer programming and it doesn't cease to amaze me that upwards of a billion dollars can be spent on IT (healthcare.gov, Fastpass+), and you get programming problems a high schooler could have prevented.

Kenny's explanation of how to get infinite FP+'s could be summed up with about 5 short bullet points (although we appreciate the in depth explanation). There is nothing difficult about it. The biggest "if" seems to be the spotty internet service in the parks. No one has mentioned that you could call/communicate with a family member/friend offsite and have them access MDE for you while you're in the park.

As for being able to reenter the FP+ line... that's the banana peal on this heap of steaming garbage. How can it get more elementary? If they didn't get these basic things right, I suspect all of MM+ was poorly thought-up, designed, and as we're seeing now, executed.

 

[bcrook]

I do a lot of advanced computer programming and it doesn't cease to amaze me that upwards of a billion dollars can be spent on IT (healthcare.gov, Fastpass+), and you get programming problems a high schooler could have prevented.

Kenny's explanation of how to get infinite FP+'s could be summed up with about 5 short bullet points (although we appreciate the in depth explanation). There is nothing difficult about it. The biggest "if" seems to be the spotty internet service in the parks. No one has mentioned that you could call/communicate with a family member/friend offsite and have them access MDE for you while you're in the park.

As for being able to reenter the FP+ line... that's the banana peal on this heap of steaming garbage. How can it get more elementary? If they didn't get these basic things right, I suspect all of MM+ was poorly thought-up, designed, and as we're seeing now, executed.

All evidence points that way.

And to think, all the customers wanted was a few new attractions in each park...

 

[1 DISNEY FAN]

Once the masses find out about this the fast pass queue will end up been as long as standby. The people with true fp or Das will be waiting forever. Not very nice for them.

 

[Novakm]

I don't think using this feature is cheating at all. Unlike double dipping, or going through twice, or abusing the handicap system:
1) it is available to everyone in the FP+ system equally (since Kenny posted it). Even the hypothetical 4yo you would be cutting in front of has access to do the same thing.
2) it is only using available fast passes that no one bothered to preselect. It does not create new ones, or reuse expired ones.
3) it does not block anyone from scheduling thier 3 passes the day before.
4) no lying is involved ( unlike abusing the handicap system)
5) Disney has never said you cannot get more FPs on the same day, only that you cannot reserve more than 3 before you arrive.
6) it is using the system as Disney designed it.


Are we sure that Kenny's discovery is a "loophole" and not a "feature" that was added to give people a chance to use unclaimed FP availability?

Go Kenny!

 

[Novakm]

I forgot #7 it wil not push fastpass line wait times past what disney planned, because its only using available capacity in the system

 

[clsteve]

I do a lot of advanced computer programming and it doesn't cease to amaze me that upwards of a billion dollars can be spent on IT (healthcare.gov, Fastpass+), and you get programming problems a high schooler could have prevented.

Kenny's explanation of how to get infinite FP+'s could be summed up with about 5 short bullet points (although we appreciate the in depth explanation). There is nothing difficult about it. The biggest "if" seems to be the spotty internet service in the parks. No one has mentioned that you could call/communicate with a family member/friend offsite and have them access MDE for you while you're in the park.

As for being able to reenter the FP+ line... that's the banana peal on this heap of steaming garbage. How can it get more elementary? If they didn't get these basic things right, I suspect all of MM+ was poorly thought-up, designed, and as we're seeing now, executed.

It looks like they've made 2 cardinal mistakes that will get you every time with large implementations:

1. They've valued system performance and speed over data integrity by batching changes and pushing them without appropriate validation

2. They underestimated the "computer savvyness" of their end users - I doubt they expected someone like KTP to so quickly push for holes and workarounds

Couple this with issues with CM handheld devices, MB issues, back-ups at FP+ readers, EMH, staff training, guest services being swamped, etc., which all seem to be popping up much too frequently now that all resorts guests have the option and more folks are using their FP+ reservations - I hope they're prepared for next week.

 

[doctornick]

That loophole has to remain open as long as any resorts are giving guests kttw that access fp- without having to use it to enter the park (aka using magic bands for entry). As soon as Disney puts all resorts in the testing phase that pop is in now,I would expect that loophole to be closed.

I still don't fully understand this. When resort guests are given a KTTW card as a "backup" for the MB, isn't it still linked to MM+ and their ticket? If you use the MB to enter the park, the system should note that that "ticket" is in use that day. -- it shouldn't matter what media is used to refer to the ticket (MB, KTTW card, AP card, "paper" ticket from Undercover Tourist, etc.) since they all are linked to the same ticket.

The way you are describing it, it makes it seem like people are given some generic KTTW card which isn't tied to their ticket (or the guest at all) that just pulls legacy FP -- but that can't be right, since the KTTW they are given is also supposed to be active for room entry, charging, etc. which means it is linked to the person's stay and would almost certainly have the park tickets loaded on their as well.

 

[Missyrose]

I still don't fully understand this. When resort guests are given a KTTW card as a "backup" for the MB, isn't it still linked to MM+ and their ticket? If you use the MB to enter the park, the system should note that that "ticket" is in use that day. -- it shouldn't matter what media is used to refer to the ticket (MB, KTTW card, AP card, "paper" ticket from Undercover Tourist, etc.) since they all are linked to the same ticket.

The way you are describing it, it makes it seem like people are given some generic KTTW card which isn't tied to their ticket (or the guest at all) that just pulls legacy FP -- but that can't be right, since the KTTW they are given is also supposed to be active for room entry, charging, etc. which means it is linked to the person's stay and would almost certainly have the park tickets loaded on their as well.

People are able to pull legacy FPs with old KTTW cards (that never had a ticket attached to them) as well as the current (non-Pop) KTTW cards they get at check-in.

 

[kennythepirate]

Kenny, would you know if a room-only KTTW card will access the FP- machines. I am staying at POP (just my luck) and want the same access as all the other resorts have. If I book a room-only the first day I am there at another resort that is giving KTTW cards and go and get those KTTW cards, would those work in the FP- machines for my stay? Wouldn't think of doing this normally, but I want to try to have equal access as the other resort guests. I wouldn't also do it if by mid-December most of the resorts are not giving cards anymore.

Yes old room only and new room only KTTW from any resort will work. The only exception is that new room only from Pop Century will not work.

 

[delmar411]

I still don't fully understand this. When resort guests are given a KTTW card as a "backup" for the MB, isn't it still linked to MM+ and their ticket? If you use the MB to enter the park, the system should note that that "ticket" is in use that day. -- it shouldn't matter what media is used to refer to the ticket (MB, KTTW card, AP card, "paper" ticket from Undercover Tourist, etc.) since they all are linked to the same ticket.

The way you are describing it, it makes it seem like people are given some generic KTTW card which isn't tied to their ticket (or the guest at all) that just pulls legacy FP -- but that can't be right, since the KTTW they are given is also supposed to be active for room entry, charging, etc. which means it is linked to the person's stay and would almost certainly have the park tickets loaded on their as well.

Legacy FP machines do not speak to the MM+ system, hence the designed loophole. All KTTW cards have to pull FPs because it cannot check MM+ to know what is valid or not.

 

[LucyBC80]

Great find Kenny! And I agree Disney should have caught this way before they released the system in a wilde scale. I can see some people bent on riding every ride on every park on their 4 day trip trying to do this.

Me? I'm staying for 13 days and even if this is still viable in 338 days (doubtful) it's just way too much work to bother. I have no hurry to experience all the rides and I rather enjoy my time with my mom than stay connected to my iPhone the whole time I'm in the parks.

 

[kennythepirate]

I do a lot of advanced computer programming and it doesn't cease to amaze me that upwards of a billion dollars can be spent on IT (healthcare.gov, Fastpass+), and you get programming problems a high schooler could have prevented.

Kenny's explanation of how to get infinite FP+'s could be summed up with about 5 short bullet points (although we appreciate the in depth explanation). There is nothing difficult about it. The biggest "if" seems to be the spotty internet service in the parks. No one has mentioned that you could call/communicate with a family member/friend offsite and have them access MDE for you while you're in the park.

As for being able to reenter the FP+ line... that's the banana peal on this heap of steaming garbage. How can it get more elementary? If they didn't get these basic things right, I suspect all of MM+ was poorly thought-up, designed, and as we're seeing now, executed.

Correct. Yes, it is possible that someone from home could operate your MDE account from home. That's an even funnier version. "Hey, I'm about to board Peter Pan, make those changes....Okay, I double tapped, press done."

 

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I haven't had a chance to use the new Fastpass+ system yet but this
certainly sounds like "Kenny the Pirate" has found a huge flaw. He's
also not shy about sharing exactly how to exploit it with the world.

While I personally would like to see more than 3 Fastpass+ selections
(4-5 would be nice) this abuse can't help but hurt those individuals who
are still using the legacy Fastpass system.

 

[bcrook]

This is better than Primetime television.

 

[doctornick]

Legacy FP machines do not speak to the MM+ system, hence the designed loophole. All KTTW cards have to pull FPs because it cannot check MM+ to know what is valid or not.

I know that legacy FP machines are not connected to MM+ in any way. I'm not talking about that.

People have said that the "designed loophole" where old KTTW cards will pull legacy FP is because the "backup" KTTW cards that people are being given aren't connected to tickets. That doesn't make any sense to me.

Right now, people who check into on property resorts automatically get MBs. They (except for people staying at POP) can also get a KTTW card with a mag strip as a backup. Unless I am mistaken, that KTTW card works just like KTTW cards historically have -- they work as a room key, enable charging to your room and have park tickets loaded on them. So, for example, Joe Blow has a 5 day ticket linked to his MB via MM+. When he checks into his All Star Resort, they give him a KTTW card. This KTTW card will also be connected to Joe Blow's 5 day park ticket. When Joe Blow goes to Epcot and uses his MB at the gate to enter the park, the Disney system registers that his "park ticket" is in use that day at Epcot -- any item linked to that ticket (MB, KTTW card, paper ticket from UT, whatever) will register as the ticket being active for park entry that day. So, there should be no reason why the KTTW card cannot be used for a legacy FP because it will say the card is valid for pulling paper FP.

So, why would Disney put in a "designed loophole" that allows inactive KTTW cards to pull paper FP? It makes no sense. I don't think it was a "designed loophole" -- I personally think it is simply a mistake, one that Disney just isn't bothering to fix because they are getting rid of the paper FP machines soon enough anyway.

 

[delmar411]

I know that legacy FP machines are not connected to MM+ in any way. I'm not talking about that.

People have said that the "designed loophole" where old KTTW cards will pull legacy FP is because the "backup" KTTW cards that people are being given aren't connected to tickets. That doesn't make any sense to me.

Right now, people who check into on property resorts automatically get MBs. They (except for people staying at POP) can also get a KTTW card with a mag strip as a backup. Unless I am mistaken, that KTTW card works just like KTTW cards historically have -- they work as a room key, enable charging to your room and have park tickets loaded on them. So, for example, Joe Blow has a 5 day ticket linked to his MG via MM+. When he checks into his All Star Resort, they give him a KTTW card. This KTTW card will also be connected to Joe Blow's 5 day park ticket. When Joe Blow goes to Epcot and uses his MB at the gate to enter the park, the Disney system registers that his "park ticket" is in use that day at Epcot -- any item linked to that ticket (MB, KTTW card, paper ticket from UT, whatever) will register as the ticket being active for park entry that day. So, there should be no reason why the KTTW card cannot be used for a legacy FP because it will say the card is valid for pulling paper FP.

So, why would Disney put in a "designed loophole" that allows inactive KTTW cards to pull paper FP? It makes no sense. I don't think it was a "designed loophole" -- I personally think it is simply a mistake, one that Disney just isn't bothering to fix because they are getting rid of the paper FP machines soon enough anyway.

Ah I see what you are asking.

Why? Who knows really. You are correct that those with a Disney package have their tickets on both media and those with room only reservations who are going to the parks have stand alone ticket media that will pull FP-. Maybe it was designed to not work in the machine if you had a magic band and the only way to actually make it give FP- is for this coding change.

 

[kennythepirate]

I know that legacy FP machines are not connected to MM+ in any way. I'm not talking about that.

People have said that the "designed loophole" where old KTTW cards will pull legacy FP is because the "backup" KTTW cards that people are being given aren't connected to tickets. That doesn't make any sense to me.

Right now, people who check into on property resorts automatically get MBs. They (except for people staying at POP) can also get a KTTW card with a mag strip as a backup. Unless I am mistaken, that KTTW card works just like KTTW cards historically have -- they work as a room key, enable charging to your room and have park tickets loaded on them. So, for example, Joe Blow has a 5 day ticket linked to his MG via MM+. When he checks into his All Star Resort, they give him a KTTW card. This KTTW card will also be connected to Joe Blow's 5 day park ticket. When Joe Blow goes to Epcot and uses his MB at the gate to enter the park, the Disney system registers that his "park ticket" is in use that day at Epcot -- any item linked to that ticket (MB, KTTW card, paper ticket from UT, whatever) will register as the ticket being active for park entry that day. So, there should be no reason why the KTTW card cannot be used for a legacy FP because it will say the card is valid for pulling paper FP.

So, why would Disney put in a "designed loophole" that allows inactive KTTW cards to pull paper FP? It makes no sense. I don't think it was a "designed loophole" -- I personally think it is simply a mistake, one that Disney just isn't bothering to fix because they are getting rid of the paper FP machines soon enough anyway.

Things that have been mentioned on this board and other places that have worked to pull paper FP:
1. Room only hotel keys (KTTW), whether old or new. Exception is new Pop Century at this date.
2. Any current ticket media including any type of annual pass
3. Any current KTTW that has current ticket media attached.

Old KTTW that had tickets attached, but expired do not work in FP machines.

Thus, many people donned it as "double dipping" to use a current ticket media and a room only or current KTTW card. I called it "triple dippin" when people use FP+ in addition.

I'm not speaking to the right or wrong of using any of these mediums, just that it has been done.

 

[kennythepirate]

Thank you for contacting the Walt Disney World® Resort.

Thank you for the information you have sent us. This is a situation that
is currently being worked on and we hope to have a resolution soon.

If you have questions or need further assistance, feel free to contact
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Sincerely,
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I haven't had a chance to use the new Fastpass+ system yet but this
certainly sounds like "Kenny the Pirate" has found a huge flaw. He's
also not shy about sharing exactly how to exploit it with the world.

While I personally would like to see more than 3 Fastpass+ selections
(4-5 would be nice) this abuse can't help but hurt those individuals who
are still using the legacy Fastpass system.

I have a similiar type email that I received 2 1/2 weeks ago when I reported it myself!

 

[bcrook]

I have a similiar type email that I received 2 1/2 weeks ago when I reported it myself!

. Nicely played.