FP + What we know and what we want to know

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I think the complaints they heard were that people couldn't get FastPasses for popular rides if they didn't arrive in the parks early. I also think that they heard people comment on the SB lines being extremely slow because of FP lines always being allowed through first, particularly during peak season(s).

I haven't been commenting much on these threads about FP+ because a lot is still speculative. That said, despite the fact that my touring plans are designed almost to the minute so I usually know how long it takes me to get from Ride A to Ride B, or Show C to Show D, the vast majority of people going to the parks do not have this knowledge. In my opinion, that is one of the biggest flaws of booking FP+ 60 days out. Knowing where you are going to be when a FP+ window opens for you becomes problematic. And designing your plan around these windows may work for the first, and maybe even the second one, but not the third one.

The other flaw, equally monumental in size, is that it takes away the opportunity to be spontaneous. Although I may design my touring plans to the minute, that does not mean I follow them "to the minute". All it does is allow me to make "informed decisions" on the fly. I can adapt very easily because I know what the consequence will be if I change anything on the touring plan. I can walk by something and see the line is shorter than I anticipated, so I can jump in. I can see that a FP- is available for the time I want, and grab it.

I am still open to believing that they will have found a way to ensure there are FPs+ available for headliners during the day of your visit, but I think that time will very quickly pass once people start getting the hang of the new system. So the argument of being able to pull out my smartphone to see what's available doesn't wash for me, because I fall into the camp of believing the ones I want will be all gone 60 days out.

I think Disney has missed the point of "pre-planning" as a guest experience. Things will be much more inflexible, and again, although I almost micro-mange the planning experience, I don't micro-manage my actual visit.

I know in other industries that I have exposure to, that technology is often used for "resource-planning" by the company. They want to be able to schedule the right number of staff to meet the requirements of the expected number of customers. It is my belief that this is the biggest driver of moving to this technology. It is all about Disney's bottom line, but I am not arguing the "guest-spending" - i.e. income - side, but rather the "staff wages" - i.e. expenses- side. They want to reduce expenses while still trying to convince themselves they are providing a better guest experience by "anticipating" what the customer wants.

I'm not convinced yet . I am desperately hoping they roll out new information to convince me this will enhance my experience, but I'm not holding my breath. They are taking away my ability to be spontaneous, which means taking away all the magic and the pixiedust: That is not going to provide this guest with a better experience. If my conclusions above prove to be correct, it will be about detracting from my experience. Full stop.
 
I think the complaints they heard were that people couldn't get FastPasses for popular rides if they didn't arrive in the parks early.

I'm always surprised when I heard this as a complaint. We almost never get into the parks before 11am, sometimes not before 2pm if there are really late EMH hours. We never had any trouble getting FP's, except TSM and sometimes Soarin'.
 
I'm always surprised when I heard this as a complaint. We almost never get into the parks before 11am, sometimes not before 2pm if there are really late EMH hours. We never had any trouble getting FP's, except TSM and sometimes Soarin'.

I suspect those 2 rides alone probably make up more than half the complaints about "FPs run out too early in the day..."
 

Has anyone been told that they HAVE to use FP+... I thought this was something that is optional? If you don't like having to schedule your rides and don't like anything about the new FP+ system, then not use it. Until they make it mandatory I don't see why everyone is worrying. This is another option for those people who want to make sure that they can ride TSM without having to be there at RD to run over there and grab a FP. So for them it is great, for everyone else who is talking about how bad of an idea this is... don't use it!

Just my opinion
 
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You don't have to use it.. but eventually there will be no old-fashion FP.

For whatever reason that salient point isn't sticking.
 
I guess because nothing official has come out from Disney. :confused3 There are rumours, but Disney has released no real information.

What's entirely a rumor is the concept that you'll be able to get old-fashion FP once FP+ goes live.

We know FP+ is replacing FP and they intend to do away with FP entirely.
 
What's entirely a rumor is the concept that you'll be able to get old-fashion FP once FP+ goes live.

We know FP+ is replacing FP and they intend to do away with FP entirely.

Actually we don't know anything because Disney hasn't made any official statement about the new system and what it means for the regular FP. Until they do, I'll believe everything else to be a rumour, conjecture or a possibility.
 
In one of his numerous posts yesterday, mousermerf mentioned that this will be ready to roll as early as Jan 21. He never elaborated why that day or what the significance was for it.

The RFID turnstyles at MK will be ready?

Android will FINALLY get an update to the app so they can see all the things that iOS can? (Because its pretty useless right now)

And I agree that the idea that we will get a full 60 days notice before implementation is highly unlikely. Its not like anyone ahead of you got a jump start.

As for the latest rumor about your 3 per day being limited to only 2 headliners... :mad: The hits just keep on coming....

Lastly, I find it amusing that we are such a small minority that Disney doesn't care about our opinion, or how it will affect us, but yet we are a big enough group that our FP practices managed to mess up the whole system for everyone (which "forced" this change).

Bolded mine...Thank you for my first true laugh out loud moment of the day. I agree.
 
You don't have to use it.. but eventually there will be no old-fashion FP.

For whatever reason that salient point isn't sticking.

I think we both know when people want to opt out, they aren't saying they want to not use the new system. They are saying they prefer to use the old system.

It's not sinking in because it's hard to believe. I think people just can't wrap their heads around the fact that Diseny would follow through and limit people to 3 FPs per day, no more than one per attraction, and not all headliners. That Disney would truly have the guts to cut the guest experience roughly in half and call it an "enhancement".
 
What's entirely a rumor is the concept that you'll be able to get old-fashion FP once FP+ goes live.

We know FP+ is replacing FP and they intend to do away with FP entirely.

Actually we don't know anything because Disney hasn't made any official statement about the new system and what it means for the regular FP. Until they do, I'll believe everything else to be a rumour, conjecture or a possibility.

Agreed. "Old FP is going away" is still a rumor as far as I know. On the first page of this thread, it is listed under "things we don't know yet."
 
Even with all my "gloom and doom" I really don't think anything is going to sell out in the 60th day (or whatever the first bookable day will be). But I do see TSMM and Soarin selling out in advance once everyone is on the system and knows how to use it. Just how far in advance will depend on time of year etc.

I agree...I really don't believe things will run out at 60 days also. But I can see the ones that complain about passes running out early in the day will be the ones that complain that those same passes are running out 10 or 15 pass before their trip. And how about when they do try to pre-book and find that the only times left to pick from are early morning which they didn't want to do to begin with because most of the ones that complain about passes running out too soon are the ones that don't want to do RD. We always go in June and the only ride I have seen passes run out early on is TSM. Maybe this is a sign that this park needs more to do and not a sign that the whole FP system needs to change.

DW is the only theme park I have taken my 6 year DS to (7 times) even though we live within 2 hours of a Carowinds and 3 hours of a Six Flags. And all because of the way the current FP system worked. We never waited more than 30 minutes to ride anything and last year rode almost everything at MK. I have almost always returned during my appointed FP time and still have been able to enjoy everything we wanted to do. I guess I just didn't see where there were problems with the system. It worked great for us.

Another thing I have wondered about. This past year we were a party of 4. We went and got 4 FPs for SM, my DS's favorite ride. My DH and DS rode once and then used mine and my mom's FP's to ride again. Is that even going to be possible anymore? If I can allow my child to enjoy his favorite ride more than once instead of me, that is what I wish to do. I would rather him ride 2 times than for us both to ride once. I just haven't been sure if this will be possible with the new system. Does anyone have any ideas??
 
What's entirely a rumor is the concept that you'll be able to get old-fashion FP once FP+ goes live.

We know FP+ is replacing FP and they intend to do away with FP entirely.

Maybe most are hoping that both will be in play at the time of their vacation. I know I am.
 
Another thing I have wondered about. This past year we were a party of 4. We went and got 4 FPs for SM, my DS's favorite ride. My DH and DS rode once and then used mine and my mom's FP's to ride again. Is that even going to be possible anymore? If I can allow my child to enjoy his favorite ride more than once instead of me, that is what I wish to do. I would rather him ride 2 times than for us both to ride once. I just haven't been sure if this will be possible with the new system. Does anyone have any ideas??

I don't see any reason he couldn't go in with someone else's band from your party. You know...... until they start implanting chips in our arms.
 
I think we both know when people want to opt out, they aren't saying they want to not use the new system. They are saying they prefer to use the old system.

It's not sinking in because it's hard to believe. I think people just can't wrap their heads around the fact that Diseny would follow through and limit people to 3 FPs per day, no more than one per attraction, and not all headliners. That Disney would truly have the guts to cut the guest experience roughly in half and call it an "enhancement".

I believe that Disney would do away with FP. If they did, for us personally it would work better simply to ride standby and not have to keep looking at our watch all day to make sure we get our FP+ times. We also tour with countless "free" days where we wake up and decide where to go. FP+ wouldn't work for us at all in our instance.
 
Maybe most are hoping that both will be in play at the time of their vacation. I know I am.

I agree. I think a lot of the folks posting are paying the most attention because they have trips planned in the next few months when this is expected to be in transition.

And believe it or not, most folks are most concerned about how this affects THEIR trip as opposed to the collective whole.
 
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