FP + What we know and what we want to know

[bcrook]

Both of those guys have jobs to do, presumably.

Yes, yes they do. And one of those jobs is to answer questions on the blog. They were happy to kick off the program and generate excitement, but bailed when they were asked good questions. It's not fair to give them a pass on that.

 

[Cinderumbrella]

It would be interesting to see what they had the testers complete, if anything, after they completed the testing.

There were many facets of this to test.

And just because they tested it one way, doesnt mean its the final product.

I agree. Has anyone listed the survey questions asked on any threads?

 

[mousermerf]

Once again, the people who post here do not represent the average WDW guest - the people who were the majority of guests tested for the FP+ testing period.

No matter how many times it is said the immediate conclusion is that a few posters here somehow represent a larger group (actually they represent the smallest one) and their experience is universal (it is not, far from it.)

Then you have the folks who say they know all this and insist on posting about how awful it will be for them personally because of their personal situation. What exactly is the point of those posts if you accept that you're not a representative of the larger whole and know that your individual circumstance will not be used as the benchmark for the success or failure of this project..? That one just baffles me.

 

[bcrook]

It will be doom/gloom for certain types of guests. That's a given.

How much those people matter (the answer is generally that they dont as a minority) is really what should be discussed.

I've yet to see an intelligent or well articulated argument for why anyone should be allowed to ride something 6 times in a day with less than 20 minute waits while 5 other families are forced to wait 2 hours or more or not ride at all.

I honestly can't understand that statement either. What we know is that we will have 3 FP+ a day. We may or may not be able to use them on 3 e ticket rides, and we won't be able to reserve 1 in one park and 2 in another. This is very limiting and most people are not advocating for 6 times in a day for less than 20 minutes - People are advocating for more than the limits that are being imposed by FP+.

 

[mousermerf]

I honestly can't understand that statement either. What we know is that we will have 3 FP+ a day. We may or may not be able to use them on 3 e ticket rides, and we won't be able to reserve 1 in one park and 2 in another. This is very limiting and most people are not advocating for 6 times in a day for less than 20 minutes - People are advocating for more than the limits that are being imposed by FP+.

You will not be allowed to use them for 3 e-ticket rides. I don't understand why that belief persists.

 

[doggydoc]

You will not be allowed to use them for 3 e-ticket rides. I don't understand why that belief persists.

Because as far as I have read they haven't said you can't. We don't even know if the 3 prescheduled FP's will be the only ones we get yet. You keep posting as if you have some kind of inside knowledge. If you do then share it or at least let us know how you got it. we might be more likely to give your arguments weight.

 

[mousermerf]

Because as far as I have read they haven't said you can't. We don't even know if the 3 prescheduled FP's will be the only ones we get yet. You keep posting as if you have some kind of inside knowledge. If you do then share it or at least let us know how you got it. we might be more likely to give your arguments weight.

I prefer to let being right continue to bolster my reputation and the weight of anything I say. You can believe whatever you want, but that wont change the truth.

 

[bcrook]

Once again, the people who post here do not represent the average WDW guest - the people who were the majority of guests tested for the FP+ testing period.

No matter how many times it is said the immediate conclusion is that a few posters here somehow represent a larger group (actually they represent the smallest one) and their experience is universal (it is not, far from it.)

Then you have the folks who say they know all this and insist on posting about how awful it will be for them personally because of their personal situation. What exactly is the point of those posts if you accept that you're not a representative of the larger whole and know that your individual circumstance will not be used as the benchmark for the success or failure of this project..? That one just baffles me.

This may be at the heart of the disconnect here. It seems you are suggesting that this whole change will be good overall for Disney, and that anybody who doesn't see that needs to re-evaluate their opinion.

But others, at least me, are looking at this as how much it WILL affect OUR vacations because we have thousands and thousands of dollars on the line for UPCOMING VACATIONS. I really don't care how this helps Disney's bottom line. I am sure it is going to be great for DISNEY!!!

I have to decide what kind of ticket I am buying for my June trip (already lost out on PAP through DVC at discount rate because of lack of information). I am trying to decide if I should continue to ask guests to come with me in October for Food and Wine. I no longer know how this will shake out. It is pretty clear that my experience is going to be lessened. Now I just have to decide if my groups $10,000 commitment should be lessened too. Or whether my group should spend that $10,000 at Universal/IoA or SeaWorld.

I really appreciate the keen insights of those that tour like me. That is why I started the thread, to hear from them. That is why I am keeping track of the information in responsible way, so I can make sound decisions.

I look forward to the continued discussion.

 

[doggydoc]

I prefer to let being right continue to bolster my reputation and the weight of anything I say. You can believe whatever you want, but that wont change the truth.

You were wrong in your assertion that FP+ testers did not also used regular FP's. Why should we believe anything else you say?

 

[mousermerf]

You were wrong in your assertion that FP+ testers did not also used regular FP's. Why should we believe anything else you say?

No, I said Disney knew what they did or didn't - and I misspoke in suggesting "all" didn't when it was simply the majority.

 

[bcrook]

Disney does not want you riding an attraction more than once. I dont get why that's so hard to accept.

It is EASY to believe that is their goal. It is VERY DIFFICULT to ACCEPT. IT won't make people happy. But it might get them out of lines and into stores (or as Mom2rtk keeps saying - in lines at U/IoA)

A very logical and eloquent post. But it loses steam when you get to the sentence quoted above. If everyone wants more than 3 FP+ per day (even the people who are leading the cheers for the new system...and I agree with your premise here), and we don't get them, how does this play into your conclusion that the ultimate goal is to make everyone happy? Haven't they done the one thing that will make people complain and downgrade their Trip Advisor rating? It seems to me that there are two camps developing. Those that are assuming that the 3 FP+ system with one e-ticket will be implemented as stated with no FP1.0 option available, and those who are hoping that this is not the case and that the allotment will increase. I'm not sure I hear anyone saying that the 3 FP+ per day system is an improvement. Only those who hope it will not roll out the way we are assuming it will.

Yes, I think the people who say everything is going to be ok, its not that big of a deal are still hoping that we same day FP+ opportunity in addition to the Advance FP+. I have to agree if we get three advance FP+, we can use them on multiple e-tickets, and then we have the ability to pull more in the park. It would be great for everything other than having to plan way in advance for TSMM (Missyrose's recent post).

Hey, how about this for a plan.....

Stay on US property. Buy multi day tix for each park (Those out days are really the least expensive anyway). Instead of park hopping between Disney parks....... park hop between US and Disney. 2 half days at the MK will get you double the number of headline FPs as 1 full day. Book all your Disney FPs grouped together for the AM or the PM, go to US the other half of the day. FP+ certainly makes this a much more doable plan than ever before. And so far it seems there won't be a "penalty" for not staying on Disney property.

I haven't been to US since 2004. Mostly because I didn''t like their Express Pass system. But Disney might just get me to give it a second look.

Actually, this is a solid plan!

 

[finedice]

Exactly.

Which is why this is NOT simply about just one thing. So much has gone into it and the TRUE why will never be known by anyone who wasn't sitting in the many, many R&D meetings. I don't care what is said to the media, travel agents, trade groups and the like. They can spin it anyway they want but they don't have to tell us the REAL reason why (and I don't expect them to).

Read the privacy statement about MDe and the wristbands in particular. They have indeed stated it clearly. Everyone keeps asking for "the fine print", but it's right there. Just like real fine print, it is intended to be glossed over or missed completely. To me - it's a little scary.

 

[bcrook]

Read the privacy statement about MDe and the wristbands in particular. They have indeed stated it clearly. Everyone keeps asking for "the fine print", but it's right there. Just like real fine print, it is intended to be glossed over or missed completely. To me - it's a little scary.

I have read it all. I agree completely.

 

[WillAustin]

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But others, at least me, are looking at this as how much it WILL affect OUR vacations because we have thousands and thousands of dollars on the line for UPCOMING VACATIONS. I really don't care how this helps Disney's bottom line. I am sure it is going to be great for DISNEY!!!

I have to decide what kind of ticket I am buying for my June trip (already lost out on PAP through DVC at discount rate because of lack of information). I am trying to decide if I should continue to ask guests to come with in October for Food and Wine. I no longer know how this will shake out. It is pretty clear that my experience is going to be lessened. Now I just have to decide if my groups $10,000 commitment should be lessened too. Or whether my group should spend that $10,000 at Universal/IoA or SeaWorld.

I really appreciate the keen insights of those that tour like me. That is why I started the thread, to hear from them. That is why I am keeping track of the information in responsible way, so I can make sound decisions.

I look forward to the continued discussion.

I'm right there with you. I look forward to the discussion as well.

 

[JaimeA]

No, I said Disney knew what they did or didn't - and I misspoke in suggesting "all" didn't when it was simply the majority.

Please correct me if I am wrong but are you saying that the test group consisted of some people that could use both Fp+ and Fp and others could only use Fp+ ? I know one person who was tested and they used both and I read reviews on the dis where they used both. I didn't see any that could only use the Fp+

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[mousermerf]

Please correct me if I am wrong but are you saying that the test group consisted of some people that could use both Fp+ and Fp and others could only use Fp+ ? I know one person who was tested and they used both and I read reviews on the dis where they used both. I didn't see any that could only use the Fp+

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Folks really do seem to be reading what they want out of comments..

The large group of people tested all could use both.. most did not choose to do so.

 

[tj4disney]

Disney does not want you riding an attraction more than once. I dont get why that's so hard to accept.

I think this statement is true. Disney is clearly "redistributing the wealth" in order to have more customers experience more rides (at the expense of...what...5%? 10%?? who "override" today. It can't be too small of a percentage, because that wouldn't have had that much effect, but it can't be too big either, because that's alot of potential dissatisfaction).

So let's take this out a few years...some percentage of us veterans who become dissatisfied, stop going. No big deal because...1) newbies who got to experience more rides will become repeat customers, and 2) good word of mouth from newbies to non-attenders. The corrolary to 2) is that customer satisfation surveys will show that waiting in lines is no longer a barrier, which can also be marketed to non-attenders.

My question is this...for newbies who eventually become repeat customers, will they continue to be satisfied with the "ride everything once" mentality? Or will they start going "Figment...meh...". Now, since they didn't know of the old days when you could actually ride your favorite attractions many times, maybe they'll just accept that this is what a Disney vacation is, and be fine with it. But I think that's a risk Disney is exposing itself to.

Or, does Disney not really care about those potential dissatisfied newbie veterans either, and just figure that there's a huge pool of non-attenders that they can keep drawing from??

 

[finedice]

I have read it all. I agree completely.

Is it legal to post a link to it in the original post?

 

[doconeill]

Folks really do seem to be reading what they want out of comments..

The large group of people tested all could use both.. most did not choose to do so.

Do they know _why_ they chose not to? And which did they choose not to do? (I'm assuming they chose not to use regular FP)

 

[finedice]

I think this statement is true. Disney is clearly "redistributing the wealth" in order to have more customers experience more rides (at the expense of...what...5%? 10%?? who "override" today. It can't be too small of a percentage, because that wouldn't have had that much effect, but it can't be too big either, because that's alot of potential dissatisfaction).

So let's take this out a few years...some percentage of us veterans who become dissatisfied, stop going. No big deal because...1) newbies who got to experience more rides will become repeat customers, and 2) good word of mouth from newbies to non-attenders. The corrolary to 2) is that customer satisfation surveys will show that waiting in lines is no longer a barrier, which can also be marketed to non-attenders.

My question is this...for newbies who eventually become repeat customers, will they continue to be satisfied with the "ride everything once" mentality? Or will they start going "Figment...meh...". Now, since they didn't know of the old days when you could actually ride your favorite attractions many times, maybe they'll just accept that this is what a Disney vacation is, and be fine with it. But I think that's a risk Disney is exposing itself to.

Or, does Disney not really care about those potential dissatisfied newbie veterans either, and just figure that there's a huge pool of non-attenders that they can keep drawing from??

We are training the future repeat customers... they are our children.