FP + What we know and what we want to know

[estherhead]

I think you've counted well! I would just argue that an unscientific (quite skewed) sample, by definition, isn't really telling.

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The only people posting on this thread are the Disney obsessed (I'm not judging, I'm proud to be one) and the new people who are freaking out from our obsessive banter. We are not a normal sample. Actually, we are just plain not normal.

 

[Tink10]

Anyone who would like to explain how they stand to make a billion+ on this whole thing, feel free. I'm not seeing it.

It certainly won't be an immediate return, but it's an investment. Disney has always been a frontrunner in entertainment technology and I believe that this is the future of theme park experiences.

It will save Disney money in a number of areas, enhance the entire Guest experience and also give incredible amounts of data that can be used for marketing to current and future Guests.

Over time, that means billions of $$$

 

[mousermerf]

And I just want to point out for the parking lot analogy nonsense..

Disney does not park anyone "upfront" based on arrival time to reward you for arriving early. They park the lots based on what works logistically for them. They have and will continue to park the rear lots or further away lots first on days when they need to modify the parking schedule to allow for adequate space.

The lots of Epcot are a perfect example of this. One of the furthest lots (Wonders) is parked early in the morning if they anticipate peak crowds.

Disney will do what is good for Disney and guests as a whole, not what is good for for "you" because you think you've met some criteria to be entitled to it.

 

[doconeill]

Notes:

"Resort Package" identifies a room with tickets in Disney-speak. Once again, it's linked to tickets.

Yup, I know that

And the group selection is, from what I've heard, based on preferences made in the tiers. You'll still have some ability to designate what you want, but not cherry-pick, and if you don't or your desires don't match availability Disney will make "recommendations."

What's interesting is this coincides with increase rumblings about the FP+s selections being in a "pack". At first I thought was misinterpreting about the "FastPick" option, but then the T&C change...may be purely coincidental. I was just surprised to see that.

And one more time before people freak out.. It is tied to admission media. The resort "package" just designates people as having valid tickets 'on hold' so to speak. APs and guests with 'paper' tickets will register with their barcode as mentioned when this all started. No ticket in hand, no FP+ reservations. Military, CM, YES, etc.. tickets are not a priority.

A re-reading of what I think was in the last section about MYW ticket holders and the 60 days - they could conceivably give YES, RunDisney, etc. tickets less time to reserve, if any at all.

 

[pigletto]

Notes:

"Resort Package" identifies a room with tickets in Disney-speak. Once again, it's linked to tickets.

And the group selection is, from what I've heard, based on preferences made in the tiers. You'll still have some ability to designate what you want, but not cherry-pick, and if you don't or your desires don't match availability Disney will make "recommendations."

And one more time before people freak out.. It is tied to admission media. The resort "package" just designates people as having valid tickets 'on hold' so to speak. APs and guests with 'paper' tickets will register with their barcode as mentioned when this all started. No ticket in hand, no FP+ reservations. Military, CM, YES, etc.. tickets are not a priority.

Interesting for those of us who are holding on to 2 day tickets we had to get to qualify for free dining. I won't be able to upgrade them until I get there, and therefore wouldn't be able to make many fastpass + reservations, despite my room reservation in that scenario correct?

Can't wait to to get the 8 am slot for Country Bears and Stitch

 

[finedice]

The more I think about it, the more I realize that WDW doesn't care if we cut back our park days and spend some at Universal because we're frustrated with SB lines -- they make much more from us in the first few days of a park pass.

I don't agree with this at all. At least in our case, we spend less on the hardcore park days early on, than we do on days later in the trip when we are looking for additional thrills to the major parks. The later days in the trip are where I'm more likely to be at DTD, on a golf course, taking a boat ride, or a bass fishing trip etc. I have already paid the admission, so the extra dollars are gravy for Disney.

Oh!...and by the way - I'm not pulling FPs at those times either!

 

[doconeill]

Interesting for those of us who are holding on to 2 day tickets we had to get to qualify for free dining. I won't be able to upgrade them until I get there, and therefore wouldn't be able to make many fastpass + reservations, despite my room reservation in that scenario correct?

Can't wait to to get the 8 am slot for Country Bears and Stitch

We don't know how they will handle current ticket length vs. ability to upgrade.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

The only people posting on this thread are the Disney obsessed (I'm not judging, I'm proud to be one) and the new people who are freaking out from our obsessive banter. We are not a normal sample. Actually, we are just plain not normal.

Agreed -- on all points.

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[DAZY3BYZ]

One E-ticket per day has been discussed for quite some time...

I know. I just don't like it.

 

[mousermerf]

Yup, I know that



What's interesting is this coincides with increase rumblings about the FP+s selections being in a "pack". At first I thought was misinterpreting about the "FastPick" option, but then the T&C change...may be purely coincidental. I was just surprised to see that.



A re-reading of what I think was in the last section about MYW ticket holders and the 60 days - they could conceivably give YES, RunDisney, etc. tickets less time to reserve, if any at all.

I suspect the various other tickets will become pre-order reserved media that the system can recognize, like AP vouchers. People tend to think of APs as something different than a regular MYW ticket. They're not, they're just a MYW ticket with a ton of days admission programmed into them as far as the computer is concerned. If an AP voucher can be recognized by the system, so can the others if preordered. Anything you cant preorder? Tough.

And a lot of people have griped to me about CM tickets and Main gates.. I remind them: "We work while others play." CMs can be bumped out of resorts, have their admission canceled without notice, and are told they must defer highly desired reservations for dining and big ticket items for shopping to guest demand FIRST before they are allowed purchase. Not bing able to reserve FP+ is no different - aka: ya'll dont get priority over guests.

 

[CuteAsMinnie]

Here's something fun for you all to read.


http://www.math.ucla.edu/~lvese/MCM_ICM/mcmPaperCU-team381.pdf

All that actually makes a bit of sense, not that I at all understand the formulas or graphs Wonder if Disney know about any of it???

 

[Planogirl]

I don't agree with this at all. At least in our case, we spend less on the hardcore park days early on, than we do on days later in the trip when we are looking for additional thrills to the major parks. The later days in the trip are where I'm more likely to be at DTD, on a golf course, taking a boat ride, or a bass fishing trip etc. I have already paid the admission, so the extra dollars are gravy for Disney.

Oh!...and by the way - I'm not pulling FPs at those times either!

Actually you might both be right. Disney could be OK with you spending fewer days in the parks hoping that you'll shop or play some sport or whatever which of course adds more profit. Who knows? Disney sure isn't telling.

I can't stand this thread yet I can't stay away. Someone should start the new Fastpass Abusement Society so that we can have meetings and events.

 

[mousermerf]

We don't know how they will handle current ticket length vs. ability to upgrade.

Yes we do. Longstanding policy is that Disney (I almost said "we" - that's how many times I gave that speech to a guest at work previously) do not give benefits/perks on speculative purchases. You must meet the criteria at the time of booking.

 

[Sammie]

Actually you might both be right. Disney could be OK with you spending fewer days in the parks hoping that you'll shop or play some sport or whatever which of course adds more profit. Who knows? Disney sure isn't telling.

I can't stand this thread yet I can't stay away. Someone should start the new Fastpass Abusement Society so that we can have meetings and events. ;)

It is without a doubt the Ultimate DIS Trainwreck

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I can't stand this thread yet I can't stay away. Someone should start the new Fastpass Abusement Society so that we can have meetings and events.

OMG -- same here!!! I posted earlier that I was going to just wait for real info, and I got sucked back in!! LOL!!!

Look: don't anyone discuss statistics, representative samples, etc., or draw general/larger conclusions based on pure conjecture, and it'll be easier for me to stay away... oh, wait...

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[jaz0308]

please forgive me if I am not quite understanding the basic thought so far. I usually buy military tickets upon arrival on property. Am I understanding that I will not be able to reserve fp+ times without my tickets in hand? I understand that everything right now is speculative but am trying to get a basic hold on the idea and also considering if I will advance purchase myw passes instead of waiting for the discounted military passes. If it matters, I have a split stay btw SOG and Poly.

 

[cmwade77]

I thought of an interesting way that this system could be used to adjust average guest flow. For guests staying onsite, they could offer a room credit (based off how much you paid, how much it helps them, etc.) to take and keep a low demand FP at a time where doing so would keep you out of a high demand area, such as Spaceship earth or the land during Illuminations. If you didn't keep your FP, you simply wouldn't get that room credit. Now of course they would have to work out ride breakdowns, etc. into that.

When you actually stop to think about what the possibilities of this system really could be, it is amazing.

Like I have said before, I think we are all jumping the gun a bit on this and I am trying to withhold judgement until this new system is fully implemented.

 

[racinjunkie]

I consider myself pretty Disney obsessed by I'm clearly quite outclassed in this company ) I'm wondering how you all would suggest I stay up to date on the facts. I'm subscribed to this thread but it's completely overwhelming to me but I need the sub to find out if the first post is edited, correct? Any suggestions?

 

[Doug7856]

I can't stand this thread yet I can't stay away. Someone should start the new Fastpass Abusement Society so that we can have meetings and events.

I'm right there with you!

 

[cmwade77]

Yes we do. Longstanding policy is that Disney (I almost said "we" - that's how many times I gave that speech to a guest at work previously) do not give benefits/perks on speculative purchases. You must meet the criteria at the time of booking.

But perhaps the new system will allow online upgrades somehow.