FP question for those who have been to DLR and WDW

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Okay, let me preface this with it looks like I'll be getting my Disney fix twice this year. If all goes as planned we're going to WDW the week of Christmas w/my parents! Yikes, I know!

I got so used to being able to "work" the system well at DLR with the fastpasses. I got new fastpasses as soon as the window opened for my other ones. I used them any time after the beginning of my window, and frequently long after the window "closed" (thanks Diser's for that tip), and was able to get some two hours after the previous ones for FP that weren't open until late at night. I had three at a time once by combining the above!

Anyway, it's been three years since I've been to WDW, and fast pass was "relatively" new at that point. We weren't there for very long and only used fast pass a couple of times and went back during the window. Since we're going at such a busy time, FP useage is very important.

So, my question for those who have been to both, what are the differences? Will my tricks work at WDW? Do I have to return during the window? Can I get another one within two hours? Can I get another one once the window has opened?

Thanks so much!!!
 
If all goes as planned we're going to WDW the week of Christmas w/my parents! Yikes, I know!

We were there in December from the 25th to January 1st. . . . I have never been to DL (yet) so I do not have tips in that regard, BUT I HIGHLY suggest getting tour guide mike . . . because of him (and I think it only cost $20) we always were at the right park - short waits and were able to ride everything several time (like EE 4 times in one day, Space Mountain 5 times one day, etc). Good luck!

As for the Fastpasses, from what I have read they seem exactly the same - except for what rides are connected to the system and which are not . . . I do not know of any disconnected rides at WDW. . .
 
Adi is pretty much correct. The FP systems work the same but have a few more subtle differences. In the big picture the 40-120 minute delays between FP pickups is the same. The acceptance of FP after the one-hour window is the same.

I listed my thoughts on how they compare in this thread "An Introduction To WDW For DLR Vets" www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=16541636. Here is an excerpt:

15. FastPass

WDW has a FP system that works very similarly to DLR’s. If you are a FP expert at DLR, here are some things you should know that work differently at WDW:

1. There are no disconnected FP machines like DLR’s GRR or RR.

2. Expired FP’s – DLR has accepted expired FPs on the same day for many years now. It is known to be policy at DLR. WDW has been less consistent than DLR in this area, and it is more common at WDW to have an expired FP rejected by a CM. However, we used expired FPs on numerous occasions without any rejections at WDW.

3. FP Windows – If you get into DLR at opening and get a FP, the return window is typically 40-45 minutes away. WDW parks are more unusual here. At MK they typically add a one-hour delayed window to FPs obtained at park opening, and then 40-45 minutes thereafter similar to DLR. But the other three parks do not seem to do this for some reason. Some parks will give you a window two hours away, but then list on your FP ticket that you can get another FP before that window opens (maybe in 45 minutes). DLR has never done anything like this in my experience. It is thus important at WDW to pay attention to both the FP windows and the printed time on the FP for when you can get your next FP.

4. FP Distribution When Rides Are Down – In my experience at DLR, when a ride goes down, the FP machines are always taken down as well. If a ride goes down at WDW, they may keep the FP machines going when they think the delay is not going to be too long. This really confused me one morning when Expedition Everest at AK did not open until two hours after the park opened due to mechanical problems, but they kept giving out FPs the entire time. I could not figure out whether to get a FP or not, and I did not like that the window was two hours later which would disrupt my next planned FP pickup an hour later. I was thus pleasantly surprised when I got the EE FP that although the window was two hours away, it told me I could pick up my next FP in 45 minutes.

5. FP and EMH – There have been reports that FPs are distributed during Extra Magic Hours, but in most people’s experience they are not distributed – except at MK for morning EMH. Since we never visited EMH parks I did not get to see this first hand.
 
Okay, I feel like an idiot, I didn't even look in your thread, HydroGuy! And, I know better! Duh!!!! Thanks for posting for me!

Oh, and I'll take a peek at Tour Guide Mike for the trip! Thanks for that idea!
 

The use of late fastpasses is a hot topic of debate at WDW. It is not generally accepted at WDW as it is in DL. Many have been refused entry into the fastpass queue if the return time has passed. Also many WDW DISers frown upon the use of late fastpass. I have never used a late Fastpass at WDW and don't intend to. I will however, use them at DL, because it is a generally accepted practice.

Do a search on the subject in the Theme Park Strategy Board in the WDW section and you will see what I mean.
 
The use of late fastpasses is a hot topic of debate at WDW. It is not generally accepted at WDW as it is in DL. Many have been refused entry into the fastpass queue if the return time has passed. Also many WDW DISers frown upon the use of late fastpass. I have never used a late Fastpass at WDW and don't intend to. I will however, use them at DL, because it is a generally accepted practice.

Do a search on the subject in the Theme Park Strategy Board in the WDW section and you will see what I mean.


I will add to this by saying that the week you are going is THE BUSIEST WEEK at WDW, so your odds of being "turned down" for using a late fastpass will increase due to high crowds during this time.

Generally speaking, I wouldn't necessarily chance it.
 
Just a note - I have NEVER been refused the use of a late fast pass - and we usually go to WDW several times a year. I dunno what the debate is, but they have always let us on, no questions asked . . . including the busiest time of the year - December 25 - January 1. . . . and we used late fastpasses AT LEAST two times each day. . .
 
Granted we went to WDW at slower times, but we never had a "late" FP turned down. In fact the WDW board here gave using them as a tip and so do other knowledgeable people.

Have to second trying Tour Guide Mike. His website access isn't expensive, and he's dead on about his information.
 
Granted we went to WDW at slower times, but we never had a "late" FP turned down. In fact the WDW board here gave using them as a tip [rest of quote removed by poster]
Everyone who uses TGM agrees not to share his tips publicly. I suspect you did this inadvertently here, but you really shouldn't say things like this here.

Have to second trying him. His website access isn't expensive, and he's dead on about his information. Hydro Guy is my Tour Guide Mike for DLR. I'm going to test out all his advice on our trip in June.
I need to tell you where to send me your $20 like you pay for TGM. ;)

For those not familiar with TGM, he offers much more at WDW than what I do for DLR. My "specialty" is heavily focused around touring the parks, getting on rides, and avoiding pitfalls which waste time - so that you can tour the parks more and get on more rides. ;)

TGM offers advice on hotels, restaurants, transportation around WDW and to and from the airport, shows, water parks, as well as touring. And his advice is tied together with a common "TGM" philosophy. Plus he is in the WDW parks regularly. I am only at DLR once a year or so. It is a huge difference. My DLR advice is very narrow. Others folks here on DIS DLR can much better address the other issues such as hotels, restaurants, visiting during off-season, etc.

So why is there no TGM-like resource for DLR? With DLR attracting only about half the annual visitors of WDW, and with many more DLR visitors being locals on day trips (who would not be interested in something like TGM), the number of potential customers is much smaller at DLR than at WDW. I doubt we will ever see anything like TGM for DLR.
 
So, my question for those who have been to both, what are the differences? Will my tricks work at WDW? Do I have to return during the window? Can I get another one within two hours? Can I get another one once the window has opened?

1. Fast pass works essentially the same. You can get your next one either when your return window opens or 2 hours, which ever comes first.
2. The only fast pass that is disconnected is Lights, Motorcars, Action.
3. DLR never rejects a late fast pass. WDW ALMOST never rejects a late fast pass.
4. Differences in what rides use fast pass will change your touring plans from DL to MK.
The biggest of these is Peter Pan and Pooh Use Fast Pass at MK and the Indy Speedway does not.
5. I believe there is less of a need at WDW to accumulate fast passes like one does at DLR.Several reasons.
a. Fewer attractions that build long lines but don't use fast pass in each park (the number one reason one would want to accumulate fast passes early.)
b. Sending a runner to Epcot to fast pass Soarin while you are in MK is not an option like it is at DLR with DCA and DL right next to each other.
c. Much longer walking distances involved in each park. At DL, taking that last detour over to Tomorrow Land to get Space Mountain in one more time costs very little shoe leather. Over at AK, taking that last detour back to the Safari again costs a lot more shoe leather. Let me digress a bit here. Shoe leather is much more a concern at WDW than at DLR. There is a saying at WDW and it has some basis in truth.
Day 1= Gung Ho
Day 2= Starting to feel it.
Day 3= The Wall.
Day 4 and beyond = numb.
d. A much greater number of attractions in a couple of WDW parks that are shows with set times. Can't fast pass those.
e. Shorter hours at 2 of the WDW parks that mean you don't go back for nap time and accumulate fast passes for the return (another huge reason to accumulate fast passes.)

6. At MK, the order of running out is usually this.
Splash Mountain and Peter Pan.
Then
Space Mountain and Pooh
Then
The rest.
7. Due to AK's shorter hours, fast passes there tend to run out very quickly.
Everest and the safari run out the quickest. Kali and Dinosaur next.
8. LMA is disconnected, at DS. But usually off except during the busiest times. We use fast pass the least here because the rides where we need it most, TOT and RNR, are up one end of the complex, So we tend to fast pass one of the big 2, ride the other. (sometimes twice), Then not return.
On other occasions we ride them from the off and never use a fast pass. There just isn't anything here that builds a ton and doesn't use fast pass to have to do early. And the big shows don't start up right away. The biggest thing here is to pay attention to your show times so as to get em all in.
9. At Epcot, Soarin and Test Track run out the quickest. The rest not as quickly.

The use of late fastpasses is a hot topic of debate at WDW. It is not generally accepted at WDW as it is in DL. Many have been refused entry into the fastpass queue if the return time has passed.

I am not sure what you mean or to whom you are referring to when you say generally accepted.
If you mean by the ride operators and such, to me, generally accepted would mean most of the time by most of the cms at most rides, but not all the time by all cms at all rides. It is my experience that they have never rejected a late one other than the three rides of Soarin, Everest, and Splash and on those three, that is fairly rare, but does happen. To me, generally accepted would apply here.

Are you referring to some on these boards? Well there are some that will never accept fast pass at all. Blaming those that use late fast passes is but the trigger to vent their frustrations upon. They don't want to get there early, can't take advantage of fast pass, and thus see it as unfair that others can. They see (without providing any evidence.) all those taking advantage of fast pass as the cause of their long lines. Who caused their long waits? Well they did. Fast Pass or no Fast Pass, waits are very much longer starting at about 11 am until about 1/2 hour before closing. So if they don't get there until 11, who is to blame? Well they are of course. I have no problems with sleeping in late. But they shouldn't seek to deny others the use of fast pass because of it. They had every opportunity to get up early and chose not to. Taking a late fast pass most of the time makes very little if any difference. I certainly have no problem with it. I also have no problem with Disney if they were to say sorry. No Can Do.

Many have been refused entry into the fastpass queue if the return time has passed.
Now that is true by many reports and Disney can enforce that at any time it wants to. But I'm not convinced that it is anything beyond a very seldom type thing.
 
QUOTE: Everyone who uses TGM agrees not to share his tips publicly. I suspect you did this inadvertently here, but you really shouldn't say things like this here.

You're right, it was very inadvertent. :sad2: I edited my post.

I will say that TGM has TONS of information. It is very worth the investment. Plus, he updates the information, so what's true today may not be true in six months and he lets you know that.
 
By the way, I almost forgot. For WDW, I like the Unofficial Guide for as well as their associated site that the powers that be here have decided they will not allow us to post its linky linky.
 
I will say that TGM has TONS of information. It is very worth the investment. Plus, he updates the information, so what's true today may not be true in six months and he lets you know that.

My favorite part of the tips he gives (as a WDW Vet) is what park you should go to on each day - and where you should go if you want to hop.

:)
 
My favorite part of the tips he gives (as a WDW Vet) is what park you should go to on each day - and where you should go if you want to hop.

:)


For me, when the parks will be so busy, this is the "trick"!
 


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