FP+ increasing the standby lines?

hedberg1661

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Anyone have any idea how FP+ is impacting the standby lines? I was there in December during the "test" and it didn't seem to have any real impact. However, this was early December "off-peak" so I don't think this is a true test of how well the system is working or not. I am posting this now thinking the spring break group will have some input but any and all comments are welcome!
 
Josh just posted #'s on easywdw.com

The biggest increase was at the more secondary attractions such as Pirates, HM, IASW etc...

It's worth a quick read.
 

What is not being taken into account is the park attendance on each day.

If park attendance is up then it is very likely all ride lines are too. Many people will not wait over and over again for a 90 minute ride when there are 20-30 minute rides available

What I have read is park attendance is up.
 
What is not being taken into account is the park attendance on each day.

If park attendance is up then it is very likely all ride lines are too. Many people will not wait over and over again for a 90 minute ride when there are 20-30 minute rides available

What I have read is park attendance is up.

Park attendance has been going up steadily each year; we've never heard of shifts in the lines like this before like slight decreases at headliners and large increases at secondary rides. I think this information says there's a new change, not just the same old change.
 
I agree I think park attendance is a huge factor in this. I also agree that folks won't wait 90 minutes continually for rides (minus the mine car ride once it opens). I think that the mine car ride may help MK somewhat as it should ease the lines at Splash, Space, Thunder mountains etc.
 
This is one thing that worries me about my May trip. I been looking at wait times daily and man are some of the secondary rides lines long! Pirates and HM were over an hour long yesterday afternoon.
 
This is one thing that worries me about my May trip. I been looking at wait times daily and man are some of the secondary rides lines long! Pirates and HM were over an hour long yesterday afternoon.

Right now is peak season though. According to your ticker, you'll be arriving May 8, and easyWDW has that week at 5s.
 
This is one thing that worries me about my May trip. I been looking at wait times daily and man are some of the secondary rides lines long! Pirates and HM were over an hour long yesterday afternoon.

I agree. I will be at WDW July 4th week. I can only imagine how this will change things.
 
I was there Jan 24-26 and then again Feb 21-23. Both of those trips the lines were crazy! I actually had to wait for TTA in MK. I am helping a friend out and going with her and her daughter March 26-29 and "For the First time" ever I can honestly say I am not looking forward to this. :sad2:

Its Sad because I love Disney and I try to find joy in other things while I am there. Is not all about the "rides". Stop Smell the Roses, Have a nice meal, relax by the pool, walk around the boardwalk................ Even then though you still want to hit up a few attractions. But then you see 20 mins wait for Imagination or a 35 min wait in the evening for Spaceship earth. You get discouraged and then sooner or later either you or the group you travel with will say "Is not worth it".

I do blame this FP+ system. A System designed to punish those Disney fans who are loyal and spend all day at a park or wake up for RD.
 
The purpose of FP+ is to reduce the number of people standing in line. A by product of this is that standby waits will be longer. The line may not be longer and there may not be as many people in it but the 'wait' for those people will be longer for that ride(but much shorter for their FP+ rides).

A good take on this. I think this also drives people to find other things to do. Disney must hope this means shop/eat etc. which all cost additional money. I am convinced the whole drive of this program was to increase revenue not enhance the guest experience. Very undisney of them.

Then again I could be wrong and they could add something we aren't thinking about to really enhance things for the guests.
 
What is not being taken into account is the park attendance on each day.

If park attendance is up then it is very likely all ride lines are too. Many people will not wait over and over again for a 90 minute ride when there are 20-30 minute rides available

What I have read is park attendance is up.

This is the key and why most everyone's opinion on this is just a guess (regardless of any first hand observations on a particular day). Logic says that standby on the top rides should go down and on lesser rides should go up as FP+ is redistributing the lines a bit.

But here's the wrinkle. Someone will make a comment such as "Well, I was at Space Mountain and the standby was 70 minutes and last year it was only 60 minutes so FP+ isn't helping standby times" That conclusion does not necessarily follow. If crowds are up, it could be that without FP+ the standby would have been 90 minutes. So while lines are longer than last year, we do not know whether they would have been even longer under the prior system.

By all accounts from postings on this board - overall crowds seem to be up so you're not comparing like days. There will be some conclusions that will be able to be drawn with loads of data eventually, but almost everything I've seen here (even the EasyWDW data) is making conclusions based on incomplete data. It's the best they can do with what they have (and EasyWDW has been the best one I've seen so far), but you still need to take everything with a grain of salt for now.
 
I'm back (one week now) standby lines were ridiculous, even given the rather heavy crowds. IASSW was 30-40 min by noon. Most attractions were 60 minutes, headliners were 70-90 min. TTA wound through the queue, out across the walkway, under the TTA track, where a CM held up a green flag marking the end of the line.
 
Standby lines are longer. One of the reasons is that there are more rides that accept FP+ than accepted FP-. It is unremarkable and non-controversial that when you add a FP option to an attraction, the people with FPs benefit, but the people in SB lines suffer. If you were a person who used to ride 20 rides in a day, 5 of them with FPs and 15 of them in SB lines, and now you have to ride 3 of them with FPs and 17 of them in SB lines, it is easy to see that you will be negatively impacted. If you were a person who did not use FP- and have been converted over to FP+, you will benefit.

FP lines are longer. The big reason here is the inability of the CMs to marry with the technolgy. In the past, a quick wave of the hand by "dad" with the FP tickets got his entire family of 6 into the FP return line in a nanosecond. Now, each person has to scan their Mickey and the failure rate (due to the system in some cases, but guest error in many others) is unacceptably high right now. Instead of getting waved through, CMs are (correctly) making people "try again. OK, now try again. This time, try turning your wrist a little like this. Wait. The Mickey has to re-set. Now try again. OK. You got the green light. Go ahead." I am not making that up. Happened over and over and over to people we were behind. (We used hard plastic tickets instead of MB and had no issues). So now, it might take a family of 6 between 30 seconds and a minute and a half to get through the first Mickey instead of one second. Doesn't sound like much, but when 12,000 people use the FP return line and only one out of 10 has a problem, things back up a lot. I have ridden EE probably 50 times with FPs. I never entered the FP queue outside of the covered entrance. On 2/15, I entered the FP return line outside of the building, clear over the bridge, at the Nemo theater. While the line moved fairly quickly, my timed wait was 23 minutes. That is much longer than any FP return line I have ever been in for EE. The same thing happened at the Safari, at Space Mountain, at BTMRR, at RnR and at ToT. FP return lines were running between 13-23 minutes. Not horrible. But longer than before.

As with the other thread, this one will probably devolve into discussions of earnings calls, increased shopping opportunities, and the ability of people to arrive in the afternoon at a park and utilize the benefits of FP whereas before they could not. All interesting discussions for a philosophy or economics class. But empirically and anecdotally, wait times are running a bit longer. This does not surface so much on light days. But on crowded days, it shows up in spades.
 
I'm back (one week now) standby lines were ridiculous, even given the rather heavy crowds. IASSW was 30-40 min by noon. Most attractions were 60 minutes, headliners were 70-90 min. TTA wound through the queue, out across the walkway, under the TTA track, where a CM held up a green flag marking the end of the line.

That really shocks me that there was a full fledged line for TTA. If that is the sign of things to come Disney is in major trouble.
 
That really shocks me that there was a full fledged line for TTA. If that is the sign of things to come Disney is in major trouble.

It shocks me that people were actually waiting in that line to ride the peoplemover. I mean we ride it occasionally but if there's a line, gonna keep on walking...
 
It shocks me that people were actually waiting in that line to ride the peoplemover. I mean we ride it occasionally but if there's a line, gonna keep on walking...

I agree. I love TTA but if there is a legit 20 min wait forget it.
 
That really shocks me that there was a full fledged line for TTA. If that is the sign of things to come Disney is in major trouble.

If there was a line there, that's actually a GOOD sign. It means that the crowd is spreading out across different attractions, rather than all crowding up for the few top ones.

If I had to guess, previously, the average visitor would only wait in line for one headliner....then they'd stand in line for a few of the secondarys....then they'd not even both with the "lesser attractions".

Those type of people will now get FP+'s for their secondary attractions, and then feel more relaxed to go on things they normally wouldn't.

Or put another way: If a ride never has a line, then a park should probably consider removing it because it means guests don't like it. If tweaking your current system draws people back to those attractions...its successful.
 


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