For those that use envelopes to budget....

minnie1928

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I'm looking to set my parents up on the "envelope" system. Mom, in particular, has a hard time sticking to a budget and I thought this might help her. I enrolled in a Dave Ramsey class, however it won't begin until mid-February and I would like to get her started down the right path before then.

For those of you that use this system, what expenses do you use it for? I was thinking groceries, gas, pocket money. Are there any other expenses? I'm looking for any and all tips you can provide!

Also, say you budget $100 for groceries and you spend $10. Do you put the $10 in savings or do you lower your budgeted draw for the next week (ie: only withdraw $90)? Just curious, I've never used this type of budget before and from what I've heard/read, I think this could really work for mom.

Thanks for all the great advice you've given me in the past!
 
I think that's great! I use a modified Dave Ramsey envelope system and it has really helped me keep on track for a budget. I have a grocery, gas, entertainment and savings. Any month I have extra left over I put in the emergency savings fund. I don't adjust my budget unless I didn't budget correctly and went way over having to borrow from savings. Good luck!!!
 
Okay, I assume from your posts that the envelope method is just using what you have in it for the beginning of each month and then when it's gone, you have to wait until next month to get more money. ?
 
mermaidwannabe said:
Okay, I assume from your posts that the envelope method is just using what you have in it for the beginning of each month and then when it's gone, you have to wait until next month to get more money. ?

That's what I understood it to mean, maybe not monthly but basically whatever timeframe you want to use. Idea being you have X amount of money and once it's gone....it's gone until the next time period. If that's not correct, someone please let me know!
 

minnie1928 said:
That's what I understood it to mean, maybe not monthly but basically whatever timeframe you want to use. Idea being you have X amount of money and once it's gone....it's gone until the next time period. If that's not correct, someone please let me know!

That's pretty much how I used to do it. Every payday (2 weeks), I would pull a set amount of cash out of the bank for my WAM (walking around money). The WAM had to cover groceries, lunches, bus fare and incidentals. When it was gone, that was it. There was no running to the ATM to get more.

Some people go so far as to use envelopes for all of their expenses. They'll actually figure out how much needs to be set aside each paycheck for car insurance, property taxes and emergency funds. Then they place that amount into the appropriate envelope. When the bill comes due, they remove the money from the envelope and either get a money order or deposit the cash in the bank in order to write the check. For me, that's too much cash just sitting around doing nothing. But for some, who may look at their bank balance and think SPEND!, this can be a great method.
 
If the envelope gets swept empty every time your Mom stays under buget, it might feel to her like there is no reward for careful spending. (It did to me!)

I started a sugar bowl or you could use a separate envelope where money now available because of wise spending was kept. I could go to the "sugar bowl" when something extra came up whether that extra was fun like coffee out with a friend, extra giving like to Tsunami relief, or even a bummer like a flat tire.

If the bowl accumulated lots of money I could choose to put it into savings.

When someone is just beginning to mangage money well. You gotta help them with their motivation.
 
Annsteere,
I think that is an excellent idea! We are starting on a new budget this year and I am going to take that idea. Right now, we are just in the figuring out stage and unfortunately DH spent waaaayyy more on gas in the first half of the month than I expected him to. (Not his fault--he drives 100 miles a day RT to work and back and the weather got COLD which in our old car means worse gas mileage!) Anway, the motivation factor sounds great!
 
There is a cool online envelope budgeting system at mvelopes.com It costs some $ to use but they will connect to your bank account and will let you apply all your bank transactions to the appropriate envelope. You can also link your credit card account to the system so each credit card transaction can be applied to the right envelope. Super easy to set up. Super secure too.

-ceburto2
 
What are you saying that there is actually a site or someone who has thought of this? This is something I have been doing for years. I need to go and check it out - curious to see what they are doing and if it is close to what I do. I find it interesting. My dh is always telling me you should write it in a column/paper. Does this Ramsey have a website? I know for what I do, you really need to be disciplined. Going exploring.
 
yes he has a website. daveramsey dot com. It's a great site. We started the envelope system this month and so far so good!!
 
I need help.:(

Last week, I had to replace my debit card. While I was waiting for the new one to arrive, I realized I felt so naked without it! I THOUGHT felt safer having it in case of an emergency & needing the extra cash in my account. (I live in NYC & may need access to it RIGHT AWAY in case of a terrorist attack. I don't want to walk around with a lot of actual cash, if unnecessary. And I don't want to leave an emergency stash at home in case I can't make it home right away. People were immediately shunted to NJ overnite, who were down at the WTC on 9/11, when it happened.)

But IN REALITY, I use it to pay for almost everything, to the point sometimes I have spent most of my rent money, if it's already deposited in the account.:( Last week made me realize how much money I will actually spend (& save,) if a set amount is all I have on me for the week. (Like the old days before debit cards! LOL)

I've been using a modified version of an envelope system. I try to not deposit my paychecks until absolutely necessary. I save them, labeled in envelopes. So the rent money is safe as long as I don't deposit it right before writing out a check.

But this causes two problems that I can see. As long as the money is in someone else's account for extra weeks, they are making interest on it, instead of me. And, two: since the paychecks are in a set amount, I may end up depositing more than I need. Knowing I have X amount of extra money in my account, that's when the debit card comes out & I spend like crazy. :rolleyes:

Suggestions please!
 
Imzadi

We used to do the same thing, see the balance in our checking account and think we could spend it without thinking. After fooling around with a few different methods, this is the one that works the best for us. For a little backround, I'll explain how I came up with our budget first.

First, I made a list of all expenses that I knew would come in each month (mortgage, utilities, phones, insurance, car payments, kids lessons, etc.) and added them. I estimated when needed and figured in a little extra on some things that are prone to increase within the year. This total, I multiplied by 12.

Next, I added up all the expenses that occur only a few times a year- license and registration renewals for the car, sewer bills, school fees- anything that you know pops up, but not on a monthly basis.

I added the second total to the first one that was multiplied by 12 to come up with a yearly amount that we NEED just for HOUSEHOLD BILLS. We get paid bi-weekly, so I divided this yearly amount by 26. That is the amount that must come out of each check for the HOUSEHOLD BILLS.

Next, I estimated how much we would need each *year* for other important expenses- Doctor, Rx and Vet bills is the main thing for us. I divided this estimate by 26, also and that amount is what we put aside each paycheck just for MEDICAL.

Now, here is the part that is my equivalent to the envelope system.

Instead of using the regular checkbook register, I bought a 4 column accounting book at an office store. The first column is for the HOUSEHOLD. I wrote the amount needed for these bills at the top, and that is what gets put into this column each check.

The second column is for MEDICAL. I do the same as above and put the needed amount in that column each payday.

Anything left over goes into the third column and the fourth is the total.

It really isn't confusing. For example- You need $1000 for house bills, $200 for Medical. If your check is $1500, $1000 goes in the first, $200 in the second and the remaining $300 in the 3rd. You add the total $1500 on the 4th line.

That 3rd line is the important one!!! That is the leftover money for SPENDING. Out of this, you can take cash out for groceries or put aside money for vacations. This is where we get money for new clothes or haircuts or a dinner out. Once you know that your important bills are covered, the rest is up to you to use as you want/need.

I was never disciplined until I started using this method. Now I know when that column is almost to 0, that's all there is to spend. This is the money I can take from and put into savings for Christmas or Vacation or whatever other special thing that we might want it for.

The checking account balance looks impressive, but I know we can't just go spending it like we used to. The GREAT part is, the money is there when we need it- no struggling to figure out which bill to pay first and which one to send late. The money put aside for medical gives me peace of mind. If one of the kids gets sick, we don't have to put off paying another bill in order to pay for an expensive prescription. When the dog needs her shots and meds, the money is there. That really helps keep me focused and motivated to not dip into those funds.
I think of that money as already spent- those bills will come in no matter what.

The only other thing that helps keep me organized with our bills is a calendar. I usually buy one at the dollar store (if the Vets don't send me a free one) and as the bills come in, I write the name and amount on the day it is due. Every payday, I can look at a glance and know which bills need to be paid. It also helps at the end of the year when you need to look at your numbers and possibly readjust the amount put in each column because of an increase in a particular bill or two.


Sorry this is so long- I hope this helps someone as much as it has helped me.
 
I do something very similar in Quicken. We've been Quicken addicts for 10+ years and I have it set up that every month it sweeps $X "out" of my checking account in to my "insurance" account. Now this is just symantecs because the money sits in the same checking account, regardless of what I call it in Quicken. But it works for me.

I also key in bills to Quicken as soon as I get them to coincide with our next paycheck. That way I know what I owe to whom and when I will be paying them. Also, then I'm only writing checks 2 times/month.

I'm trying to do this with mom's finances, but for the cash aspect of things (groceries, gas, etc) I'm going to use the envelope system. This way every paycheck I can issue mom her money, and know exactly how much is left in her checking account to pay down her debt and fund her savings account.

Keep the ideas coming and thanks to everyone!
 
Wow. Thanks for the ideas. I really am determined to get my finances in order this year!!! Great ideas everyone!!!
 
I do something very similar to some others but the difference is that I have several checking accts. and put everything in it's own acct. I work at a bank and can have as many accts. as I want and get free checks for all of them too so that is why this works for me.

What I do is I have an acct. that I call my yearly acct. I took the amount of our yearly bills such as car ins., yearly garbage bill, license renewal, life ins., house ins. etc. I take these and add them up and divide by 24 which is the number of paychecks we have a year. That amount is the amount I put into that acct. every pay day.

Then I have a monthly acct. I put the average amount of the monthly bills. Some of course are the exact same every month others vary but I always go back of the year and add up all 12 bills and get an average. So in this one I have our house payment, phone, water, cable, car payments, electric. etc. this one is also divided and put into that acct.

Now when ever I go to pay any of these bills I know I have the money so when it is time to pay an insurance bill it is there already and in the right acct. so I just write a check out of whichever acct. it falls in. I also have a x-mas club acct. that I put money into every paycheck. So I am really good about some bills.

BUT:
I will say that I have always said I am going to do this with our medical but I never do! Also things like school registration and such but instead I am just usually more broke when someone is sick and I have any of those bills. I also wish I could budget better on the grocery bill!! And just make that 2 week paycheck spread out more evenly but instead of taking the extra money we have for spending for 2 weeks and dividing it down the middle we do more of a 60/40 or even a 65/35! In other words we blow all of our spending cash the 1st week and then are living tight the 2nd week!

But at least the bills are paid!!
 


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