For those expecting big changes from the rule changes

salmoneous

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This is just one person's random thoughts. And while my thoughts are different from some of those posted by others, please don't take this as an argument - just a difference of opinion.

The general consensus is that recent changes are a big deal. Furthermore, there's an option that the changes will help solve the problem of popular weeks being hard to reserve. I disagree.

Taking a total WAG, I suspect that less that 0.1% of members used more than one transfer last year. And less than 0.1% of reservations were by people Disney will judge to be exhibiting a pattern of renting for profit. The vast majority of reservations and members will be unaffected.

Furthermore, I don't think the rental market is driving the difficulties of getting some reservations. I think the reservation "problem" is simply the marketplace growing to understand that some reservations are more desirable than others.

There are two pieces to the desirability problem. First, the points/night rates are out of wack. To have a smooth system, you want each reservation to be equally desirable. More popular times should be priced higher than less desirable times. But we know demand hasn't been equalized. Early December, F&W etc. are clearly more desirable reservations that other times, for instance. Now, I don't know if it's worthwhile to try and adjust things to get rid of the excess demand. But if Disney doesn't adjust, you are going to have excess demand which leads to shortages. However, I believe this to be only a small piece of the problem.

The real problem is unequal demand between resorts. Now, I don't want to get into any arguments about whose resort is better than whose. Each of the resorts has their fans. But in total, the marketplace is clearly drawing distinctions between the resorts.

Whether we like it or not, whether it is fair or not, the market is setting the price of an BCV "point" to be at least 20% more than a OKW "point". As long as that price differential holds up, and certainly if it gets any worse, the whole DVC resort-sharing system is going to break down.

99% of the difference between a BCV point and an OKW point is the 11 month window. At this point, why would anybody buy BCV points if they aren't planning on using that window? And existing BCV owners who don't use the window have got to be temped to sell their points - either buying cheaper points or points at a resort where they will use the window. The temptation will only get stronger as the differential grows.

Eventually, you're going to end up with most BCV points being used fro BCV rentals during the 11-month window. There just won't be reservations left for non-BCV owners. You could see similar breakdowns with other resorts. Is that where we are headed?
 
BCV from day one was a hard reservation to get without BCV points. probably more non-member stay at OKW than BCV - it is cheaper and many people happen to love OKW.

BCV has always been the most popular of the DVC resorts. I don't think anything has changed.

as far as changing the points and making Dec and Thanksgiving harder - well a couple of years ago DVC had it chance. they let it go.

I am not expecting them to ever go back and change the point system now.

Disney does not like complaints - can you imagne the complaints of over 100,000 DVC members.....
 
First of all, very well said.
salmoneous said:
Eventually, you're going to end up with most BCV points being used fro BCV rentals during the 11-month window. There just won't be reservations left for non-BCV owners. You could see similar breakdowns with other resorts. Is that where we are headed?
I think you may be right, but I don't see that as a bad thing. That's a good thing for owners of the smaller resorts like BCV and VWL. If ressies are tight, they should get them, not those of us who own at other resorts.

One thing Disney obviously needs to do is find a way to stop the illegitimate "morphing" of points by owners of those resorts who transfer points from other resorts into their accounts. That would at least limit the 11 month window to legitimate points holders. I am hoping this new transfer rule is just a stop-gap measure until they fix the gaping hole in their system.

The only thing I can see having a negative effect on the owners of the smaller resorts is a judgement by DVC that limited availability in the seven month windows mandates a change in the booking windows -- not because of my problems getting into BCV, but because it impacts their sales at SSR, EP, Contemp, or whereever. I'd hate to see them do that, because I think the current configuration works well, but they do have the ability to make changes like that.
 
It won't matter much to me: We're guaranteed a one month advantage, and since I always make my reservations 11 months prior, I really couldn't care less whether other folks get a crack at BWV and VWL 7 months prior or 10 months prior.
 

salmoneous said:
There are two pieces to the desirability problem. First, the points/night rates are out of wack. To have a smooth system, you want each reservation to be equally desirable. More popular times should be priced higher than less desirable times. But we know demand hasn't been equalized. Early December, F&W etc. are clearly more desirable reservations that other times, for instance. Now, I don't know if it's worthwhile to try and adjust things to get rid of the excess demand. But if Disney doesn't adjust, you are going to have excess demand which leads to shortages. However, I believe this to be only a small piece of the problem.
But Disney created that demand by making it less expensive (points wise) to stay at WDW at a time that would otherwise be very slow for WDW. Given that lots of people travel at Thanksgiving and Christmas, not too many people want to go anywhere during that time in between. Disney created the demand by putting up the decorations and making the points cost low. I can't see them deciding that it has become too popular and should be made more expensive. Yes they would open up availability, but that is not what they want to do for early December.

I think they must be delighted that DVC sells out for that time period every year. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
 
bicker said:
It won't matter much to me: We're guaranteed a one month advantage, and since I always make my reservations 11 months prior, I really couldn't care less whether other folks get a crack at BWV and VWL 7 months prior or 10 months prior.
Agree 100% with this statement.
 
don't worry, once the contemporary resort opens up, I will bet that that becomes the prime location.....

the BCV will open up a bit.... ( a very little bit)
 







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