? for our African American members

The oldest relative we traced back in our family tree was English (with a name like Lancaster, thats no real surprise). I guess that makes me an English-American. Good thing I wasnt born 230 years ago, I would have been at war with myself :rotfl2: .
 
cheerful chickadee said:
DH hates the term African American, he is black and will say he's black when having to answer any kind of race type question on forms or etc. It leaves too much room for variations, example: Charlize Theron who is techincally also African American but not black. That seems to confuse some people. In the famous words of my black DH "My ancestors came from Africa but I've never been to Africa and never plan on going there so why do I have to be African-American? I'm black, you're white, let's move on."
Tell your DH that I love him!!!!!! :love: ;)

I think we all try to be so PC that we end up being ridiculous and make more of an issue of things than if we just said it like it is.

Not that I am trying to stick up for Chad, because God knows he's a little "weak" in the tact department, but I wonder if he meant that many of the black folks here have never been to Africa, weren't born in Africa, may not know much about Africa. Just like I, by ancestry, am Irish/Yugoslavian. I have visted Ireland as a tourist, but I have never been to Yugoslavia, it is truly not part of my "life experience" so to speak. I am, in all ways, American, whether I am black, white or green with pink polka dots. If my ancestry country is not truly a "part" of whom I am, if it has had no direct influence on the person I am today, then should it be such a focal point in a description of me???

Plus, I work with black women who hail from Jamaica and they get mad when you call them African-American, because they do not consider themselves African, they consider themselves Jamaican.

Calling someone black is a description, not an insult. Just like calling me white is a description, not an insult.
 
Marseeya said:
Now, if they'd only come up with a good PC term for fat person. :rolleyes1
Metabolically challenged
Gravitationally Impaired
:p
 
WDWHound said:
Good thing I wasnt born 230 years ago, I would have been at war with myself :rotfl2: .

:rotfl: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl:

You know what, I'm having a ROUGH couple of days! :guilty: I needed that laugh!! Thank you! 'K I have to go now and clean the milk from my cereal off of my monitor that I spit on there from laughing! :p :rolleyes:
 

I will say either. If I think it might offend them to call them black, I say african american, and vice versa. :confused3 I like the chocolate idea, lol.

I am not even going to comment on what Chad said, It might get me banned.
 
Disney Doll said:
Tell your DH that I love him!!!!!! :love: ;)
lol no way! he's all mine! j/k!

I also like the vanilla, chocolate references, my ds(9) uses them too. He calls himself milk chocolate or caramel :)
 
bgirldeb said:
I like to look at it from a child's eyes. When DS was describing a friend at school, he said he was "brown" just as he would say I have dark brown hair and blue eyes. Its just a physical attribute to them. Too bad it couldn't be like that for everybody.

My son used to call himself "brown" and me "pink" :)
 
cheerful chickadee said:
lol no way! he's all mine! j/k!

I also like the vanilla, chocolate references, my ds(9) uses them too. He calls himself milk chocolate or caramel :)
Your son is adorable!!
 
I think the next time I'm asked for my race on some Governemnt form, I will put down "Plaid". That aught to keep em guessing for a while.
 
My FIL's girlfriend is 72 years old and black...she calls herself Afro-American. :rotfl: For some reason that always makes me want to laugh :goodvibes Gotta love her...

ReneeA
 
WDWHound said:
I think the next time I'm asked for my race on some Governemnt form, I will put down "Plaid". That aught to keep em guessing for a while.

I got dibs on "striped."
 
Shugardrawers said:
Oprah mentioned just yesterday that there is a lot of racism within the black community but didn't really go into it. Not having experienced that I don't understand. Can you enlighten me?

http://condor.depaul.edu/~mwilson/extra/women/nealwil.htm - Clinical Journal article

And Oprah Winfrey, in an interview, describes the surprise and shock exhibited by "vanillas," her term for light-skinned, long-haired caucasoid-featured girls, when she, a "fudge" child, won the Miss Black Tennessee pageant (Edwards, 1986). Ms. Winfrey states that she was as shocked as they were, as she did not expect to win.

Rose Browne additionally relates in her autobiography that the choral director at a major Black college always selected light- over dark-skinned female singers (Browne & English, 1969). The issue of Black women's skin color and features, particularly hair, even appeared in Spike Lee's recent movie "School Daze."

Although attitudes and opinions about Black female physical attractiveness have evolved over the decades, it would appear that concerns about skin color and features have changed very little (Gwaltney, 1980; Okazawa-Rey et al., 1986; Johnson, 1988; Walker, 1984). Several women interviewed as part of Gwaltney's (1980) sociological study specifically commented on the difficulties growing up either too light or dark.

An older woman in Gwaltney's study summed it up succinctly, "Too many black folks are fools about color and hair" (p. 80).
 
WDWHound said:
I think the next time I'm asked for my race on some Governemnt form, I will put down "Plaid". That aught to keep em guessing for a while.
can I be "polka dot"? :cool1:
 
Shugardrawers said:
Oprah mentioned just yesterday that there is a lot of racism within the black community but didn't really go into it. Not having experienced that I don't understand. Can you enlighten me?

Here's part of a Duke law school treatise on color and the law:

2. Colorism Within the Black Community. In the post-Civil War era, skin color differences continued to play an important role within the Black community, as elite mulattoes121 sought to maintain the privileged status they had acquired during slavery. In order to distinguish themselves from the darker-skinned masses, these mulattoes established separate communities in which skin color served as the key to access.

Mulattoes formed exclusive social clubs, like the Blue Vein Society of Nashville,122 and created separate churches.123 In the former, admission was based upon whether an applicant's skin color was light enough for the veins in the wrist to be visible.124

In the latter, the paper bag test was sometimes employed to determine admissibility. Under that test, persons seeking to join a [*pg 1516] color-conscious congregation were required to place their arm inside of a brown paper bag and could attend church services only if the skin on their arm was lighter than the color of the bag.125

Mulattoes also lived in separate residential communities like the Chatham and East Hyde Park sections of Chicago, and the Striver's Row and Sugar Hill areas of New York, which were known to be populated by light-skinned professionals.126 In addition, mulattoes formed separate professional and business associations.127

One of the most important areas in which mulattoes received superior treatment to darker-skinned Blacks was in education. Mulattoes formed preparatory schools and colleges that denied access to persons who were too dark.128 Many historically Black colleges and universities established in the nineteenth century also discriminated on the basis of color in their admissions process.129

Not only were educational institutions segregated by color, but their curricula differed as well. In schools attended by mulattoes, students received a liberal arts education. By contrast, darker-skinned Blacks were taught in schools and programs that focused primarily on vocational learning.130 This focus on training in practical skills reinforced the placement of darker-skinned Blacks into lower-paying, less-skilled positions.

Thus, at the turn of the century, the class of successful Blacks was largely comprised of the visibly-mixed population. These differences were reflected in the leadership of the Black community, where mulatto elites also dominated the intellectual and political life.131 Indeed, [*pg 1517] of the twenty-one men and two women among W.E.B. Du Bois's Talented Tenth,132 all were mulatto save one.133

Although the mulatto elite were generally in a higher socioeconomic class than unmixed Blacks due to their historically favored status,134 they were nonetheless rejected by the White community because of their Black blood.135 In addition, their lighter skin and better socioeconomic status spawned resentment within the Black community.136

Some of this resentment may have been fueled by the practice of passing, whereby light-skinned Blacks who looked sufficiently White would conceal their Black ancestry and pretend to be White.137 For the most part, however, the mulatto elite was admired by Blacks [*pg 1518] and, throughout the early part of the twentieth century the bond among Blacks of all skin tones grew.138
 
WOW! I never knew! Thanks Arminnie. I've never thought about it but the black doctors at my clinic are light skinned as are most of the professionals I deal with in other areas. Seems to me that your own community needs to unify before you can fight racisim in the community at large.
 
Just thought I'd add something here about how kids see other people. My 7 yr old son is getting a new teacher this monday (his other teacher moved to a special ed class that the teacher was retiring from). Anyhow, last wednesday he told me his new teacher came into the class to meet them. I asked him what she looked like, thinking tall, short, black , white, young, old.... Guess what he said??? She has smooth skin!!! Is that precious or what!!!
 
My children call themselves "Brown" because of their skin color.. and it's our last name too!
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Ok, so that we don't have to reference any more articles :flower: , yes there is color discrimination/biases withing the black/colored/AA/negro community. It existed years ago and still remains. Light skinned (or fair) people of color, especially those with fine/straight hair were/are many times perceived as not being "truly" black/AA/colored/negro. It has a lot to do with "looking white". The term "high yellow" is thrown around when referring to fair /light skinned peope of color. I have a friend (dark skinned) who feels that the fair skinned people think that they are better than everyone else. This isn't something that we like to discuss in mixed company, but I put it out there. Now referring to the OP's question, I say all of the above. I feel that they have all made up our culture (in a positive way) so i refer to all of them at different times. If I'm talking about how my daughter is the only one of color in a certain situation, I may refer to her as colored in my conversation about the situation. If I'm talking about a group of people that are all black, I would say that. If I feel that there is a situation that leads me to believe that there were some racism involved, I may use the term negro. And for my friends who are pc, I may use AA out of respect for them. I would expect that different people would refer to me by all of these as well. Very old white/caucasion/non-colored people have used negro. Children thru adults have used black/AA. And some friends my age and older sometimes use colored to make a specific point. Just don't call me ******, and we're ok.
 
*Fantasia*, you kids are such cuties, I love the new pics!!!!!!! :)
 


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