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Originally posted by Therapeutic Smile
100 %, absoultely, positively, completely and with a whole heart agree. Part of being an American is not only being politically aware, but having conviction in one's opinions. Another part is being able to separate people from policy and being able to see a debate for what it is, which among other things, is not the definition of a man (or woman, of course).
dmadman, if we were to ever meet in the Adventurer's Club, I'd buy you a drink. We'd enjoy our drinks over healthy discourse, for certain.
You're on.
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That is so interesting! the "Perfect" war is that anything like The "Perfect" Storm? So perfect in all it's extreme destructive capacity, and ugliness?
It really makes one wonder about human nature. If you look at it on a philosophical level.People are so stupid, why can't they realize how stupid they are?
Okay, I'm starting to get annoyed again, pass the brownies!
Welcome, to the friendly new people!
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Well I think I wore out my welcome at the Bush Supporters Thread just trying to get some answers on public assistance. It all started out innocently but then I felt the need to stick around and defend my position.
I'm exhausted - gotta tell ya.
~Amanda
I'm exhausted - gotta tell ya.
~Amanda
Faithinkarma, I just had to had my best wishes for your great news. You will really have reason to be extra thankful this Thanksgiving.
Wanted to say thanks to everyone on this thread. Some of these other threads have been really depressing me lately with the rancor and attitude. I'm really trying to stay away from them and I do so appreciate the upbeat discussions going on in this thread without fear of attack. I, personally, welcome Bush lurkers and supporters here as long as the civility and humor of this thread is respected.
As dmadman said, if we all ran into each other in a bar and started talking Disney instead of politics, I'm sure there would be a lot of comraderie.
Carry on.......
Wanted to say thanks to everyone on this thread. Some of these other threads have been really depressing me lately with the rancor and attitude. I'm really trying to stay away from them and I do so appreciate the upbeat discussions going on in this thread without fear of attack. I, personally, welcome Bush lurkers and supporters here as long as the civility and humor of this thread is respected.
As dmadman said, if we all ran into each other in a bar and started talking Disney instead of politics, I'm sure there would be a lot of comraderie.
Carry on.......
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Well, nice to see you! I haven't read that thread. lately You mean that you are a Bush supporter and they are picking on you? Why would they do that?
Well, you are welcome over here any time!
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Ok, I'm thinking of changing my User ID to Alice B. Toklas. Although I'm straight I'm not narrow and I bake a helluva good brownie! What do you think?
I think Alice Brock might be too obscure - "You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant!."
I think Alice Brock might be too obscure - "You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant!."
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I'm not a Bush Supporter - right now I'm voting for Kerry but as I was trying to explain I'm really more in the middle. I was trying to get some explanantions on Republican stance on public assistance and I think I wore out my welcome. LOL!
I usually just lurk here on this thread because I'm not as adamant about the war mistakes as others. The biggest reason I'm voting for Kerry is that I don't want Bush to be in a position to select Supreme Court Members.
~Amanda
I usually just lurk here on this thread because I'm not as adamant about the war mistakes as others. The biggest reason I'm voting for Kerry is that I don't want Bush to be in a position to select Supreme Court Members.
~Amanda
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Don't feel alone. You are most definitely not. In fact, I believe you represent a sizeable segment of the population. I personally know ( IRL ) people who voted for Bush in 2000 and very much regret doing so. They have been impatiently waiting for this election. They are registered republicans and very private about their views. ( come to think of it, I don't actually know any democrats.....how bizarre ) They were made afraid of being vocal by the whole " if you are not with us you are a traitor " garbage. And have told me that, if polled, they would claim to be voting for Bush. They are just one of the reasons I am completely confident of the outcome of this election.
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Howard Dean came to town yesterday and mainly encouraged people to get out the vote on Tuesday, stay focused, keep the energy high, and work hard for the rights of the middle class. He's a very good speaker and quite a smart man. Another speaker at the event was a local sportscaster from our Fox channel who said that he didn't care what his station thought about his politics because this election was too important to keep quiet about. Of course, he's supporting Kerry.
One funny thing that Governor Dean said about flu shots was that Dick Cheney reminded him of George Castanza in the Seinfeld episode where the fire alarm went off and George pushed the kids and elderly out of the way to make it to the door first. Of course, Cheney has a heart condition but how many others with heart conditions didn't get their shots or waited in line for hours to receive it.
One funny thing that Governor Dean said about flu shots was that Dick Cheney reminded him of George Castanza in the Seinfeld episode where the fire alarm went off and George pushed the kids and elderly out of the way to make it to the door first. Of course, Cheney has a heart condition but how many others with heart conditions didn't get their shots or waited in line for hours to receive it.
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We also went to see Michael Moore at Fairmont College in WV. Some Bush protestors were outside demonstrating, and they were showing Fahrenhype 9-11 on the side of the building, which I thought was rather clever. And one Bush group was yelling, "Nazi's for Bush." --not so clever. They must be a fringe group.
Michael Moore has made some 30 second parody commercial spots that I'll try to find.
Michael Moore has made some 30 second parody commercial spots that I'll try to find.
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I was thinking about that this morning. If Bush wins this year, he will have no restraint since he is not able to run for election again. I wonder how many moderate Republicans will wind up regretting voting for him if that happens.
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...8oct28,0,2965569.story?coll=sfla-news-broward
Broward to resend thousands of missing absentee ballots
By Scott Wyman & Jean-Paul Renaud
Staff writers
Posted October 28 2004
Hoping to avoid another presidential election fiasco, Broward County officials scrambled Wednesday to replace tens of thousands of missing absentee ballots, cut long waits for early voting and beef up a phone system deluged with calls from angry voters.
A day after acknowledging that up to 58,000 absentee ballots have not reached the voters who requested them, Elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes decided to mail new ones. She will pay extra for overnight delivery of those sent outside Broward in hopes of ensuring voters can return them before Tuesday's deadline.
County commissioners also assigned 40 employees to help answer phone calls at Snipes' office and process people in line at early voting sites. More workers could soon follow as Snipes contemplates extending early voting hours and upgrades her phone system to add more lines.
Some of the problems have plagued other Broward elections over the past four years. Long lines of frustrated voters were common in the 2000 and 2002 elections, while 268 absentee ballots were misplaced during the September 2002 primary.
A calm and collected Snipes defended her election preparations. She said voters should have confidence in the Nov. 2 balloting.
"There's been a whole lot of partisanship about the election, so everything that happens is magnified," she said. "But when we see something functioning like it shouldn't, we fix it immediately."
Not everyone agrees. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference called late Wednesday for Gov. Jeb Bush to suspend Snipes, a retired educator whom he appointed last year to replace Miriam Oliphant. The civil rights group charged that Snipes is making the same missteps that Bush cited in suspending Oliphant.
"I alerted them to these problems, only to be attacked for political reasons," said Oliphant, who lost the Democratic primary in August to Snipes. "I warned them about the poll workers, I warned them about the phones, and I warned them about the absentee ballots."
The breadth of the problems is putting Broward County again in the national spotlight it held during the 36-day recount in 2000.
State officials said the only complaints they've received about early voting have come from Broward and Palm Beach counties. A national hotline set up by a coalition of civil rights groups reports twice as many complaints about Broward than any other community.
Snipes said she first became aware absentee ballots were missing a week ago and has been working since to figure out what went wrong and fix it. Her staff thinks many of those missing were in the first batch of ballots mailed after the office began processing requests on Oct. 7.
Although there are about 58,000 ballots not accounted for, Snipes said many are actually in the hands of voters waiting to be mailed back and thus the problem will turn out to be much smaller.
She said that about 14,000 completed ballots arrived Wednesday and that others had been deposited in the office's drop-off box and at early voting locations. She estimated that she will resend no more than 20,000 ballots.
She pointed the finger at the U.S. Postal Service as the source of the mix-up. She said that all ballots are postmarked the day voters request them and that they are then are couriered to the post office's main facility in Fort Lauderdale for delivery.
But the Postal Service says it is not to blame. The agency said in a statement that special employees are assigned to handle all ballots and that those sent locally should arrive in one day.
The Florida Department of Law Enforcement launched an investigation into the missing ballots Wednesday but concluded there was no criminal wrongdoing. Postal inspectors also investigated and determined there had been no delays in the agency's handling of ballots.
Volunteers began helping Snipes' office package the ballots Wednesday evening. All should be mailed out by Friday morning at the latest but must be returned by the end of business Tuesday.
Officials argue that there is no conspiracy to prevent voting but said the number of people seeking to vote is overwhelming Broward's election machinery. Turnout is expected to top 70 percent, with almost 90,000 people already casting ballots at early voting sites and 127,000 requesting absentee ballots by mail.
Those waiting for ballots are expressing deep dissatisfaction with the handling of the election.
Linda Lemle-Goldberg said she requested a ballot in early October for her mother, who is homebound with Parkinson's disease in Pompano Beach, but has never received it. She said officials told her more than two weeks ago that it had been mailed and then promised to send another one, but it also has not arrived.
"I'm angry and frustrated and feel like crying," said Lemle-Goldberg, who said she will drive to Fort Lauderdale today to pick up her mother's ballot.
Murray Hirsh of the Century Village condo community in Pembroke Pines said he finally received in Wednesday's mail the absentee ballot he requested on Oct. 7. It was postmarked Oct. 19, meaning it took Snipes' office 12 days to process his request and the post office eight days to deliver it.
"Someone is trying to sabotage this election," Hirsh said.
Snipes said she will ask county officials for extra money to pay for the new mailing, but did not know how much the added expense will be. County Mayor Ilene Lieberman and other county commissioners said they are willing to give her additional money or staff to ensure the election is successful.
The county initially gave Snipes $2.9 million to cover the election's cost and bought her $3.2 million in new voting equipment as part of this year's budget. Commissioners also agreed to loan her 800 employees to help at the polls on Election Day.
"I'm tired of Broward being the laughingstock of the nation, and I want to get it right," said Commissioner Suzanne Gunzburger, who served on the vote canvassing board during the 2000 election dispute. "All voters need to be assured they can vote and that their vote will be counted. These people who applied for an absentee ballot want to vote."
Both the Republican and Democratic parties expressed concern, but the Democrats may have the most to lose because Broward is such a major base for the party. [Bolded by robinb]
Charles Lichtman, lead Florida attorney for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, met with Snipes and Lieberman on Wednesday afternoon and asked them to defer finding out what went wrong and concentrate on getting ballots to voters. County Commissioner Diana Wasserman-Rubin, a major player in Kerry's campaign, on the other hand, sought to downplay the missing ballots, fearful it could prompt some not to vote.
Absentee ballots traditionally are used heavily by Republicans, but Democrats mounted a major effort this year to get their supporters to vote early. To win the state, Kerry will need a heavy turnout in Broward to offset conservative areas in Northern and Central Florida.
"It's disturbing that we have the greatest voter interest in my lifetime, and people aren't getting their ballot," said Mitch Ceasar, chairman of the Broward County Democratic Party.
Staff writers Linda Kleindienst, Rafael Olmeda, Brittany Wallman and Buddy Nevins contributed to this report.
Broward to resend thousands of missing absentee ballots
By Scott Wyman & Jean-Paul Renaud
Staff writers
Posted October 28 2004
Hoping to avoid another presidential election fiasco, Broward County officials scrambled Wednesday to replace tens of thousands of missing absentee ballots, cut long waits for early voting and beef up a phone system deluged with calls from angry voters.
A day after acknowledging that up to 58,000 absentee ballots have not reached the voters who requested them, Elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes decided to mail new ones. She will pay extra for overnight delivery of those sent outside Broward in hopes of ensuring voters can return them before Tuesday's deadline.
County commissioners also assigned 40 employees to help answer phone calls at Snipes' office and process people in line at early voting sites. More workers could soon follow as Snipes contemplates extending early voting hours and upgrades her phone system to add more lines.
Some of the problems have plagued other Broward elections over the past four years. Long lines of frustrated voters were common in the 2000 and 2002 elections, while 268 absentee ballots were misplaced during the September 2002 primary.
A calm and collected Snipes defended her election preparations. She said voters should have confidence in the Nov. 2 balloting.
"There's been a whole lot of partisanship about the election, so everything that happens is magnified," she said. "But when we see something functioning like it shouldn't, we fix it immediately."
Not everyone agrees. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference called late Wednesday for Gov. Jeb Bush to suspend Snipes, a retired educator whom he appointed last year to replace Miriam Oliphant. The civil rights group charged that Snipes is making the same missteps that Bush cited in suspending Oliphant.
"I alerted them to these problems, only to be attacked for political reasons," said Oliphant, who lost the Democratic primary in August to Snipes. "I warned them about the poll workers, I warned them about the phones, and I warned them about the absentee ballots."
The breadth of the problems is putting Broward County again in the national spotlight it held during the 36-day recount in 2000.
State officials said the only complaints they've received about early voting have come from Broward and Palm Beach counties. A national hotline set up by a coalition of civil rights groups reports twice as many complaints about Broward than any other community.
Snipes said she first became aware absentee ballots were missing a week ago and has been working since to figure out what went wrong and fix it. Her staff thinks many of those missing were in the first batch of ballots mailed after the office began processing requests on Oct. 7.
Although there are about 58,000 ballots not accounted for, Snipes said many are actually in the hands of voters waiting to be mailed back and thus the problem will turn out to be much smaller.
She said that about 14,000 completed ballots arrived Wednesday and that others had been deposited in the office's drop-off box and at early voting locations. She estimated that she will resend no more than 20,000 ballots.
She pointed the finger at the U.S. Postal Service as the source of the mix-up. She said that all ballots are postmarked the day voters request them and that they are then are couriered to the post office's main facility in Fort Lauderdale for delivery.
But the Postal Service says it is not to blame. The agency said in a statement that special employees are assigned to handle all ballots and that those sent locally should arrive in one day.
The Florida Department of Law Enforcement launched an investigation into the missing ballots Wednesday but concluded there was no criminal wrongdoing. Postal inspectors also investigated and determined there had been no delays in the agency's handling of ballots.
Volunteers began helping Snipes' office package the ballots Wednesday evening. All should be mailed out by Friday morning at the latest but must be returned by the end of business Tuesday.
Officials argue that there is no conspiracy to prevent voting but said the number of people seeking to vote is overwhelming Broward's election machinery. Turnout is expected to top 70 percent, with almost 90,000 people already casting ballots at early voting sites and 127,000 requesting absentee ballots by mail.
Those waiting for ballots are expressing deep dissatisfaction with the handling of the election.
Linda Lemle-Goldberg said she requested a ballot in early October for her mother, who is homebound with Parkinson's disease in Pompano Beach, but has never received it. She said officials told her more than two weeks ago that it had been mailed and then promised to send another one, but it also has not arrived.
"I'm angry and frustrated and feel like crying," said Lemle-Goldberg, who said she will drive to Fort Lauderdale today to pick up her mother's ballot.
Murray Hirsh of the Century Village condo community in Pembroke Pines said he finally received in Wednesday's mail the absentee ballot he requested on Oct. 7. It was postmarked Oct. 19, meaning it took Snipes' office 12 days to process his request and the post office eight days to deliver it.
"Someone is trying to sabotage this election," Hirsh said.
Snipes said she will ask county officials for extra money to pay for the new mailing, but did not know how much the added expense will be. County Mayor Ilene Lieberman and other county commissioners said they are willing to give her additional money or staff to ensure the election is successful.
The county initially gave Snipes $2.9 million to cover the election's cost and bought her $3.2 million in new voting equipment as part of this year's budget. Commissioners also agreed to loan her 800 employees to help at the polls on Election Day.
"I'm tired of Broward being the laughingstock of the nation, and I want to get it right," said Commissioner Suzanne Gunzburger, who served on the vote canvassing board during the 2000 election dispute. "All voters need to be assured they can vote and that their vote will be counted. These people who applied for an absentee ballot want to vote."
Both the Republican and Democratic parties expressed concern, but the Democrats may have the most to lose because Broward is such a major base for the party. [Bolded by robinb]
Charles Lichtman, lead Florida attorney for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, met with Snipes and Lieberman on Wednesday afternoon and asked them to defer finding out what went wrong and concentrate on getting ballots to voters. County Commissioner Diana Wasserman-Rubin, a major player in Kerry's campaign, on the other hand, sought to downplay the missing ballots, fearful it could prompt some not to vote.
Absentee ballots traditionally are used heavily by Republicans, but Democrats mounted a major effort this year to get their supporters to vote early. To win the state, Kerry will need a heavy turnout in Broward to offset conservative areas in Northern and Central Florida.
"It's disturbing that we have the greatest voter interest in my lifetime, and people aren't getting their ballot," said Mitch Ceasar, chairman of the Broward County Democratic Party.
Staff writers Linda Kleindienst, Rafael Olmeda, Brittany Wallman and Buddy Nevins contributed to this report.
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Oh FIK, this is great news!
I am so happy for you! We really do have great doctors and hospitals. I hope Syracuse builds on this and we become a world-known city for our medical facilities. My neighbor moved here from Atlanta last year. Her 7 year old daughter has Cystic Fibrosis. She is thrilled with the treatment her daughter is getting.
Which reminds me. She told me that she saw a BBC special on how England has made some great advancements with stem cells and CF. Apparently the US wants nothing to do with it. If anyone wants the link, I'll get it.
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Edited to take out what could have started another debate with dmadman--seeing that we are all throwing pixie dust at each other and partying at Pleasure Island.
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Originally posted by crazyforgoofy
Actually I'm from what our two U.S.Senators call Miss-oor-UH!
You know the state where a dead man beat John Ashcroft for U.S. Senate.
Six days? I have GOT to get busy and find a new dealer, er I mean small business owner.
Hey CFG, I had to go to Branson on business a few years ago. I actually had a hard time finding a beer in that town.
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Good morning everyone!
I'm trying to keep things postive today and trying not to let the nasty *******s get me down.
The Red Sox won the world series, and not much could make the world brighter right now (aside from Kerry winning Tues)
I'm trying to keep things postive today and trying not to let the nasty *******s get me down.
The Red Sox won the world series, and not much could make the world brighter right now (aside from Kerry winning Tues)
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